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Title: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: Brian Fein on January 13, 2012, 04:48:12 pm
What do you think?


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: Dave Gray on January 13, 2012, 05:00:22 pm
I would've been OK with him, but I didn't want him specifically.  I was kinda "whatever".  My only concern is that we used to not lose out on coaches...we got our man.  Now, it seems that we're 2nd fiddle.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: Cathal on January 13, 2012, 05:01:00 pm
I dunno. I read some places where he's the guy we need and others say he's gonna be a bust here. Put me on the fence because I would have no idea how he would do here.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: el diablo on January 13, 2012, 05:13:09 pm
I'm more upset over the willingness to keep the one thing that's holding this team back. The GM. There's no way a proven coach would serve under the Ross/Ireland regime.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: MikeO on January 13, 2012, 05:24:20 pm
If Joe Philbin's son didn't die I wouldn't be upset, but with that probably taking him off the table. And if we hire him now that is just odd to be honest. This guy has to be a wreck and I would not hand over a football team to him right now.

We are left with either Bowles (oh god no) or Zimmer. Who seems like just a good assistant who has few ties to other quality assistants, it would be more on the job training with a rookie head coach and would struggle to put together a staff and such.

We have no interviews scheduled with anyone right now. Fisher has a staff assembled. Jax and KC are putting theirs together as we speak. All the good assistants will be gone by next week. Tampa Bay is interviewing everyone under the sun and will make a decision probably by Monday.

Who's left to interview? Brian Schotenimer? Chud? Or do you wait till the Packers or Saints lose and go after one of their guys in about a month month most likely?

There is literally nobody out there to talk too that will do much to inspire any confidence in anything


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on January 13, 2012, 05:24:40 pm
I was OK with Fisher and would be OK without him barring we got a decent coach in here. But if it comes down to some schmuck coordinator/first time head coach from another team or some loser coach like Mangini I would have much rather had Fisher.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: Pappy13 on January 13, 2012, 05:26:09 pm
Yes. I wanted a coach with NFL HC experience with at least some success. Fisher seemed to be the last one available that fit that discription. Now he's gone, so I guess we go with an unproven. I have too much of a bad taste in my mouth from the last 3 (or 4) unproven head coaches that Miami has had and not enough faith in Ross and Ireland to believe they'll find a decent one.

Fisher would have been decent. I'll take that after what we have had around here lately.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: CF DolFan on January 13, 2012, 06:08:09 pm
I would've been OK with him, but I didn't want him specifically.  I was kinda "whatever".  My only concern is that we used to not lose out on coaches...we got our man.  Now, it seems that we're 2nd fiddle.

Add in the fact I don't like that we kept Ireland and I feel the same way.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: MikeO on January 13, 2012, 06:09:13 pm
Names I would like to see them go after (not in any specific order)

Tom Clement in GB
Pete Carmichael in New Orleans
Rob Chudzinski Carolina


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: Thundergod on January 13, 2012, 06:10:43 pm
I'm more upset over the willingness to keep the one thing that's holding this team back. The GM. There's no way a proven coach would serve under the Ross/Ireland regime.
^^^
THIS

I would have been ok with Fisher, but deep down I had a feeling that it wasn't going to happen. Miami's gonna need a puppet coach as their next hire.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: tits muldoon on January 13, 2012, 06:33:39 pm
So Zimmer is the man? The Dallas losers pipeline continues goddamn was Fasano the best of that lot?  Why the blind allegiance to Ireland? it's getting as bad as Wanny & Fiedler. Would like to see them raid packers assistants I'm about 15 min. from G.B. it would be a nice change of pace. The NFL has become a offensive league about time we get a offensive minded regime in there. Chud or Saints guy would be OK as well. Billick would be nice but doubt he giving Dumbo back his 40 million.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: PhinNatic23 on January 13, 2012, 08:56:58 pm
As a huge all-in fan.  I'm upset with the seemingly lack of commitment to the fans by Ross.  You played Hokey-Pokey with Harbaugh, your in, your out, and it fell apart. All the while you managed to treat Sporano like trash, when it seemed he had rallied his team towards the end of the year, you fired him.  Now you tell us your going to make a big name splash in the coaching market, only to lose him with to your loyalty to Ireland.  C'mon man!  What are you holding onto?  7-9?  I'm tired of the Dolphins being 8-8.  Pull the God damned trigger on something!  Make the decision you said you wanted to make!  Dont Half ass everything. l I just hope Ireland was Worth it, I really do.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: tits muldoon on January 14, 2012, 01:40:12 am
NFL gm's are a dime a dozen most knowledgeable fans could do at least as good if not a better job than these clowns. Spielmann has resurfaced in Minnesota unbelievable that faggot is a complete moron it's all political ( round & round we go) as for Ireland Dallas has drafted better talent since he left with jerry's kid at the helm. Keeping him instead of getting a "respected" coach is insane. I hope we get lucky with a young offensive mind  but the whole damn city is soft (hey it's 80 & sunny every day) We need a cold calculated task master Sparano w/ a brain kinda of what Fisher is.  You have to wonder what the love affair w/ Ireland is all about? 3 straight losing seasons for the 1st. time in our history doesn't sound like a abundance of talent he's hit on 1 skill player in the draft VD ( he sticks with his man for life). The 3 "superstars" Bush,Marshall,& Dansby are all overrated overpaid prima-dona's..


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: Guru-In-Vegas on January 14, 2012, 02:59:59 am
I was cool with him coming here since I saw what positives he could have brought us but at the same time I'm cool with him not coming here since I can see the negatives. 

So I guess I really don't care since it's more of a "meh" sentiment.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: Frimp on January 14, 2012, 08:28:33 am
I didnt want him. At this point, I say give it to Bowles


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: MikeO on January 14, 2012, 10:46:01 am
I didnt want him. At this point, I say give it to Bowles

Bowles is a poor mans Jim Caldwell. No way in hell. Never been a coordinator either, we just went through that with Sparano. Too big a jump

If you want aggressive coach, Mike Zimmer and let him hire a bright offensive coordinator. My top 2 guys right now would be Pete Carmichael in New Orleans or Chud in Carolina


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: Alwaysdullfan on January 14, 2012, 03:57:44 pm
Its gonna be hard to find anyone that wants to coach in Miami, with Ireland at GM. Are u kidding me, this guy has made so many bad decisions if Ross decided to fire Tony, which I think was an OK coach, then Ireland should of been fired right with him. So far he hasnt done anything good, both the owner and GM. Im afraid no one will wanna play for this GM and they'll just end up pretty much buying someone and bed them to coach there. A lot of coaches like to have more power so with poop like Jeff Ireland at GM I think it'll be hard for anyone to have a good realationship with him.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: el diablo on January 14, 2012, 06:29:08 pm
Bowles is a poor mans Jim Caldwell.

So, Caldwell was a rich man's Bowles. Child, please. To go 2-1, having never been a coordinator shows promise.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: Landshark on January 15, 2012, 07:02:01 am
So, Caldwell was a rich man's Bowles. Child, please. To go 2-1, having never been a coordinator shows promise.

You can't really measure a coach by the way he performs as an interim.  This team had a spark of life when Sparano was fired, kinda like the 2004 team had a spark when Wannstedt was fired and Bates took over.  It's a lot different when you have the interim tag removed and you have an entire offseason to prepare.  Look what happened with Leslie Frazier in Minnesota.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: MikeO on January 15, 2012, 08:35:00 am
You can't really measure a coach by the way he performs as an interim.  This team had a spark of life when Sparano was fired, kinda like the 2004 team had a spark when Wannstedt was fired and Bates took over.  It's a lot different when you have the interim tag removed and you have an entire offseason to prepare.  Look what happened with Leslie Frazier in Minnesota.

I totally agree. And look at Dallas with Garrett

Bowles has never been a coordinator before. Coaching a team in 3 meaningless games at the end of the year doesn't prepare you for this job I'm sorry. Plus the loss vs New England isn't a star on his resume, his team blew a 17-0 lead in a game they were totally dominating.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: dolfan13 on January 15, 2012, 10:45:12 am
the concern now has to be not only a head coach with no head coaching experience, but an entire staff that has little experience.

everyone learning on the job...


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: hordman on January 15, 2012, 11:54:10 am
Hell NO!!!!!!!!!!

We're getting upset about a coach that had 6, count them, 6 winning seasons out of 16 years!!!!

My friend that's .0375 percentage. 

I respect Fisher, I like him, and his teams were always a tough play (he was 3-6 lifetime against the Phins).  BUT, he's a retread and I don't want someone who's been down the path already, hungry and & eager to win, but wants to come back for the big $$$.  I call bullshit.

I want a young coordinator, from some team that he's shown promise and innovation and can bring that the Phins & et some excitement back to SoFla.  I don't care what his background is, who coached under, what his NFL lineage is......I just want him to bring that winning attitude to MIA.

Fisher would have brought stability, no doubt, but that would be it.  He's not hungry and in this day of age, you got to have that in the NFL.  he's not ready for a challenge.  He's look for some nice cash flow, some love from the fans and more security.

Nor sorry he didn't get the job.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: masterfins on January 15, 2012, 05:58:35 pm
Actually it's 37.5% or .375.  Still I see your point.  It's just that everyone seems to think Fisher was the top coaching prospect this year.  At least he has a record to hang his hat on.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: Brian Fein on January 16, 2012, 12:24:41 am
The good thing about Bowles - you can probably make a good play to keep Nolan and Daboll.

I'm in favor of that...


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: Brian on January 16, 2012, 03:04:26 am
Just hire bowles. If it doesn't work out we'll fire him after a couple years and move on


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: MikeO on January 16, 2012, 06:42:39 am
The good thing about Bowles - you can probably make a good play to keep Nolan and Daboll.

I'm in favor of that...

So you want to return a coaching staff minus one guy who just had 3 losing seasons. Yeah that ain't happening


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: el diablo on January 16, 2012, 08:42:30 am
Given the circumstances, I'm in favor of Bowles. Especially if it means that Dabol stays.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: MikeO on January 16, 2012, 12:42:14 pm
Given the circumstances, I'm in favor of Bowles. Especially if it means that Dabol stays.

Oh my god people....they are interviewing a bunch coaches for a reason, cause the current group sucks. Status Quo and bringing everyone back is NOT an option


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: masterfins on January 16, 2012, 12:45:24 pm
Geez if they make Bowles the HC, they might as well trade away all their draft picks for two years to get RGIII or Luck, because they will be lucky to win 8 games with Bowles.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: DarthHoodie on January 16, 2012, 03:00:58 pm
Hire Bowles so you can suck for Barkley?  :-\
You guys are fortunate that Fisher picked the Rams, his first 2 coordinator hires are--OC Schotty and DC Gregg Williams...yuck!


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: masterfins on January 16, 2012, 03:44:35 pm
^^^Maybe this is why Ross/Ireland didn't want to give him 100% control of everything.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: el diablo on January 16, 2012, 06:15:07 pm
Oh my god people....they are interviewing a bunch coaches for a reason, cause the current group sucks. Status Quo and bringing everyone back is NOT an option

The STATUS QUO are the two head people in charge. They aren't going anywhere. They are interviewing a lot of people because the "big names" they want, don't want the job.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: MikeO on January 16, 2012, 06:58:32 pm
The STATUS QUO are the two head people in charge. They aren't going anywhere. They are interviewing a lot of people because the "big names" they want, don't want the job.

The Status Quo  is Sparano's staff members. Some staff members "might" stay on with the new guy,that is expected. But to bring in a new head coach and juist keep Daboll and Nolan and everyone else is idiotic on all levels.


Title: Re: Are you upset about losing out on Fisher?
Post by: el diablo on January 16, 2012, 10:41:17 pm
Whoever the new coach is will likely be a coordinator from some other team. So you don't have to worry about both Dabol & Nolan staying. Yet, our clueless owner & GM are still here. And somehow this isn't the status quo?