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Moore was 31st
Henne was 32nd dead last (they just assumed Henne would beat out Blain Gabbert)...lol

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Definitely do not agree. I saw a ranking that had Moore 11th. Will try to find link. IMO, he is probably somewhere in between.

I could not find the link that had Moore ranked 11th, but did find this one. Would you believe he is ranked 42nd??? OMG!!


http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7160762/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings

Not surprising. The people that throw the "he was 6-3 down the stretch" fail to mention that in two of those 3 games he lost by himself (Giants and Pats). And in those 6 wins he didn't beat 1 decent team. He beat a bad Buffalo team twice, he beat KC, Oakland, Washington, and a Jets team that had a player quit on the field in the middle of the game.

Not one of those teams made the playoffs and none of them were any good last season.

Matt Moore hasn't beaten a what you would call a "good" team since the final game of the 2009 season in which he beat the Saints when the Saints had nothing to play for and "mailed it in" that game because they had everything locked up!

I think that is being a little rough on Moore. He had no OTA's, training camp or nothing.  He was thrown in at the last minute because of injury. The right side of the line sucked and his diva WR dropped more TD's than the rest of the league.

As far as not beating a good team, IMO the parity in the NFL has never been greater. I don't think there is a patsie left. Moore got some bad breaks as well. Many of the picks were not his fault and had Jimmy Wilson not fumbled the onside kick, we would have easily beat Denver.   

I think Moore deserves more credit than he's given...   like Fins4ever said he had no  OTA's or training camp!  He was learning a new system and until Henne went down he wasn't getting many snaps at QB!   Marshall did drop a lot of balls and Moore did improve over the season. 

Can he be a Kurt Warner? Probably not!

But given a chance with OTA's and training camp who knows how good he could become?

I don't put stock in any of them.

All it takes is a keyboard and a blog to make a list. 

Good point. No matter what methodology they incorporate in making their list, it will never be accurate. for example, do you think Moore's stats would have been better if he would have been on G.B or the Giants? How about throwing to a pair of excellent TE's like in N.E.?

Can't say for sure... but, I think Moore's numbers would have been much better playing for Green Bay or NE!  He really only had Marshall as a real threat here... given another threat like the TE's in NE or Green Bay's O-line and receiving corps!

But Painter had talent around him in Indy and that didn't work so well... did it?

Oddly these are the same teams and same games you hang your "the defense was so great" hat on. So the D gets credit for beating bad teams, but Moore doesn't; the D takes no blame for falling apart in the fourth quarter and losing multiple games, but Moore- who isn't even on the field when those points are scored, gets blamed for losing leads against the Pats and Giants?? Consistency please? -EK

He had the same amount of an offseason time as everyone else!

Alex Smith was playing in a new offense last year. He was "thrown" into it! Played just fine. Cam Newton had no offseason and was a ROOKIE, he did fine!

That excuse doesn't fly with me!

This is a stupid argument and stance! When Moore turns the ball over on the 2 yard line and gives Dallas the ball on the goaline, Moore doesn't "technically" need to be on the field when points are scored. He just handed them points. That's his fault! Same for the Philly game. In the Giants game when Miami has the lead heading into the 4th quarter and Moore leads the offense to 4 total yards and 1 first down in the 4th quarter and can't give the defense a rest or keep them off the field, and then throws a bad INT to boot....that is Matt Moore LOSING THE GAME!  You can "spin the blame" anyway you want, but that is the QB not making a play to lead the team to victory!

How is it stupid? Just because you don't agree with it? Maybe if that incredible D would have held one or two guys to a FG instead of a TD every once in a while I'd buy into your argument, but they didn't. That's not Moore's fault, no matter where the ball is placed. Do I really need to remind you how many fourth quarter points the D allowed in their losses?? You understand the irony in the fact that you consistently try to rag on me about Sanchez and Tebow, and your almighty Miami D allowed 32 fourth quarter or OT points to those two QB's in only three games. If the D gives up over 10 points per game in the fourth quarter to two guys who you think don't deserve to even be in the league at QB, that's not Moore's fault at all. Love to see how you'll spin this.


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-EK

^^Liking the new guy lol. -EK

As you said earlier, have a thicker skin  ;)

If I don't agree I will tell you and if you don't like it don't respond and don't reply. Nobody made ya! lol....just following the guidelines you set out!

And that's why its stupid!

This is from October 28, 2011.  You can tell because Eli Manning is rated behind Philip Rivers, Michael Vick, and Cam Newton.

At the moment that article was written, Moore was 0-2 as a Miami starter (having just lost to the 1-4 Broncos) and the Dolphins were 0-6.  His spot on the list was well-deserved.

And as I linked more than once during your cheerleader for Tebow, during that run the defense racked up the majority of its sacks, int's and pick 6's during the same time. When the defense was over-matched by a superior team, Tebow could not even begin to keep the team in the game.
Even when Moore played like crap against good teams, the D at least gave us a chance by staying in the game, but our offense sucked so bad, we never had our own "Tebow Time".

^^^^ ha ha, great reference!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLD5WMCpYEs

Just sayin'

Matt Flynn is #29 on that list.

For what we would have had to give him to get him for an upgrade from 31 to 29 (according to some buffoon's list) - was that worth it?

Note, too, that last season's "big pursuit," Kyle Orton, wasn't even on the list. Is it possible that management actually knows what they're doing passing on guys like Orton and Flynn? -EK

^^ furthermore, is it obvious that the "fans" just want any warm body at QB, regardless of their talent level?  Orton and Flynn are great examples.  Go chase Peyton Manning, sure.  Guys that can be the next bottom-feeder to get boo'ed at training camp (e.g. Tannehill) can float on by.

I've been lambasted by some for calling them out on that exact thing. I'd rather have Moore under center this year, with a full season working with the starters and a chance to build on his finish from last year than a "warm body" who is there simply to have a change. -EK

Just for comparison purposes, Matt Moore was not selected in the 2007 draft and has not had a stellar NFL career so far and yet you're convinced that Tannehill is less of a prospect before he takes a single snap in the NFL? I have a hard time understanding the logic behind this. I don't think anyone is saying he's going to be the next Joe Montana, but I don't see anyone saying he's got no chance of making it in the NFL either. Why is it that so many people seem to have the opinion that he either has to be a franchise QB or he's the worst in the NFL? Most likely the guy is neither, but I'd at least like to see Miami give him a shot.

You described guys you select in the 3-7th round.

In the the top half of the first round of draft you want guys whose upside it the HOF and whose downside is servicable starter. 

^^ exactly.

Take Tannehill in the 3rd round, I'm fine with that.  Not at 3 overall.  not even top 10.  He's only in the conversation because so many people want Luck and RG3 that they'll settle for 3rd-best.  Look at Matt Leinart, Colt McCoy, Brady Quinn, Jimmy Claussen, JaMarcus Russell - these guys were all highly scouted coming out of college and all were huge busts.  That can cripple a franchise.  If you're the Dolphins and you grab a QB that high, he better be a hit.  Cause you know it means he's "the guy" for the next 3-5 years.

In the perfect world, maybe. In the REAL world, I have described players taken in EVERY round of the draft.

His upside is HOF. He has ALL the tools. He can make EVERY throw. That's his upside. Whether or not that translates into a HOF career is the difference. There's VERY little difference as far as pure raw athleticism is concerned between Luck, RGIII and Tannehill. All the scouts say this. The only difference is the experience and actual production on the field. Yes, I realize that's a big difference, but that does not lower his UPSIDE, that only lowers the potential to reach that UPSIDE.

The DOWNSIDE for EVERYONE is never playing a down in the NFL. I've seen guys tear an ACL in preseason and never make an NFL starting roster.

yada ya....

IMHO, Tannehill is too much of a question mark to warrent a 1-25 pick.  Go with a different postion of some one who played 3 years and you know can play CB, LB, WR, OL, DL, etc.  And grab the maybes in the later rounds.

^^This. If Miami had two great RB's, no problems in the secondary, could cover a TE to save it's life, some good WR's, then sure- knock yourself out because all you need is a QB. There's too many holes to fill on this team to take that kind of gamble on a QB in round. IMO, Miami needs immediate upgrades at (in no particular order) right tackle, wide receiver, safety, corner (Vontae has 2 years left, Smith's last year is this year, and he isn't that great to begin with), defensive end, and linebacker, in addition to quarterback. Take the best athlete on the board at #8- which ever of those spots is filled- and let the coaches and offensive co-ordinators try to work around Moore's flaws with the new offensive scheme. No QB is perfect- the job of the OC is to limit the situations that make your QB vulnerable to his weakness. Eli struggles with turnovers in disguised coverage, so the Giants used a two headed running attack for part of his career, until he got better. Brady gets rattled by interior blitzes, so what do the Pats do? Run 2 and 3 TE sets so your LB's have to drop back and can't blitz like they're playing Madden. If Miami is capable of masking some of Moore's inadequacies, he doesn't need to be "great." I believe he can be good- and that's all they may need. -EK

I agree with your entire post. Also, Matt Moore can't be loving Miami right now. They signed him and never let him compete with Henne when Henne clearly stunk. His WR was throwing him under the bus in the offseason on NBC at the Pro Bowl and was saying he was going to help recruit Flynn. They tried to replace him with Manning, Flynn, and now "probably" Tannehill. They brought in David Gararrd and told him he has a chance to win the job. What Moore did last year wasn't even good enough to be handed the starters job over a guy who is old, injured, and sat out all of last season. Moore's contract is up after this year, it's a pretty safe guess Moore will take any deal to get out of Miami. Hell he hasn't spent one day this offseason in Miami working with the new offense and coaches. And I can't say I blame him, he isn't feeling the love from them so why put in the extra time and work. He has stayed on the west coast the entire offseason.

With Moore probably gone, and with Gararrd on a 1 year deal and probably finished as a player anyway. The ONLY QB on the roster after this year is Pat Devlin.  If Miami doesn't get Tannehill or Weeden, they literally might not have a QB heading into "next" year. Lord knows they don't sign anyone in free agency plus the free agent class at QB next year stinks! And if Moore and the defense is good enough to win 6 or 7 games they probably won't be in a position to draft one. Or will be drafting one with a lower grade than Tannehill and be taking a bigger risk!  Which is why I think if Tannehill is gone by 8, I wouldn't be shocked if they trade down 3 or 4 spots and take Weeden in the Top 15! They can't ignore the QB position any longer they literally have nobody. And a year from now it might be disaster mode!