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Allegedly he got into an argument with a fan and called him an asshole.  The facts are still coming out at this stage, but I'm hoping this is the final nail in the coffin for him.

Oh well, not a big deal based on the info so far. Even the fan who approached the GM said he doesn't think he would have handled it any differently.

I'm sure the fan didn't say anything at all to him, right?

The fan has every right to be pissed considering he is paying for Ireland's suits

Yawn

He isn't paying for Ireland's anything.  This is a non-story.  Stop trying to find reasons to justify your hatred.

If a guy came up to you in your "class" and told you that you suck at "teaching" and that you should be fired, you'd probably call him an asshole too.

This is blatant pot-stirring by the media, who just wants to feed people more reasons to get Ireland fired, regardless of the work he is doing.

Ireland is right.  That fan is an asshole.  These are still people with families.  They deserve criticism, but there is a place.  When Ireland is walking around, you're a jerkoff for calling him out.

Ireland has to suck it up and stay professional.  I don't know that I'd be able to either.

^^ agreed 100%.  People often forget that the guy is a human and not just a face on a team media guide, there for your criticism.

The guy is lucky that's all he got.

Funny you mentioned that.  I've had that done to me several times by students who didn't think it was fair that I took points off their papers for grammatical errors or hate the fact that I don't accept late work unless you have a documented emergency.  Each time, I laughed and referred them to my department chairperson.

To call a fan an asshole in public is extremely unprofessional, even if the fan is acting like one.  And this is not the first time Ireland has made unprofessional comments.

How did the story leak out? I am guessing Ireland didn't leak it out. So the fan acts like a jerk in public, someone calls him out on it and yells a profanity his way, and he (the fan) gets upset and runs to the press? LOL Give me a break.

Jeff SHOULDN'T have said what he said, but jesus christ talk about this "fan" being a total tool. If you act like a jerk in public be prepared to have someone go off on on you!

^ In the article I saw, several fans who witnessed it called in to 790 The Ticket with the story.  Then the actual guy called in.  Then the Dolphins confirmed their version of the story.


Here's how I see it.  The Dolphins give you ways to speak out -- they're calling you, asking you things.  They don't hinder sites like this.  There are multiple radio stations that take calls about this stuff all day.  There's no shortage of places to call out Ireland if you're unhappy with him.   ...but DURING a game, in the concourse?  Idiotic and embarrassing for the guy that did it.

The fan called the radio station and broadcast the story.

Ireland didn't say it to him, Ireland gave him the happy smiley face and a fake laugh.  What Ireland said was to himself, and 100% accurate.

Did anybody get the guy's name? Was it you Tommy?

Fan was an idiot and probably drunk.

But still Ireland should be mature (and sober) enough to ignore it.  On the whole a non-story. 

Lucky ? What else could he have gotten ?

JI is just showing emotion, that is all. He and any other G.M. will always have enemies, no matter what they do.

I hate Ireland as much of the next guy but this story screams  ::) big fucking deal  ::) to me. Who gives a shit....you were trashing Ireland and he called you an asshole. Suck it up you pansy ass and move on. If you can dish it out be prepared to take it no matter who it is.

Punched in the mouth...

I see this as a non story, but with all the controversy of the team, is it any surprise he met a fan who thinks he should be fired. What's surprising is he met so many people who was pleasant. lol

Seriously, I feel for JI. He is literally starting over with a new staff. If he doesn't improve the team very soon, he will be gone.

For the record, a great response to the fan complaining about his track record and the team he put's on the field,  would have been, "well, I guess I did a good enough job building this team to sell you a ticket". lol

The media is looking to crucify Ireland to get clicks to their story, or listeners to their radio show.  Play up to what fans want.  Its miserable.

Good point. Media whores. lol

I think you guys aren't getting the real picture.

The person he called out, didn't go to the press, he was asked to call in.

How does that make this more of a story?

Exactly, who cares why or how he went public. Doesn't change the story at all. It's still a nothing story.

Unfortunately this is all distracting from the real story, which is Ireland is a nightmare of a GM. Overlooking the Brandon Marshall trade, signing Chad O-So-Sinkhole -- that kinda stuff -- a couple years back they couldn't get a deal done with Paul Soliai, ended up Franchising him, making him the highest paid lineman in Dolphin history. Now we have Reggie Bush playing out the 2nd year of a 2-year deal, meaning he probably walks next year. You'd think they'd be working on an extension

How the heck can you rip Ireland for Soliai? IT WORKED! He waited Paul out and ended up getting him at a huge hometown discount. So he had to franchise him for one year, so what? It ended up meaning nothing in the end.

You don't overreact and give RB's big extensions. Look at Chris Johnson for proof of that.Especially smaller sized running backs who has a history of being injury prone. There is no rush at all to extend Reggie Bush. If they did extend him now they would be beyond stupid!

I wouldn't necessarily label them stupid for extending him.  It depends on what they extend him for.  This is a perfect example I alluded to in another thread.  Locking a good player into a long term deal before his performance drives his price through the roof  is a big part of what makes perennial contenders successful.  Bush is 27 and in his prime.  Wanna extend him say $4.5 million a year for the next three years in base salary now?  If he has a bunch of games like he did against the Raiders, he's going to command a lot more than that on the open market.

RB's have a short shelf life in this league. This is year 7 for Reggie and he has a history of being injury prone. No way in Hell Reggie gets more than a 2 year deal and it will be front loaded so after 1 year he can be easily cut.

Apparently being injury prone has given him fresh legs.  Also, word is in New Orleans that he wasn't really taking care of himself which resulted in those injuries.  Now with the benefit of hindsight and the stigma of being traded for a six pack and a quart of pork fried rice, he's taking his job/career more seriously.  End result, his first 1000 yard season and being more of a complete back than ever.  It doesn't matter if it's a two, three, or four year deal.  Just lock him in now.

Ha, ha, ha. A person can call you names and that doesn't give you a right to assault them. I deal with wanna be tough guys everyday. They never do a damn thing, most people take the path of least resistance. I can tell them to go fuck their mother. They touch me and I can legally beat the shit out of them. After beating the shit out of them (If I'm physically capable of course), I call the police and press assault charges, then I sue them in civil court for my ongoing back and neck problems, then I own their ass. So my rule of thumb in life is that you can use your freedom of speech and call me names and I will do the same, but you don't physically put your hands on someone. Another thing you have to consider is that you never know who has a 1911 cocked and locked with them and once you fuck with the wrong one, it's game over and it's your fault.

And then in 3 years when you are here going....how can the Dolphins be so bad and still have no salary cap space. It's because you don't give out bad deals like this. I want to keep Bush, but no more than 2 years and at a reasonable price. His market is not going to be huge. In fact it will be rather small as running back isn't a position anymore where you see guys switching teams getting huge money deals. Teams use running backs by committee and feel you can get quality young guys cheap at that spot no need to pay big bucks to a vet with a lot of wear and tear on him.

That is not correct. If your language is deemed by the court to be fighting words, then you can be held liable as provoking the fight as if you threw the first punch.

Mike, you are a true die-hard Fins Fan and I congratulate you for that. But still, the team has to have some play makers. And who have we got (left)? Well, let's add them all up.... It looks like -- hey, Reggie Bush. And that's it. Tannehill has potential, mos def, but not unless he's got some receivers. Hartline's a possession guy with absolutely no YAC, and Bess is a good slot receiver. You really think Ireland's going to be able to Draft anybody of Bush's caliber? From what I've seen Jeff Ireland with Draft Picks is like Stevie Wonder at the Free Throw Line.

And, for the record, we can most certainly blame Ireland for Soliai. They were not able to get an extension done, so they had to Franchise him for $12 Million, made him the highest paid Lineman in Dolphin history. We could have locked him up for half that for that Season (believe it was 2010) had they gotten an extension done. And the only reason he stuck around was he played so terrible nobody else would offer him any big bucks. He wasn't even a factor that Season.

But these are just two of the examples I could cite. You don't want to start going down the list of all the stupid stuff Ireland and the Miami Front Office has done. That would crash the whole Internet.

Reading the rest of your post makes it seem you see one in the mirror quite a bit.

This entire thread just goes to show you that once a guy gets on someone's bad side, they can never do anything right. 

People decided they hate Ireland (whether justified or not), and now no matter what he does (e.g. Soliai), its a terrible move.

Can't win, and people can't be objective.

You don't give out bad contracts in this league! You do and you have issues for years. Period.

And  you act like Miami is the FIRST team to ever franchise a player. Who cares? Ireland won on that deal. He ended up signing Soliai to an extension at a hometown discount in the end. Wasn't that the goal? Who gives a crap that Soliai was the highest paid defensive linemen in Dolphins history? What the F' does that mean or matter? Who cares? Honestly. It's a meaningless thing to even mention. And if you think Solia was terrible in 2011 when Miami was 3rd in rushing defense you don't understand NFL football.

You just don't go passing out extensions when guys have a good game or a few good games. That's how teams get in major trouble! Nobody is defending Jeff Ireland's resume, but jesus christ give him credit for the couple things he has done right.

Yep. How Ireland gets ripped for the Soliai deal when he waited Paul out and WON ON THE DEAL is beyond me. Some people just don't understand how this league works and want to pass out big contracts after a guy has 1 good game.

Good luck with that one, ha ha ha........


Not me. I'm far from a tough guy. To be honest, I actually feel like an old man. Like I said, you don't put your hands on people unless they get physical first. If I put my hands on someone, I better expect that I might get my ass beat down, maybe even shot or killed. That goes likewise for someone that might want to assault me. Call me names, call my dead mother names, call my wife names, or call my kids names. Say anything you want to me, I really don't give a shit and won't lose any sleep over it. Verbal confrontations happen all the time, that doesn't give anyone free reign to assault someone.

The COUPLE of things Ireland has done RIGHT. That's exactly the point. How many bad moves has he made? Well, we wouldn't want to overload the entire internet with that discussion. When you start trying to cite the "COUPLE" of things somebody's done right it's basically game over. Stevie Wonder at the Free Throw Line.

Well if Ireland had done his job would this BE a story ?

I've been thinking about this and have come to this conclusion.  Everyone complains on message boards and many times people get criticized for hiding behind their PC. Well this guy didn't. At the one time and place that he would have a chance to tell him how he feels he did it. I don't think it's any different than yelling "you suck" to the Sparano as he fist pumps our field goals with the exception this guy did it face to face. Good for this guy. I wownder how many of the people being nice to Ireland and getting autographs have bad mouthed him?

With that said ... I have no problem with Ireland calling him an arsehole and neither did the guy apparently. So calling this is a non story is probably correct.

EXACTLY right! Even the guy that got called an a-hole knows he deserved it. 

Total non-story. You can bash Ireland for legit things that matter. Don't need this to bash him over.

...yet there hare 3 pages on the forum discussing this non-story.

You and I agree on something. 4 or 5 year deal for a running back approaching 30 is horrible. Miller looks competent and can replace Bush. Bush and his big contract expations will be someone else's worry after this season. Let him walk.

This we agree on. 2 year deal, fine. Nothing more for a RB with 7 years in this league. With Miller/Thomas no need to go crazy here and overpay. Bush won't have a huge market when FA begins anyway. Nobody pays big money for RB's with that many years in the league. He will stay in Miami

Is this even a debate?  Bush is great, but you have to pay for the future, not for the present.  Bush needs to get 2 year deals, at max.  You just can't sink long term money into a position like that, at an age like that...  Just can't do it...

Agreed about Bush, but not sold on Miller/Thomas.  I haven't seen anything out of these two yet that suggests they can be a viable every-down tandem in this league.

I think Miller can carry the load.  His yards per carry average against the Raiders was almost identical to Bush's and he didn't break a long run.

I guess I'll continue the hijack...

I was against getting Bush,and have been surprised but what he's done as a Dolphin....

I don't want to talk extension with Reggie tll at least week 13-14* career high 216 carries...I agree with the sentiment of 2 years max.

*Last year he started 15 games,and played in 15 games...Most since his rookie year...He's played in 56 of 96 games in the NFL,He's missed 40 career games regular season.