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Title: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on September 27, 2012, 07:59:54 pm Preliminary Nominees by Position
*First year of eligibility; ^Past finalist QUARTERBACKS DREW BLEDSOE – 1993-2001 New England Patriots, 2002-04 Buffalo Bills, 2005-06 Dallas Cowboys RANDALL CUNNINGHAM – 1985-1995 Philadelphia Eagles, 1997-99 Minnesota Vikings, 2000 Dallas Cowboys, 2001 Baltimore Ravens RON JAWORSKI – 1974-76 Los Angeles Rams, 1977-1986 Philadelphia Eagles, 1988 Miami Dolphins, 1989 Kansas City Chiefs NEIL LOMAX – 1981-88 St. Louis/Phoenix Cardinals *STEVE McNAIR – 1995-2005 Houston/Tennessee Oilers/Titans, 2006-07 Baltimore Ravens PHIL SIMMS – 1979-1993 New York Giants, injured-1982 DANNY WHITE (also P) – 1976-1988 Dallas Cowboys RUNNING BACKS JAMAL ANDERSON – 1994-2001 Atlanta Falcons OTTIS ANDERSON – 1979-1986 St. Louis Cardinals, 1986-1992 New York Giants TIKI BARBER – 1997-2006 New York Giants ^JEROME BETTIS – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers LARRY CENTERS – 1990-98 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 1999-2000 Washington Redskins, 2001-02 Buffalo Bills, 2003 New England Patriots ^ROGER CRAIG – 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings STEPHEN DAVIS – 1996-2002 Washington Redskins, 2003-05 Carolina Panthers, 2006 St. Louis Rams TERRELL DAVIS – 1995-2001 Denver Broncos EDDIE GEORGE – 1996-2003 Houston/Tennessee Oilers/Titans, 2004 Dallas Cowboys *PRIEST HOLMES – 1997-2000 Baltimore Ravens, 2001-05, 2007 Kansas City Chiefs BRIAN MITCHELL (also PR/KR) – 1990-99 Washington Redskins, 2000-02 Philadelphia Eagles, 2003 New York Giants GERALD RIGGS – 1982-88 Atlanta Falcons, 1989-1991 Washington Redskins HERSCHEL WALKER – 1986-89 Dallas Cowboys, 1989-1991 Minnesota Vikings, 1992-94 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995 New York Giants, 1996-97 Dallas Cowboys RICKY WATTERS – 1992-94 San Francisco 49ers, 1995-97 Philadelphia Eagles, 1998-2001 Seattle Seahawks WIDE RECEIVERS ^TIM BROWN (also KR) – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers ^CRIS CARTER – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins GARY CLARK – 1985-1992 Washington Redskins, 1993-94 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 1995 Miami Dolphins MARK CLAYTON – 1983-1992 Miami Dolphins, 1993 Green Bay Packers HENRY ELLARD (also PR) – 1983-1993 Los Angeles Rams, 1994-98 Washington Redskins, 1998 New England Patriots KEYSHAWN JOHNSON – 1996-99 New York Jets; 2000-03 Tampa Bay Buccaneers; 2004-05 Dallas Cowboys, 2006 Carolina Panthers *KEENAN McCARDELL – 1991, 2007 Washington Redskins, 1992-95 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2002-03 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-06 San Diego Chargers STANLEY MORGAN – 1977-1989 New England Patriots, 1990 Indianapolis Colts ^ANDRE REED – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins STERLING SHARPE – 1988-1994 Green Bay Packers JIMMY SMITH – 1992 Dallas Cowboys, 1995-2005 Jacksonville Jaguars ROD SMITH – 1995-2006 Denver Broncos TIGHT ENDS TODD CHRISTENSEN – 1979 New York Giants, 1979-1988 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders BEN COATES – 1991-99 New England Patriots, 2000 Baltimore Ravens OFFENSIVE LINEMEN *LARRY ALLEN (G) – 1994-2005 Dallas Cowboys, 2006-07 San Francisco 49ers TONY BOSELLI (T) – 1995-2001 Jacksonville Jaguars, 2002 Houston Texans (injured reserve) LOMAS BROWN (T) – 1985-1995 Detroit Lions, 1996-98 Arizona Cardinals, 1999 Cleveland Browns, 2000-01 New York Giants, 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers JIM COVERT (T) – 1983-1990 Chicago Bears JOE FIELDS (C) – 1975-1987 New York Jets, 1988 New York Giants BILL FRALIC (G/T) – 1985-1992 Atlanta Falcons, 1993 Detroit Lions JEFF HARTINGS (G/C) – 1996-2000 Detroit Lions, 2001-2006 Pittsburgh Steelers JAY HILGENBERG (C) – 1981-1991 Chicago Bears, 1992 Cleveland Browns, 1993 New Orleans Saints CHRIS HINTON (G/T) – 1983-89 Baltimore/Indianapolis Colts, 1990-93 Atlanta Falcons, 1994-95 Minnesota Vikings KENT HULL (C) – 1986-1996 Buffalo Bills JOE JACOBY (T) – 1981-1993 Washington Redskins MIKE KENN (T) – 1978-1994 Atlanta Falcons JIM LACHEY (T) – 1985-87 San Diego Chargers, 1988 Los Angeles Raiders, 1988-1992, 1994-95 Washington Redskins *TOM NALEN (C) – 1994-2007 Denver Broncos *JONATHAN OGDEN (T) – 1996-2007 Baltimore Ravens WILL SHIELDS (G) – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs ERIK WILLIAMS (T) – 1991-2000 Dallas Cowboys, 2001 Baltimore Ravens STEVE WISNIEWSKI (G) – 1989-2001 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders DEFENSIVE LINEMEN *SAM ADAMS (DT) – 1994-99 Seattle Seahawks, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens, 2002 Oakland Raiders, 2003-05 Buffalo Bills, 2006 Cincinnati Bengals, 2007 Denver Broncos CARL HAIRSTON (DE/DT) – 1976-1983 Philadelphia Eagles, 1984-89 Cleveland Browns, 1990 Phoenix Cardinals ^CHARLES HALEY (DE/LB) – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys ED “TOO TALL” JONES (DE) – 1974-78, 1980-89 Dallas Cowboys JOE KLECKO (DE/DT/NT) – 1977-1987 New York Jets, 1988 Indianapolis Colts DEXTER MANLEY (DE) – 1981-89 Washington Redskins, 1990 Phoenix Cardinals, 1991 Tampa Bay Buccaneers CHARLES MANN (DE) – 1983-1993 Washington Redskins, 1994 San Francisco 49ers *WARREN SAPP (DT) – 1995-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Oakland Raiders FRED SMERLAS (NT) – 1979-1989 Buffalo Bills, 1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991-92 New England Patriots *MICHAEL STRAHAN (DE) – 1993-2007 New York Giants *TED WASHINGTON (DT/NT) – 1991-93 San Francisco 49ers, 1994 Denver Broncos, 1995-2000 Buffalo Bills, 2001-02 Chicago Bears, 2003 New England Patriots, 2004-05 Oakland Raiders, 2006-07 Cleveland Browns *BRYANT YOUNG (DE) – 1994-2007 San Francisco 49ers LINEBACKERS CORNELIUS BENNETT – 1987-1995 Buffalo Bills, 1996-98 Atlanta Falcons, 1999-2000 Indianapolis Colts ^KEVIN GREENE (also DE) – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers KEN HARVEY – 1988-1993 Phoenix Cardinals, 1994-98 Washington Redskins CLAY MATTHEWS – 1978-1993 Cleveland Browns, 1994-96 Atlanta Falcons KARL MECKLENBURG – 1983-1994 Denver Broncos SAM MILLS – 1986-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-97 Carolina Panthers DARRYL TALLEY – 1983-1994 Buffalo Bills, 1995 Atlanta Falcons, 1996 Minnesota Vikings DEFENSIVE BACKS ERIC ALLEN (CB) – 1988-1994 Philadelphia Eagles, 1995-97 New Orleans Saints, 1998-2001 Oakland Raiders STEVE ATWATER (S) – 1989-1998 Denver Broncos, 1999 New York Jets JOEY BROWNER (S) – 1983-1991 Minnesota Vikings, 1992 Tampa Bay Buccaneers LEROY BUTLER (S) – 1990-2001 Green Bay Packers NOLAN CROMWELL (S) – 1977-1987 Los Angeles Rams ALBERT LEWIS (CB) – 1983-1993 Kansas City Chiefs, 1994-98 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders *JOHN LYNCH (S) – 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos DENNIS SMITH (S) – 1981-1994 Denver Broncos TROY VINCENT (CB – 1992-95 Miami Dolphins, 1996-2003 Philadelphia Eagles, 2004-06 Buffalo Bills, 2006 Washington Redskins EVERSON WALLS (CB) – 1981-89 Dallas Cowboys, 1990-92 New York Giants, 1992-93 Cleveland Browns ^AENEAS WILLIAMS (CB/S) – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams DARREN WOODSON (S) – 1992-2003 Dallas Cowboys KICKERS/PUNTERS *MORTEN ANDERSEN (K) – 1982-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-2000, 2006-07 Atlanta Falcons, 2001 New York Giants, 2002-03 Kansas City Chiefs, 2004 Minnesota Vikings GARY ANDERSON (K) – 1982-1994 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1995-96 Philadelphia Eagles, 1997 San Francisco 49ers, 1998-2002 Minnesota Vikings, 2003-04 Tennessee Titans SEAN LANDETA (P) – 1985-1993 New York Giants, 1993-96, 2003-04 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1997 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 1998 Green Bay Packers, 1999-2002, 2005 Philadelphia Eagles NICK LOWERY (K) – 1978 New England Patriots, 1980-1993 Kansas City Chiefs, 1994-96 New York Jets SPECIAL TEAMS STEVE TASKER (also WR) – 1985-86 Houston Oilers, 1986-1997 Buffalo Bills COACHES BILL ARNSPARGER – 1964-69 Baltimore Colts, 1970-73, 1976-1983 Miami Dolphins, 1974-76 New York Giants DOUG BLEVINS – 1995-97, 1999 World League/NFL Europe, 1997-2003 Miami Dolphins BUD CARSON – 1971-77 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1978-81, 1997 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1982 Baltimore Colts, 1983 Kansas City Chiefs, 1985-88 New York Jets, 1989-1990 Cleveland Browns, 1991-94 Philadelphia Eagles ^DON CORYELL – 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers BILL COWHER – 1992-2006 Pittsburgh Steelers TOM FLORES – 1979-1987 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-94 Seattle Seahawks JIMMY JOHNSON – 1989-1993 Dallas Cowboys, 1996-99 Miami Dolphins CHUCK KNOX – 1973-77 Los Angeles Rams, 1978-1982 Buffalo Bills, 1983-1991 Seattle Seahawks, 1992-94 Los Angeles Rams ^BILL PARCELLS – 1983-1990 New York Giants, 1993-96 New England Patriots, 1997-99 New York Jets, 2003-06 Dallas Cowboys BUDDY PARKER – 1949 Chicago Cardinals, 1951-56 Detroit Lions, 1957-1964 Pittsburgh Steelers DAN REEVES – 1981-1992 Denver Broncos, 1993-96 New York Giants, 1997-2003 Atlanta Falcons MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER – 1984-88 Cleveland Browns, 1989-1998 Kansas City Chiefs, 2001 Washington Redskins, 2002-06 San Diego Chargers CLARK SHAUGHNESSY – 1944-47 Washington Redskins, 1948-49 Los Angeles Rams, 1951-1962 Chicago Bears DICK VERMEIL – 1976-1982 Philadelphia Eagles, 1997-99 St. Louis Rams, 2001-05 Kansas City Chiefs CONTRIBUTORS K.S. “BUD” ADAMS, JR. (Founder/Owner) – 1960-Present Houston Oilers/Tennessee Oilers/Titans GEORGE ANDERSON (Trainer) – 1960-1993 Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders BOBBY BEATHARD (Admin.) – 1966-67 Kansas City Chiefs, 1968-1971 Atlanta Falcons, 1972-77 Miami Dolphins, 1978-1988 Washington Redskins, 1990-99 San Diego Chargers GIL BRANDT (Admin.) – 1960-1988 Dallas Cowboys, 1995-present National Football League C.O. BROCATO (Scout) – 1974-76, 1981-present Houston Oilers/Tennessee Oilers/Tennessee Titans LEO CARLIN (Admin.) – 1960-Present Philadelphia Eagles JACK KENT COOKE (Owner) – 1974-1997 Washington Redskins OTHO DAVIS (Trainer) – 1971-72 Baltimore Colts, 1973-1995 Philadelphia Eagles ^ED DeBARTOLO, JR. (Owner) – 1979-2000 San Francisco 49ers RON GIBBS (Official) – 1940-1962 National Football League RALPH KOHL (Scout) – 1978-1992 Minnesota Vikings EDDIE KOTAL (Admin.) – 1947-1961 Los Angeles Rams ROBERT KRAFT (Owner) – 1994-Present New England Patriots ART McNALLY (Official) – 1968-Present National Football League ^ART MODELL (Owner) – 1961-1995 Cleveland Browns, 1996-2011 Baltimore Ravens BILL POLIAN (Admin.) – 1978-1982 Kansas City Chiefs, 1984-1992 Buffalo Bills, 1993-94 National Football League, 1995-97 Carolina Panthers, 1998-2011 Indianapolis Colts ART ROONEY, JR. (Admin.) – 1961-Present Pittsburgh Steelers STEVE SABOL (Contrib.) – 1964-2012 NFL Films CARL STORCK (Owner/Coach/Admin.) – 1918-1930 Dayton Triangles, 1930-1941 National Football League ^PAUL TAGLIABUE (Commissioner) – 1989-2006 National Football League BURL TOLER, SR. (Official) – 1965-1989 National Football League JIM TUNNEY (Official) – 1960-1991 National Football League RON WOLF (Admin.) – 1991-2001 Green Bay Packers ^GEORGE YOUNG (Admin.) – 1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: mecadonzilla on September 27, 2012, 08:19:29 pm How the fuck is Too Tall Jones not in the H.O.F.?
This guy got screwed by the lack of a sack stat for the first half of his career. Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: MikeO on September 27, 2012, 09:04:27 pm Cris Carter
Ricky Watters Jonathan Ogden Warren Sapp Michael Strahan Joe Jacoby Art Modell Watters is hated by all and he will never get in. Although 10,000+ rushing and 4,000+ receiving with close to 80 TD's he belongs. Modell pissed off too many people and if he doesn't get in this year with his death on everyone's mind he might never either. He helped build the NFL but his actions when he left Cleveland left a sour taste in the mouth of many of the voters. Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: el diablo on September 27, 2012, 09:08:14 pm I feel you on that. But then again, there are a lot of players that I feel the same way about. Such as Lester Hayes, Charles Haley, Joe Jacoby, Dexter Manley, Lomas Brown, Tim Brown, and many others.
Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: Brian Fein on September 27, 2012, 10:12:09 pm Am I over-remembering Herschel Walker? I thought he was a shoe-in for the Hall. Was he really a bum?
There are a lot of names on that list you could argue for but I think people will look at Michael Strahan, Cris Carter, Charles Haley, and Jerome Bettis Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: BigDaddyFin on September 27, 2012, 10:54:51 pm Am I over-remembering Herschel Walker? I thought he was a shoe-in for the Hall. Was he really a bum? I don't think he was a bum I think was a solid NFL Running back. I don't know that he's hall worthy. Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: MikeO on September 28, 2012, 07:05:39 am Am I over-remembering Herschel Walker? I thought he was a shoe-in for the Hall. Was he really a bum? There are a lot of names on that list you could argue for but I think people will look at Michael Strahan, Cris Carter, Charles Haley, and Jerome Bettis Herschel is more remembered for what he did in college than in the NFL. He isn't an NFL hall of fame player Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: CF DolFan on September 28, 2012, 08:31:05 am Herschel is more remembered for what he did in college than in the NFL. He isn't an NFL hall of fame player The biggest thing he did in the NFL was get traded wasn't it? Not to sound gay or anything but has anyone seen him lately? That guy is 50 and looks like he is 27, all muscle and no fat. Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: Fins4ever on September 28, 2012, 10:14:19 am I would like to see Steve Sabol get in. Shocked Art Rooney jr. (1961 - present) is not in.
Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: EKnight on September 28, 2012, 11:20:59 am It's insane to me that Walker isn't in. Brian- you're not misremembering anything. 8225 NFL career rushing yards. 4859 recieving yards. 5084 kickoff-return yards. Another 5562 yards in the USFL, including a record 2411 yard season. It's not the NFL hall of fame, it's the Pro Football Hall of Fame, so there's no reason NOT to look at his total 13787 yards. He is the only player gain 4,000 yards three different ways: rushing, receiving, and kickoff returns, the only player to have 10,000+ yards from scrimage and 5,000+ return yards, and one of a handful of players with 60 TDs rushing and 20 TDs receiving. -EK
Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: Brian Fein on September 28, 2012, 11:26:29 am I always thought of Herschel Walker to be on par with Emmitt Smith. I guess I was too young to remember.
Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: Spider-Dan on September 28, 2012, 12:21:10 pm Ogden, Larry Allen, Strahan stand out as the solid first-timers.
Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: Dave Gray on September 28, 2012, 12:57:16 pm I think Sabol, Terell Davis, and Sapp are good picks.
Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: Spider-Dan on September 28, 2012, 01:22:58 pm Oops, I missed Sapp. He'll be in the mix for sure.
TD has been on the list for a while and hasn't even been a finalist yet. I don't have a problem with Sabol getting in, but not this year. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Recently Deceased. Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: CF DolFan on September 28, 2012, 01:41:14 pm I don't have a problem with Sabol getting in, but not this year. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Recently Deceased. I disagree. I don't know anyone who is more synonymous for NFL football and that makes him a HOFer. Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: Spider-Dan on September 28, 2012, 06:53:43 pm This isn't his first year on the list, though, and the only significant event that he was involved in since the last vote was... well, his death.
I do think he should get in eventually, but right after his death (after failing to qualify before) is just pandering. Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: Fins4ever on September 29, 2012, 10:38:46 am I disagree. I don't know anyone who is more synonymous for NFL football and that makes him a HOFer. Agree. It has nothing to do with him being recently deceased. Sabol and his dad are responsible for what "us fans" enjoy today. How does HOF eligibility work? I am thinking a player is not eligible until 5 yrs. after retiring, yet Stealers DC Dick LeBeau, who still coaches was inducted a couple of years ago. Anyone know? Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: MikeO on September 29, 2012, 11:25:15 am Agree. It has nothing to do with him being recently deceased. Sabol and his dad are responsible for what "us fans" enjoy today. How does HOF eligibility work? I am thinking a player is not eligible until 5 yrs. after retiring, yet Stealers DC Dick LeBeau, who still coaches was inducted a couple of years ago. Anyone know? LeBeau was put in as a player Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: MikeO on September 29, 2012, 11:28:40 am This isn't his first year on the list, though, and the only significant event that he was involved in since the last vote was... well, his death. I do think he should get in eventually, but right after his death (after failing to qualify before) is just pandering. I agree. Plus his Dad just went in and they sorta "shared" that moment so, don't need to see it again so soon. Half the names on that list are a joke. Mark Clayton, I mean I like the guy and all as a good Dolphin but he wasn't close to a hall of fame player. Herschel Walker, please. Did nothing in the NFL and nobody takes the USFL seriously, it's like counting someone's XFL or AFL's stats. It's a joke. Neil Lomax? Really? Drew Bledsoe? Huh? Keenan McCardell? Please. There are a bunch of good names on that list who deserve to get in, but half of that list is a waste of time. Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: Fins4ever on September 29, 2012, 12:24:42 pm The election for HOF'ers is no different from the Pro Bowl selections. There will always be deserving people left out and there will always be those selected for popularity or one great game / year.
Joe Namath is a perfect example. Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: Dave Gray on September 29, 2012, 01:09:47 pm Keenan McCardell.....that's crazy talk.
Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: MikeO on September 29, 2012, 02:03:13 pm Keenan McCardell.....that's crazy talk. Exactly. Everyone who retires doesn't need to be on the Hall of Fame eligibility list in reality. There needs to be a revamped system where a group of people just eliminate some players out of pure common sense. Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: Fins4ever on September 29, 2012, 03:33:01 pm Exactly. Everyone who retires doesn't need to be on the Hall of Fame eligibility list in reality. There needs to be a revamped system where a group of people just eliminate some players out of pure common sense. Isn't there a limit to the number of years you can be considered? I think in baseball, you get 5 shots and that is it. Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: masterfins on September 29, 2012, 04:33:15 pm Ed "Too Tall" Jones
Joe Klecko Warren Sapp Fred Smerlas Both Andersons Steve Tasker Art Modell Title: Re: Hall of fame - prelim list Post by: el diablo on September 29, 2012, 09:18:49 pm Jerome Bettis
Tim Brown Chris Carter Lomas Brown Ed Too Tall Jones Warren Sapp Michael Strahan Art Modell |