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Title: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: dolphins4life on April 15, 2013, 05:15:28 pm
The Boston Marathon was struck by tragedy today as bombs exploded near the finish line.  Heavy casualties were reported. 

To all of you in MA, go to Mass General Hospital and donate blood if you can starting at 7 am.  :( :'(


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 15, 2013, 05:48:51 pm
Every Sunday for the past 3-4 months I have seen a group of about 50 people training for the marathon as a group, they run to raise money for cancer. 


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Dave Gray on April 15, 2013, 05:54:10 pm
Shit sucks.  Some people just can't live in a society.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 15, 2013, 06:46:27 pm

To all of you in MA, go to Mass General Hospital and donate blood if you can starting at 7 am.  :( :'(

Boston Globe is now reporting that the Red Cross has already received more blood donation since the attack that they don't need anymore.   


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Buddhagirl on April 15, 2013, 07:29:53 pm
As an avid runner today has been rough for me. This is kind of our Superbowl. It's a huge deal.

I was following a few of my runner friends throughout the race and Twitter was going crazy with updates. The tone went from bubbly excitement to flat out panic.

Over half of the employees at the running store I work at are up in Boston. We also host all of the Team in Training runs in the area, etc. I know a shitload of people up in Boston today. Some spectating. Others running. So far, everyone has been accounted for.

Just a rough, shitty day all the way around.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Phishfan on April 15, 2013, 07:33:22 pm
I'm glad your friends and associates are OK Buddha. The local news had mentioned there were several hundred people from FL there today. I wondered if you knew anyone.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Buddhagirl on April 15, 2013, 08:42:17 pm
The whole thing sucks, Phish and I'm pretty sure this is going to change road racing. Sad day for distance running.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: dolphins4life on April 15, 2013, 11:28:10 pm
To Hoodie:  That is awesome and it shows how awesome MA is and makes me proud to live there.

To Buddha: Yes it is awful.  My cousin actually was hit with shrapnel waiting for his wife to finish, but luckily he was not injured. 


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Landshark on April 16, 2013, 06:51:33 am
My prayers go out to the victims and their families, as well as the federal agents to do a good job tracking down who is responsible for this senseless act.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Buddhagirl on April 16, 2013, 06:54:19 am
Dolphins, I'm glad your cousin is ok.
I'm still sick to my stomach over this. I hope they find the assholes that did this.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 16, 2013, 01:58:38 pm
http://www.bostonmarathonconspiracy.com/

Someone is using their head.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Brian Fein on April 16, 2013, 02:00:31 pm
^^ I was going to say "Seriously, already? These kooks are ridiculous"

Then I clicked on the link.

Well done.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 16, 2013, 02:32:52 pm
^ my thoughts 100%. 


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Buddhagirl on April 16, 2013, 03:14:43 pm
Slow clap to the domain name owner.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Phishfan on April 16, 2013, 07:41:23 pm
I really don't want to click the link. Can someone offer an overview (which should fall under policy)?


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 16, 2013, 08:22:03 pm
I really don't want to click the link. Can someone offer an overview (which should fall under policy)?

Basically it says...i bought the domain name so a conspiracy nut can't. 


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: mecadonzilla on April 17, 2013, 12:00:55 am
Basically it says...i bought the domain name so a conspiracy nut can't. 

So epic!

I was already tired of having to see the "crazy" Alex Jones and his sheep-like followers have wrought upon us all before this horrible tragedy occurred.  Their attempt to now try to turn this insanity divided by zero to further their own delusions is sickening. 


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Buddhagirl on April 17, 2013, 07:40:13 am
So epic!

I was already tired of having to see the "crazy" Alex Jones and his sheep-like followers have wrought upon us all before this horrible tragedy occurred.  Their attempt to now try to turn this insanity divided by zero to further their own delusions is sickening. 

Alex Jones should be ashamed of himself.
ETA: I just looked it up because I was curious. Alex Jones is only 39. Dude looks 50+. I guess the crazy ages you.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 17, 2013, 11:16:52 am
To Hoodie:  That is awesome and it shows how awesome MA is and makes me proud to live there.



I just heard that some of those blood doners were people who after running 26 mile in a race ran 2 more miles to the hospital to donate blood. 

Wow, just wow. 


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MaineDolFan on April 17, 2013, 01:33:52 pm
It's true.

I don't know if it's immediate, like the press makes it want to sound, but I have two friends who did this.  They finished around the 3:20 mark and were well ahead of the blast.  They were staying over, supposed to go to a celebration dinner that night and other events.  As soon as they heard, they found the nearest donation center, which was about 2.5 miles from their hotel room.  So they hoofed it, still in their running gear.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 17, 2013, 02:32:45 pm
I am confused about how this is a federal crime.

Crime -- absolutely.  Three counts of first degree murder under the laws of Mass, plus various other counts.  But unless the bomb crossed state lines, one of the victims was a federal agent (no evidence of this) this isn't a federal crime.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Phishfan on April 17, 2013, 02:45:30 pm
I am confused about how this is a federal crime.

Crime -- absolutely.  Three counts of first degree murder under the laws of Mass, plus various other counts.  But unless the bomb crossed state lines, one of the victims was a federal agent (no evidence of this) this isn't a federal crime.

I'm sure they are calling it an act of terrorism.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Cathal on April 17, 2013, 02:45:58 pm
If it's an act of terrorism, wouldn't it be a federal case?

P.S. I am no lawyer.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Landshark on April 18, 2013, 08:08:47 am
I am confused about how this is a federal crime.

Crime -- absolutely.  Three counts of first degree murder under the laws of Mass, plus various other counts.  But unless the bomb crossed state lines, one of the victims was a federal agent (no evidence of this) this isn't a federal crime.

Act of terrorism.  Possession and use of weapons of mass destruction.  The Feds will find a way to obtain jurisdiction in this case.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Dave Gray on April 18, 2013, 11:52:45 am
I don't believe those are considered WMDs.  Not to diminish the death and injury suffered, but this wasn't a mass scale.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MaineDolFan on April 19, 2013, 10:50:06 am
190 injured and 3 dead is significant, it's only good luck it wasn't worse.

Intent and potential has to come in to play.  Both bombs had more potential.  Additionally, I am not considering the damage anything to sneeze at. 

If your personal classification of a WMD is a bunker buster, sure.  These weren't WMD's in comparison.  I'm not sure I've actually had an actual classification, other than opinion, on WMD.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 19, 2013, 11:08:22 am
190 injured and 3 dead is significant, it's only good luck it wasn't worse.


Four.

Not insignificant, but less dead then the DC sniper.  In my heart I am for repealing the 8th amendment if the last one is captured alive so he not only be sentenced to death, but sentenced to death by cutting off his balls and having him die by bleeding to death. 

But I still say that this is a state crime of Mass, not a federal crime. 


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MaineDolFan on April 19, 2013, 11:18:18 am
Four including the officer today, yes.

I am talking about the directs from the explosions, including the wounded (which can't be discounted).


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Dave Gray on April 19, 2013, 12:05:41 pm
190 injured and 3 dead is significant, it's only good luck it wasn't worse.

Intent and potential has to come in to play.  Both bombs had more potential.  Additionally, I am not considering the damage anything to sneeze at. 

If your personal classification of a WMD is a bunker buster, sure.  These weren't WMD's in comparison.  I'm not sure I've actually had an actual classification, other than opinion, on WMD.

WMDs are generally used in reference to foreign leaders, like Saddam in the Iraq war.  Again, not to diminish the loss and injury in Boston, but nobody is coming after Saddam for a pressure cooker full of nails.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MaineDolFan on April 19, 2013, 12:14:20 pm
^^Agreed.

Everyone has a different view of "mass", however.  The intention of those pressure cookers versus reality was gravely different.  I'm not trying to compare a pressure cooker to a chemical weapon, but...some of the items we were looking for were also smaller weapons to be deployed in a larger mass distribution level.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Landshark on April 19, 2013, 12:28:57 pm
WMDs are generally used in reference to foreign leaders, like Saddam in the Iraq war.  Again, not to diminish the loss and injury in Boston, but nobody is coming after Saddam for a pressure cooker full of nails.

^^Agreed.

Everyone has a different view of "mass", however.  The intention of those pressure cookers versus reality was gravely different.  I'm not trying to compare a pressure cooker to a chemical weapon, but...some of the items we were looking for were also smaller weapons to be deployed in a larger mass distribution level.

Apparently the people who convicted Tim McVeigh considered what he used to blow up the Murrah Building a weapon of mass destruction.  IMO, any explosive device that can cause significant damage to a structure qualifies as one.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Dave Gray on April 19, 2013, 01:00:52 pm
Maybe this is a meaningless semantics argument, but none of those things are what the rest of the world calls WMDs.  Regular missles or bombs are not.  Bombs or chemical warfare that is designed to indiscriminately wipe out entire populations is what is traditionally called a WMD.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 19, 2013, 01:14:56 pm
Apparently the people who convicted Tim McVeigh considered what he used to blow up the Murrah Building a weapon of mass destruction.  IMO, any explosive device that can cause significant damage to a structure qualifies as one.

Tim McVeigh blew up a FEDERAL building, killing FEDERAL law enforcement agents. 


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Landshark on April 19, 2013, 02:56:34 pm
Tim McVeigh blew up a FEDERAL building, killing FEDERAL law enforcement agents. 

Still used a weapon of mass destruction


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Dave Gray on April 19, 2013, 04:26:50 pm
From the wiki page (which must be true :))

Quote
it has come to distinguish large-scale weaponry of other technologies, such as chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 19, 2013, 05:43:03 pm
Tweet of the day.....

Quote

If you expect #Boston ease up, you are not aware of how we treated Bill Buckner for 18 years after a baseball rolled between his legs.



Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Brian Fein on April 19, 2013, 06:04:25 pm
Something has struck me as odd about this whole thing...

Two kids who everyone says are awesome guys, suddenly turn terrorist and blow up a race.  Odd, but plausible.  I fully believe that the older brother (who is now dead) was the mastermind, or possibly that some third party was the mastermind, and these kids were just mules.

But, furthermore, these same 2 kids (who are supposedly awesome guys who everyone loves) then go rob a convenience store, kill a security guard for no reason, then carjack a car.  All random violence that doesn't seem to fit the description of terrorist bombers, other than the rampant disregard for life.

But here's the part that gets me - they tell the guy they carjacked "we are the Marathon Bombers" - revealing their identity to a random stranger.  And then, later that night, they just stop and let the guy go.  The same guy they confessed to a few minutes ago.  After murdering so many other random strangers.  This strikes me as particularly peculiar, because why would you put the dogs on yourself if you were fleeing? Why wouldn't you have hurt or killed that guy too?

Unless they WANTED to be caught?

If that is so, why can't they find the younger brother?

I fully believe that he has already fled.  They are feverishly searching Watertown, MA, but there's no guarantee he is still there.  He could be in Mexico or Russia by now.

They are starting a press conference, I am interested to hear what they have to say...


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Dave Gray on April 19, 2013, 06:09:26 pm
I think the 2nd guy is already dead somewhere.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Brian Fein on April 19, 2013, 06:15:26 pm
interesting.  Mr. Boston police guy just said they were NOT the ones that robbed the convenience store.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Dave Gray on April 19, 2013, 06:38:46 pm
I could be going off of bad info, but going on what CNN was reporting this afternoon:

The cops had a shootout and killed the one brother when he got out of the car.  The two guys were throwing explosives at the cops.  Then, the younger brother took the wheel and ran over his brother's body. 

How did he get away from a bunch of cops that were shooting at him?  How did he manage to flee?


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Spider-Dan on April 19, 2013, 06:56:29 pm
That was the older brother's robbery accomplice, not the younger brother.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Phishfan on April 19, 2013, 07:33:22 pm
That was the older brother's robbery accomplice, not the younger brother.

Everything I'm reading say it was the two brothers.

Also I hear the "robbery" was unrelated to these two now.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Landshark on April 19, 2013, 09:37:46 pm
Second suspect is in custody. Hopefully they can get some info outta Him


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: el diablo on April 19, 2013, 10:59:10 pm
Depends on Satan's interrogation practices.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: bsmooth on April 20, 2013, 01:51:32 am
Still used a weapon of mass destruction

Truck and car bombs are not considered WMD's....period. They are closer to VBIEDs. There is a select category of weapons that under WMD's. The ones that can do more damage with a single weapon than the largest conventional weapon system.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Brian Fein on April 21, 2013, 10:06:43 am
They reported later that the brothers weren't involved in the robbery, but they were there, hence the store surveillance footage. 

Really?  Seems fishy...

Then why the random murder of the campus cop? That doesn't fit their MO, considering they didn't kill the guy they carjacked.

There are more layers to this onion than we know. I am betting they are tied in with whoever robbed the 7-11 and there are more people out there related to all this.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on April 21, 2013, 07:23:47 pm


But here's the part that gets me - they tell the guy they carjacked "we are the Marathon Bombers" - revealing their identity to a random stranger.  And then, later that night, they just stop and let the guy go.  The same guy they confessed to a few minutes ago.  After murdering so many other random strangers.  This strikes me as particularly peculiar, because why would you put the dogs on yourself if you were fleeing? Why wouldn't you have hurt or killed that guy too?



Warning: Pure speculations.

Here is my theory. 

Most political terrorists want others to know why they committed the act. 

They didn't just tell him that they were the bombers, but gave him their whole litany of grivences against the USA, and they let him live so he could be their "spokesman" explaining why they set the bombs.  The victim recounted what he could recall so that the FBI could follow leads that such intel could provided.  But has declined to act as their mouthpiece.


Title: Re: Tragedy today in Boston
Post by: Pappy13 on April 23, 2013, 09:59:02 am
From the wiki page (which must be true :))
Apparently authorities don't agree with Wiki.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/boston-bomb-suspect-dzhokhar-charged-weapon-mass-destruction/story?id=19013068