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I did NOT expect this.  Any thoughts, guys??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEi7AB8yGI8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSueETQ-_hc

When you draft high you draft Premium positions....CB, OT, Pass Rusher, QB. They feel they got the best pass rusher in the draft. Got no problem with. Wake and Jordan let's put some QB's on their ass!

I have been telling ya for months, 5 picks in the first 3 rounds you trade up! Period! They feel they can still get Albert (maybe even for a 3rd at this point) or if not sign a Winston (who I am not a fan of honestly but whatever, for a 1 year stop gap it would be fine)


If I am Oddrick right now, start packing you might be getting traded tonight or tomorrow!No room for him with Vernon and Jordan.

THANK GOD THEY DIDN'T GO FOR A TACKLE!!! Didn't see this coming. Absolutely stoked about this.

I like this better than taking Lane Johnson. At least they got a playmaker.

Fins Front 7 is scary and its deep! I think they trade Odrick tonight or tomorrow though.

Wake
Starks
Soliai
Jordan
Vernon
Odrick
Misi
Wheeler
Ellerbe

Right now, Tom Brady is on the phone with his insurance agent.

Or Starks and move Odrick inside

Nah. Jordan is gonna be coming in on passing downs or they might play him at outside linebacker. It might be Koa Misi that is the odd man out. This kid is too small to play every down at end at least this year. Maybe in a year or 2 after he puts on a few pounds.

Tough to trade Starks since he was franchised  and a team would have to work out a long-term deal on very short notice before any trade went down.

Give Dion #99!

This pick will make or break Ireland, seems a luxury pick that could go very right or very wrong.

Absofuckinglutely!

What makes you think they won't play him at OLB? I'm certainly not sold on Koa Misi.

They could, I have heard Odrick trade rumors for a while now though. I know Philly really likes him

They didn't need to trade up for this guy. They made some good moves up to now but I think they just made a big draft day mistake.

Don't forget that Miami lost Tony McDaniel and Soliai and Starks won't be around forever. I think Odrick still has value to Miami backing up Soliai and Starks and playing end on run downs. Move Jordan to the line on passing downs and move Odrick inside where he rushes QB's better than Soliai and Starks.

They replaced McDaniel with Vaughn Martin out from SD when they signed him

I was hoping this kid would be our pick.  I'm partial to tall lanky defensive ends/rush linebackers...I fully expected to have to deal with an O-Line pick so I am doubly stoked.   ;D

Could also be insurance in case Starks makes good on his hold out threat.

1) He said he wasn't going to hold out, he just won't do "voluntary" workouts, only mandatory ones and he said he will be at training camp on time. He was at the Uniform revealing tonight. and that wasn't mandatory by any means. Starks isn't holding out

2) Under the new CBA nobody can hold out. well they can be they would go broke by about day 3 of all the hefty fines. Holding out is no longer a realistic option for players

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkyGYvKz30g

Gotta admit, this is pretty impressive. I see him taking a year to really get going, but I think he'll pay dividends this year.

After watching some tape on him the most impressive thing about him is his versatility. He can play anywhere on the field. Inside, outside, on the line, off the line. Hell they had him lined up across WR's. You never knew what was his responsibility on any given play. He's just as likely to drop into coverage as rush the passer. I do see a lot of the versatility that Jason Taylor had, although he's still awfully raw in my humble opinion, but that means he has plenty of upside.

I'm ok with this pick. I really hate giving up the 2nd for him, but I don't think they overpaid to move up into the 3rd overall position. My worst nightmare I thought was coming true when they moved up to third I thought to get Lane Johnson. That would have been an awful decision as I don't see anything special about Johnson, he's just a good tackle that happened to have been in a draft where there were few elite players. At least Jordan has the potential to be elite even if it might be a few years before that happens.

But I also gotta admit I am not in favor of giving the other 2nd round pick for Alberts now unless they get the Davone Bess trade done and can move back up into the 2nd round somehow. There are still a lot of good players out there to be drafted, Miami doesn't need to come away from this draft with only 1 pick in the first 2 rounds after having 3 when the draft started.

Give Tannehill #13!

Please, stop.

Tannehill doesn't look anything like Marino.

OAK, frankly, got raped.

Value of 3rd overall pick is 2200 points.  MIA gave them 1200+480 = 1680 points.  That's between a #5 and a #6.

After thinking long and hard about this, I have to agree.  Although Jordan does fill a need, there were plenty of edge rushers out there that could've been had at the 12th spot or lower. 

If this guy turns out to be a bust, Ireland is done.

Ireland is making moves like his job depends on it.  As he should be.

If MIA doesn't either a) win the division or b) win a wild card game, Ireland is done after this season.  And depending on who comes in to replace him, Philbin could be done too.

ha ha ha, we have been hearing Ireland is done for years yet he is still standing. Ireland is done if the team loses, not whether a draft picks turns out to be good over the next 3 years!

#13 is retired and so is #12. The only other retired number is #39. #99 is fair game for anyone who wants to wear it as is #54

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/26/raiders-came-within-two-minutes-of-taking-hayden-at-no-3/

WOW! Raiders caught a break because they got the guy they wanted at 12 and picked up a 2nd rounder

Truly a trade last night where everyone wins. Miami gets there man. Oakland gets there guy and a pick.

I was just reading an article and I actually really like what Ireland said about him. I'm not a big "next Dan Marino, Emmit Smith, Jerry Rice" kind of a guy so I always kind of cringe when I hear people say that. we all know there is a hell of a lot of work between potential and actuality.

Anyway ... when speaking about him Ireland said "He reminds you of players at that position in the NFL that have had great success." For whatever reason that sounds so much better than "he can/ will be the next Aldon Smith or Jason Taylor".

That's the typical value, but in this draft, there wasn't as much value in the top picks and more value in the 2nd round, so I don't think OAK got raped, but I do think Miami got good value.

I am not a big fan of picking a tweener at #3 overall.  I would run right at this guy on third down.  Looks like he was split out very wide on a lot of his plays and we all saw how wide 9s worked out in Philly.

On a positive note, at least they are focused on getting what they believe to be "play makers", and he should be good against the newer, scrambling style QBs.  

I hope for the best with him, but I am reserved with my optomism.

i'm not a real big fan of ireland as most of his moves seem pretty conservative. omar kelly characterizes him as a guy that just hits "doubles", consistent, boring, value, alll add up to a roster that is 7-9 talent.

the move to go up and get jordan though is freaking awesome. go up and get a game changer, an elite player that is disruptive on the field. this is exactly the type of player the fins need on d. with the speed now at linebacker, and the speed off both edges, miami can play defense aggressive. great, great, great move to get this guy to compliment wake.

Any team that has caused the Patriots problems has hit Tom Brady.  We used to be a thorn in the side of Brady and that was mainly because of Jason. We usually went as Jason went. Having bookend beasts will not only cause Brady some concern but give all the other QBs nightmares. Should be able to get to Luck more this year too!

I don't see him as a tweener. Go watch some tape. He actually does a real nice job setting the edge because he's so tall. He's as tall as most tackles, so he doesn't get swallowed up. Give him a year to add a little weight and he has the frame to put some weight on and he'll do fine.

Miami would love it if you ran on this guy on passing downs.

That's not what I saw at all. I saw this guy lined up all over the place. Compare the 2011 games below with the 2012 games. He was playing down in the dirt in 2011 and standing up in 2012. Chip Kelly's defense is inventive just like his offense.

2012

Vs Stanford (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMoel8E3HaE)

Vs Arizona State (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVicjLxsI_U)

Vs Oregon State/Washington State (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgoAMHO25PQ)

Vs Fresno State (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JATMzVLBA0)

Vs USC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdpzGUxkek4)

Vs Arizona (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X81V6wdvIUY)

2011

Vs Arizona (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiEgdcwIu9I)

Vs Washington (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-I7NzjgPMfs)

Just want to highlight this for MikeO who claims he's never seen anyone discuss Philbin getting fired...

that is the key i think... build a defense that plays d like they are on offense. aggressive and proactive, vs passive and reactive.

nfl is not about power and big guys plodding all over the place anymore. speed, speed, speed is what u need on defense just as much as offense.

I have no problem with the picking Dion, but I have a question for Mike and others who have followed the draft closely - did they have to move up?  Where was Jordan predicted to go? 

I ask because the analyst on ESPN seemed so shocked by the pick.  I got the impression they felt is was a reach. 

IMO, more than likely he would have been there without trading up. On the off chance he was gone, there were plenty of other good picks to be had. It's almost like Ireland and Co. had only one name on their 1st round list and had to have him at all costs. I just don't see the logic. The pick was a solid pick, but given the circumstances, the trade up wasn't worth it.

Cleveland was going to take him. Cleveland had to settle for Mingo, they wanted Jordan it came out. No way Jordan was getting past the Browns. Maybe not past Philly with Chip Kelly (Jordan's old coach) now there.

Jordan wasn't falling to #12

nfl has evolved into something closer to arena league football than parcellsian big, plodding, punishing football.

u need guys that can play in space, and jordan can do that from the de/olb position. rare talent with speed that can cover and rush the passer. definitely worth the risk to trade up and get.

comparisons to jt are not appropriate now, but you can do the same type of things with jordan. things like fake the rush, drop back in coverage ball hawking the middle of the field.

We should've drafted a new logo...

To Jim's point,I saw a lot of Mock drafts going having Jacksonville taking Jordan with 2 (walterfootball,both had Jacksonville taking him at 2)
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts)<--NFL.com had few of them taking Jordan at 2...

The reason the ESPN analysts were so shocked is because everyone thought they were moving up to pick
up Tackle Lane Johnson. It had nothing to do with the fact that Dion Jordan shouldn't have been the
3rd overall pick, it was that everyone thought Miami wanted a tackle, not a DE. They had no idea that
Miami coveted a DE.

I don't think that Miami is nearly as worried about their offensive line as everyone else seems to be.
Remember that Miami has on the roster right now the same players that they finished the season with
last year. I keep telling everyone that's not a bad offensive line, but no one seems to believe me.

These are the stats for the Offense in the last 3 games of the season (W/O Long)

Player          Plays yards TD AVG  AVG TD
Tannehill       109   653   4  6.0  .037
Complete        56    588   4  10.5 .071
Incomplete      32   
Scrambles       10    107      10.7    
Sacked          9     -37      -4.1
Bush            49    197   1  4.0  .020
Miller          21    104      5.0   
Thomas          1     6        6.0
Grand Total     180   960   5  5.3  .028

These are the stats for the Offense in the first 13 games of the season (W/Long)

Player          Plays yards TD AVG  AVG TD
Tannehill       442   2651  10 6.0  .023
Complete        228   2715  8  11.9 .035
Incomplete      155        
Sacked          23    -170     -7.4
Scrambles       22    120   2  5.5  .091
Moore           22    123   1  5.6  .045
Complete        11    131   1  11.9 .091
Incomplete      8          
Sacked          2     -9       -4.5   
Scrambles       1     1        1.0
Bush            179   793   5  4.4  .028
Thomas          91    328   4  3.6  .044
Miller          30    148   1  4.9  .033
Lane            13    18    2  1.4  .154
Grand Total     777   4061  23 5.2  .030

You can presume to say that Cleveland would have taken him, just as I can presume that he would have still been available at #12. At the end of the day, regardless of the rumors out in the wild, nobody knows who would have taken who. Even though this was a solid pick and the trade up had good value attached to it. My point is that this particular player, in my opinion, didn't warrant the #3 pick or moving up to get it. I feel that Jordan would have more than likely been available, if not you go get the next guy on your list. Even if Jordan was gone at #12. Do you not think that there were other players available just as good? It's almost like Ireland HAD to have this guy whatever the cost, at least that's my impression. It looks like a lot of the media and fans feel the same way as far as I can tell.

Sort of interesting to hear how Jordan became,our pick...
Palmbeachblog post from Ben Volin (http://www.mypalmbeachpost.com/news/sports/football/miami-dolphins-move-up-to-no-3-to-select-oregon-pa/nXYMz/?icmp=pbp_internallink_textlink_apr2013_pbpstubtomypbp_launch)

Series of tweets,about how we were targeting Tavon Austin.From Jeff Darlington...
@JeffDarlington: Extremely good value for a player Miami coveted. RT @cortega24: Opinion on MIA trade and pick of D. Jordan?

@JeffDarlington: More on Miami: They also coveted Tavon Austin but knew Bills wanted to trade to Rams outside division. So they took a shot at trade to 3...

@JeffDarlington: So Jeff Ireland took a shot. He called Oakland to see if he could trade up to get best player on his entire board -- even ahead of Tavon...

@JeffDarlington: Ireland knew Oakland wanted Hayden, who was likely to be around at No. 12. So he made his pitch to Raiders. And… they bit on the trade.

@JeffDarlington: Lesson of the day for NFL executives: It never hurts to ask. Ireland couldn't move up to get Austin… so he moved up even more to get Jordan.

@JeffDarlington: On Mar 12, after Dolphins landed Mike Wallace, I tweeted about team's "intriguing"  draft plans. Many have asked for weeks about that tweet.

@JeffDarlington: I feel comfortable now sharing: That plan, at that time, involved the pursuit of Tavon Austin. It was a hope all the way until yesterday.

@JeffDarlington: When Dolphins realized they couldn't get Austin, rather than hitting brakes, Ireland put his foot on the gas pedal… and got Jordan instead.

@JeffDarlington: Both. RT @ATLGreg1: So did Austin price himself out of their interest or did possibility of Jordan only become a reality yesterday?

I'm continuing these tweets because someone will argue,the counter point,I'll let Jeff Answer

@JeffDarlington: Some aren't understanding. MIA rated Jordan higher than Austin. RT @tnps47: Austin was available at 3. Phins couldve had him if they wanted.

@JeffDarlington: I'm baffled by how many of you aren't properly digesting what I'm telling you. RT @christrejo: Why didn't they get Austin with the 3rd?

@JeffDarlington: --> RT @FantasyTMS: Because you aren't telling them what they want to hear.

@JeffDarlington: MT @nightdemonx21: I understand. Ireland was hoping for Filet, but when he got to the restaurant, they were out. So ordered the Kobe beef.

@JeffDarlington: Correct. RT @AMorales916: Simple. When he realized he couldn't go to 8 for Tavon, 3 opened up for Jordan. Jordan rated higher on his board.

Ok, Sorry that's essentially Jeff Darlingtons Twitter feed for the past 10-15 minutes,but it does demonstrate how things change...

Modified to add last tweet

they finished the year better than they started the year with the O-line

i like the job that irelands doing .. i'm comfortable with him at the helm of the team for the next 10 years or so

Really, that's interesting!

Jordan was a Top 5 player in this draft. He wasn't going to fall as far as you think he would

And I think the only other pass rusher just as good as Jordan was Mingo and both would have been gone at #12. The trade was a good trade. Jordan is a Top 5 player in this draft. Taking him at 3 is fine and in the range he was expected to go.

P.S...Cleveland papers reporting they were prepared to take him at 6 or move up to 3 and get him but with no 2nd round pick they couldn't trade up like Miami could.

I know I was thinking "wth" with the pick and I don't base my job off of knowing what sports people are thinking. After review it looks like a very solid pick. Had I been paying attention to pre-draft rankings of other postiions than our little focus group I'd have known that.

If anyone can show me a professional mock draft where Jordan makes it to #12, I will happily concede that he was a reach at #3.

ESPN's three mocks (Kiper (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9204586/2013-nfl-draft-mel-kiper-offers-final-mock-draft-projection), McShay (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9208719/2013-nfl-draft-todd-mcshay-final-first-round-projection), Scouts Inc. (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/9202096/2013-nfl-draft-scouts-inc-complete-seven-round-mock-draft)) had him at #7, #2, #7.
FOX Sports (Schrager (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-mock-draft-luke-joeckel-geno-smith-dee-milliner-matt-barkley-chiefs-jaguars-lions-eagles-raiders-042513)) had him at #4.
Sports Illustrated (King (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/-nfl-draft/news/20130424/2013-nfl-draft-mock-draft-peter-king/)) had him at #4.
CBS's four mocks (Rang, Brugler, Kirwan, Prisco (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft)) had him at #6, #2, #4, #4.
NFL.com's four mocks (Mayock, Jeremiah, Casserly, Brooks (http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts)) had him at #9, #8, #4, #5.

Ireland clearly got a good deal on the price to move up to #3.  The only real question is who you go with.  Would anyone here have been happy to see Ireland give up a first and a second for yet another first-round OLineman?  Should he have picked a DT?  Or went with Tavon Austin, who would have been even more of a reach?

You can make the argument that MIA should have stayed at #12 and gotten someone that turned out to still be available, but the idea that Jordan would still be on the board at #12 when Mingo went off at #6 is... not reasonable.  Of the thirteen mock drafts I just listed, Jordan went off the board before Mingo in all but one (and in that one, Jordan still went off at #8).

Maybe he would be there, maybe he wouldn't be there @ 12. I think there is a good chance he would have been available. If like you say, he was already picked by someone else, you move down your list. A pass rusher isn't our only need, there were other options. I don't mind taking Jordan. However, IMO, he isn't worth a #3 overall pick though. I guess it's moot at this point, I just don't see the logic.

Do you really think it is random coincidence that no one had #99 last year?

That number will certainly be retired and the idea that Jordan should wear it is like saying that T.Y. Hilton could have worn #18 for IND because what's the problem?  It's fair game!

^^I would imagine the reason that no one wore #99 last year is because no one wanted to wear #99 in honor of JT and Dion may not either, but I still think it would be kind of cool if he did. I honestly don't think that JT would mind either. Now if they do decide to retire #99, then that's a different story, but that hasn't happened as of yet.

I really hope they don't retire #99.  I think JT is a HOFer for sure, but to retire his number is going too far IMO.  It's not like he was of Marino status.  (Still not happy about that # retiring either, but I can understand it.)

He wouldn't have been there. His pre-draft rankings were off the charts! The guy was considered a Top 5 pick by everyone and he went in the Top 5. There is no debate about this anymore.

Great post!

JT is a HOF lock and the best defender in Dolphins history.  Not sure what you mean by "Marino status."

And if you're "not happy" about Dan freaking Marino's number being retired, I don't know what to tell you.

Good work Pappy, appreciate the insight there.  I agree, I don't think MIA's off line is in dire need IMO.

Another great post Spidey.

I am slowly warming to the pick, and do respect Ireland having to guts to make such a bold move that didn't cost us the farm, but on the other hand I also have horrific mental scarring from his previous gambles in the upper rounds. White, Merling, Thomas, Jerry, Egnew, etc, not to mention overall the number of top three round picks since 2008 that aren't at the Dolphins anymore is nothing short of scary.

Jordan was mocked universally high (even by Rang, whose review strangely didn't read that great), not sure how much of that was due to the association with Chip Kelly, or the need for pass rushers by a number of teams. His athleticism seems to be the main attraction, along with his potential versatility (something Rang did question), and being picked that high people will expect the next Jason Taylor, LT, or at the very least JPP. High expectations, probably unfair ones, but he is now the number three pick of the draft.

It's not a huge reach by Ireland and he got a good deal moving up, but on the surface it is still a reach and potentially a luxury pick considering we had other crucial needs - if we managed to get Joeckel everyone would be patting him on the back, not that it was a possibility after the Jags pounced. This seems a bigger gamble than Tannehill, a lot bigger one than Pouncey - those were picks that fell within the mock ranges, but were also absolute needs. Granted, this move will hopefully unleash some more Cam Wake on Brady & co, and maybe a top pass rush will help cover our dire lack of quality corners. Cam isn't going to last forever for that matter, his possible long-term replacement is in the wings, but we have other key positions that need 1s, 2s & 3s, not 4s, 5s, & 6s (which I think quotes a certain guy from last year ;) ).

http://landing.newsinc.com/shared/video.html?freewheel=91082&sitesection=sesunsentinel&VID=24770557

Dion Jordan meets Miami media

Fins are already asking Jordan to put "offset language" in his deal hoping he takes it. They tried this last year with Tannehill. They try this every year. No other team asks Top 10 picks to take accept this type of deal. Jordan might be a holdout for a bit at the start of camp this summer like Tannehill was last year missing the first day or two.

Unless Jordan has the worst agent ever and accepts this for some reason.

As we  are about to enter July and are about a month away from the 1st preseason game this is the story to follow!!

Fins still holding tight on the offset language. If Jordan and his agent take on this fight (which Tannehill really didn't, he caved)....it might sabotage Dion's whole rookie season if he misses the first week or so of training camp. Coming off surgery Dion NEEDS to be in an NFL weight room as much as possible.  Not sitting home on the couch and running laps at a high school track.

Very true statement, Mike. But you can't blame someone for looking out for their interests as well. Signing a contract is a mutual agreement. And obviously they're not there yet.

Missing the start of camp easily has much less of an effect on a defensive player than an offensive player. When that offensive player is a QB then is even magnifies the issues. I think Dion will be just fine. It isn't like he is sitting on the couch playing XBOX all the time.

No I am 100% on Dion's side on this

He is coming off a major surgery its a little different

Heard a report today that Jordan's camp is not budging on the offset language.