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Big match up between your two most hated rivals.  (IIRC: other than Dave who hates the Bills the most)

Both barely beat teams that are expected to be weak this year.  Winner will be in first place in the Division.

You know who I am rooting for.

Pats should destroy the Jets.  How Tampa let them hang around in that game is beyond me.  Jets D is O.K, but the offence sucks.

Pats  37  Jets 13

Its one of the two games each season where I root for the sinkhole under the stadium to finally collapse and swallow both teams.

Otherwise, I hate the Jets far more than the Patriots.

I'm going for the Jets just because I can count on them to suck the rest of the way, but, having said that, I won't be sad to see them lose.  ;D

No...not me.  Not even close.  I hate the Jets more than all other teams put together. 

I guess I hate the Bills more than the Pats, though.  They've sucked for so long that it's starting to wear off...but the 90s...ugh.

Anyway, in a matchup like this, I always enjoy seeing Jets fans cry.  But I won't be too upset if the Pats fall, either.

Opps, sorry.  I remember when I asked here about who was the most hated division rival there was exactly one person who said Bills, (with Pats and Jets splitting the rest) I thought it was you, must have been someone else. 

Generally I find older Dolphin fans hate the Jets more, newer Dolphin fans - the Pats. 

You know....it's funny, but I just can't bring myself to hate the Pats.  Of course, they're good, but it's almost an admiration.  This is also because the Pats never really beat the Dolphins....and the Dolphins never really beat the Pats.

Back when the Pats sucked, we were good.  It was that way for a long time.   But now, the Pats are good pretty much every year, but we suck.  So, it's like no rivalry can form because there isn't any crossover.

The Bills, however, were really good when we were ALSO really good.  They kept us from getting places year after year and it was maddening.

I hate the Pats for 2 reasons:

1) Jealousy.  I wish our team was good and was in the playoffs every year

2) apparent bias/bandwagon.  I find that the fans (for the most part) are spoiled and expect excellence.  Going 10-6 is viewed as failure.  Similarly, I feel that they get favorable/preferential treatment from the league and officials, especially a certain QB that wears #12.  We've seen the league make up rules (sometimes, right there on the sidelines) to protect him.

With the exception of 1/12/86.  (As example of a much weaker team beating a better team on any given Sunday, that tops the list)

But yeah, the Bills and Dolphins periods of being good often overlapped.  The Pats-Jet hatred is not just division rivalry, but the drama of Parcells, Belichick & Mangini each leaving to become the head coach of the other.  Cause there really hasn't been that many times were the Jets or Pats got into each others way.  

That would be me.


As I've stated twice before (and keep getting confused with others...) This is why: 



Put me in this category:


To answer the OP, Patriots over Jets

Other than the previously mentioned sinkhole, I'm hoping for a 0-0 tie game, with missed FG's and TD's called back because of penalties.

No Gronk. Now Vereen is on IR and Amedola looks like he won't play either. After the way the Pats played last week against Buffalo, I'd take the Jets +12 right now. How is the spread still that high? -EK

Because no one believes the Jets can field a remotely competent team, while everyone is willing to give the Pats the benefit of the doubt (which, you've gotta admit, they've earned). The spread reflects where people put their money, that's all, so if the injuries don't make bettors change their behavior, the spread won't budge either.

As for the game, I'm with the majority. The Jets will get destroyed. They have no running game and a rookie quarterback with few weapons. That kind of limited offense never does well against the Patriots. So the question becomes, do the Jets have a good defense? I think they'll tire from being on the field all game and the Patriots win by a couple of touchdowns.

God their offense is a massive disaster, but I think the D may be getting overlooked. If the Pats were a healthy team, I agree. Even as it is, they may still win by 20, but I think it's equally likely the game is close. -EK

Geno Smith sucks.  That is all. 

I thought that was a catch before the half.

It reminded me of the Bert Emanuel play.

He's pretty bad right now. I can see why teams fell out of love with him and he fell to Rd 2. Still only his 2nd game ever though

Check the replays again.  The ball clearly moved when it hit the ground.  He failed to get his hands under the ball to secure it.   That's an incomplete pass.

Remind me who said the spread was far too high? -EK

Anyone still sad that we got rid of Clyde Gates?

This guy has all the talent, but hands of stone.  He's another Ted Ginn.  You hope you can coach him up, but this is his third year now and he STILL cannot catch.  I can't believe what I saw.

As for the Thompkins TD, the call was right, the ball definitely moved.  However, there's no possible way to make a diving catch like that without the ball at least moving a little bit.  That rule pretty much outlaws any diving catches.  My opinion, a catch like that should be ruled a catch.

The problem was he had both hands on the top side of the ball - nothing under (not even a single finger). Going to the ground with the ball and hands like that means you're trapping the balling with the ground and that's not allowed. IMHO, it should have been called incomplete even if the ball hadn't shifted. Ball movement in itself isn't what isn't allowed. It's using the ground as part of making the catch.

The Patriots could be a solid team at some point this season, but are you kidding me the receivers there suck. I completely understand letting Welker go ($6 million a year is a lot) and with a very similar player in Edelman (at less than $1 million a year)... but, man, they've been unlucky with their receivers and tight ends this (off-)season.

Unfortunately for the Dolphins, the Pats still managed to eke out two wins. And we don't even get to play them until week 8. I expect they'll be a whole lot tougher then.

Great game last night!!!  Geno throws int's, especially at the end when the Jets need to drive into FG range.  TD overturned against the Pats.  Badly missed FG by the Pats.  Brady pi$$ed over balls dropped that hit the receivers in the hands.  A little melee at the end, then Belichek going crazy because the ejected Jets players didn't leave the field for the final 38 seconds of the game.  Possible suspensions coming for Jets players for throwing punches, and the refs being shoved.  The only problem is this will all be blown over by the time the Fins meet either of these teams.

I think Brady acted like a child last night, and should be ashamed of his behavior.  Throwing temper tantrums on the sideline like a 3rd grader that got his candy taken away.  This guy's supposed to be a role model and a leader?  You must be joking.

Brady said he lost his temper and needs to work on that.  But of all the things from the game I shocked that you would pick that one as something to be ashamed of compared to the behavior of several Jets player that did worse.

^^ I expect the Jets to act like scumbags.  They are the Jets. 

I expect Brady to act like what the media portrays him as - a poster boy and a model citizen.

I don't get why it was overturned.

The ball did touch the ground but I thought after the Bert Emanuel play that it should still be a catch

The ball is allowed to touch the ground, that wasn't the issue. The problem here is that the ground was used to trap the ball AND the ball shifted. That's going to be called incomplete every time. Notice how his hands are on the top part of the ball. Nothing under or even much on the sides. The refs would have had to rule that he had control with that grip AND maintained control when the ball hit the ground AND didn't use the ground to make the catch.

IMHO, the attempt failed on all three points.

merged.  one game not involving the Dolphins doesn't warrant two threads.

I disagree fyo.  It looked to me like the hands were on the side.  He had clear control prior to hitting the ground.  Had he been 8 feet in the air, I think he'd have had more time to bring it in and secure it.

However, when he hit the ground, the shock from the fall caused the ball to move.  This means he lost control for a split second.  Loss of control + ball hit the ground = incomplete pass. 

I don't like the rule, but you have to try to quantify what constitutes making a catch.  By the way the rules are written, it was the correct call.

Looking at it again frame-by-frame (there's a very nice slowmo from head on), I probably have to cede that point. His hands were mostly on top with the right and left thumbs/index fingers almost touching, but his hands are so large that most of the hand is on the side and at least a pinky appears to be under.

Additionally, the ball doesn't just shift, like I thought it did. It actually tumbles completely over.

Bottom line, for that to be a catch, he has to keep his hands under the ball or so tightly held it doesn't move when the ground is struck.