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Title: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: Brian Fein on September 30, 2014, 01:37:10 pm
Yeah, I said it.  Here's why:

Week 1 head to head, Dolphins win.

Common opponents:
Patriots vs Raiders: at home, Patriots squeak out a win by 7 after McFadden game-tying TD is called back.
Dolphins vs Raiders: Dolphins romp them by 24

Patriots vs Chiefs: Patriots got crushed, and didn't score first points until second half
Dolphins vs Chiefs: Dolphins were in the game down by 6 in the mid-4th quarter.  Lose by 19, thanks to 2 late TD's.

QB comparison (thru 4 games):
Ryan Tannehill: 60% comp, 902 yds, 6 TD, 3 INT
Tom Brady: 59.1% comp, 791 yds, 4 TD, 2 INT

(I'm not saying Tannehill is better than Brady, but right now, he's playing better.)

With Miami getting a bunch of guys back after the bye, the Patriots seeming to regress quickly, Buffalo just benched their QB, and the Jets are, well, the Jets, I think Miami has a real shot at taking the AFC East this season.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: Fau Teixeira on September 30, 2014, 02:05:40 pm
if they can figure out how to beat buffalo when they play again, you may be right


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: MikeO on September 30, 2014, 02:18:50 pm
GB...Chicago....Jax are the Fins next 3 opponents.  Gotta win 2 out of those 3 games


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: Brian Fein on September 30, 2014, 02:40:12 pm
I think GB is beatable at home but will be a tough game.  I think Jax is a gimme.  Chicago on the road will be a challenge, but not impossible.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: miamid45 on September 30, 2014, 06:28:48 pm
Agree totally.  It so painfully obvious that our division is there for the taking.  Here's why:

1.  Our offense is by far the most complete in the division.  Ranking the offense from 1 to 4 in our division:

QB : Tannehill a strong 2nd behind Brady.
RB:  With a healthy Moreno, I give us the edge over Buffalo.  #1
WR & TE :  WR's #1... TE's 2nd or 3rd...GRONK still the best.
OLINE :  2nd but gaining fast... PATS dead last, that OLINE will kill Brady.

2.  Our Defence in my opinion are the best, followed by the Jets and Bills.  No one can get after the QB like us, and getting back some missing pieces will only help us.

Things can turn quickly, but our next 3 games are against sub par defences, and two of those games are in Florida.

Still on record as wanting Philbin gone, but we'll leave that to the off season.  Just want to see the playoffs, especially in an ordinary AFC this season.  After the Broncos and Bengals, the rest is a crap shoot.

Go Fins.  Run that ball down everyone's throat!




Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: fyo on September 30, 2014, 06:53:59 pm
^ With the exception of Grimes, our secondary is pretty suspect.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: DZA on September 30, 2014, 08:11:29 pm
I wont be surprised if the fins go 1-2 .   Green bay and Chicago  are not going to be easy.  Jax may surprise as well.  When it rains it pours, you not going to know which Dolphin team will show up to play


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: dolphins4life on September 30, 2014, 10:13:34 pm
my response is to the title of this thread

Great, maybe we can cut short the rest of the season now  ::)


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: Spider-Dan on September 30, 2014, 10:56:14 pm
The topic of this thread would be a more comforting thought if MIA wasn't constantly losing to BUF.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: masterfins on October 20, 2014, 03:26:50 pm
I think GB is beatable at home but will be a tough game.  I think Jax is a gimme.  Chicago on the road will be a challenge, but not impossible.

Well you were right on two of two, hopefully you are right about the Jax game.  At this point you have to think Miami will win at least eight games.  If they keep playing like they have, and improving, then ten wins are a possibility.  The key is avoiding back to back losses to keep the negativity out of the lockerroom.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on October 20, 2014, 06:13:32 pm
10 wins mean we go 7-3 the rest of the way. There is nothing about this team's inconsistency and it's terrible coaching that should make anyone think 10 wins are a possibility.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: masterfins on October 20, 2014, 06:30:00 pm
^^^ Very Winnable games - Jags, Lions, Bills, Jets 2X, and Vikings, thats (6).  Then one win against either Chargers, Bronco's, Ravens, or Pats, makes (7) wins.  The Bronco's game is the only game I see them with almost zero chance of winning.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on October 20, 2014, 06:40:12 pm
-Jags should be a win.
-Lions are 5-2 WITHOUT Megatron for a few games. This belongs in the tough pile because he should be healthy when we play them.
-Bills own us, this is a loss.
-Jets are truly awful, but a split is more likely.
-Vikings are hot garbage, should be a easy win.
 
That's 3-3 right there, our current record. Now, throw in the tough games and 7-9 is more likely. We are the Dolphins for a reason and that's because we lose games we have no business losing like to Green Bay and Buffalo.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: MikeO on October 20, 2014, 06:59:10 pm
-Jags should be a win.
-Lions are 5-2 WITHOUT Megatron for a few games. This belongs in the tough pile because he should be healthy when we play them.
-Bills own us, this is a loss.
-Jets are truly awful, but a split is more likely.
-Vikings are hot garbage, should be a easy win.
 
That's 3-3 right there, our current record. Now, throw in the tough games and 7-9 is more likely. We are the Dolphins for a reason and that's because we lose games we have no business losing like to Green Bay and Buffalo.

Bills game is a Thursday night game in Miami. Road teams on these short weeks have had a rough go of it all year. The only time the home team loses is when the home team flat out stinks (Washington and Houston, and Houston almost came storming back to win it.) Bills without Jackson and Spiller as well. That game won't be a loss for Miami. That game is tailor made for a Dolphins win.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: Cathal on October 20, 2014, 07:26:20 pm
-Jags should be a win.
-Lions are 5-2 WITHOUT Megatron for a few games. This belongs in the tough pile because he should be healthy when we play them.
-Bills own us, this is a loss.
-Jets are truly awful, but a split is more likely.
-Vikings are hot garbage, should be a easy win.
 
That's 3-3 right there, our current record. Now, throw in the tough games and 7-9 is more likely. We are the Dolphins for a reason and that's because we lose games we have no business losing like to Green Bay and Buffalo.

This is more likely what will unravel.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: Dolphster on October 21, 2014, 08:52:15 am
I heard Mike and Mike on ESPN during the drive to work this morning and although they were talking about a different team, their point seems to apply to the Fins as well.  It kind of goes back to the other point about the Dolphins finding a way to lose games that they shouldn't lose.  They are an average to just above average team.  And teams that fall into that category cannot afford to make mistakes.  As I thought about Mike and Mike's comment, I think that although it sounds like a really simple and obvious statement, it really does say a lot about the difference between the elite teams and the average teams.  A really good team finds a way to win even when they are not playing at their best or when they make stupid mistakes.  An average team wins when they are playing at their best.  Average teams just don't seeem to overcome mistakes very often. 


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: Phishfan on October 21, 2014, 09:25:01 am
We are the Dolphins for a reason and that's because we lose games we have no business losing like to Green Bay

This isn't a knock on you but more of an observation on how people think. After the game is played it is considered one Miami shouldn't have lost. Before the game was played hardly anyone thought it was one Miami should win. That's why I don't even comment on these long term projections because every Sunday brings something new in the NFL.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: Dolphster on October 21, 2014, 10:25:19 am
Good point.  Although I was disappointed that the Fins let the Green Bay game slip away, once that initial disappointment wore off, I was actually pretty proud of the guys for making the game as close as they did. 


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: masterfins on October 21, 2014, 12:16:55 pm
-Jags should be a win.
-Lions are 5-2 WITHOUT Megatron for a few games. This belongs in the tough pile because he should be healthy when we play them.
-Bills own us, this is a loss.
-Jets are truly awful, but a split is more likely.
-Vikings are hot garbage, should be a easy win.
 
That's 3-3 right there, our current record. Now, throw in the tough games and 7-9 is more likely. We are the Dolphins for a reason and that's because we lose games we have no business losing like to Green Bay and Buffalo.

Yeah the Lions could go in the tough pile, but who knows if Megatron will be 100%, and Bush is injured on and off, throw in the fact Miami's D has been tough on opposing QB's is why I put it in the easier pile, but I could see it in with the tough games.  Bills just lost their top two RB's, and Orton is their QB, they better win that game (only worry is Watkins).  I think your right the Jets games may be a split, just because their divisional rivals.  However, I think Miami will win more than one of the tough games.  That's also the way Miami plays, win against a better team, then lose to a lesser team.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: Sunstroke on October 21, 2014, 04:33:22 pm

With the way Detroit is playing on defense right now, I'd consider them one of the 3-4 toughest opponents Miami could possibly face. They are also about to get Calvin back, Bush and Bell are both healthy, and Stafford is still Brett Favre's second cousin on the gunslinger side of the family.

If Miami could beat Detroit, in Detroit, I would be greatly surprised. Pleasantly so, but surprised nonetheless.



Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: Brian Fein on October 21, 2014, 05:32:46 pm
I went through this just last week, and I guess we'll see how well I did in a coupla months.

I counted the Bears as a close loss, but I'm glad I underestimated it.

Jax - win
San Diego, to me, is terribly overrated, and will travel cross country. The Dolphins should win this game.
(of course this means the Dolphins will have won 3 straight, which never happens)
Detroit will be a loss, but I don't think it'll be a blowout
Buffalo will be a loss, for the same reason why they lost last time. They cause matchup problems for Miami.
Broncos - I don't think anyone thinks we have a shot to go into Denver and win.
Jets are hot garbage, and I'm going to the game, so we are going to win.
Ravens, tough game, but probably a win.  Playoff teams win these late-season home games against above-average opponents.
Patriots - loss because of the home field. I think this will also be a tight game.
Vikings, Jets - both wins at home to end the season.

To me, this puts the team at 9-7 and maybe a tiebreaker away form the last WC spot.  If you want to make a splash and be a contender, you win the buffalo game and the Ravens game, and maybe even the Patriots game.  Win all three of those and people will have to pay attention.  They are all winnable games against tough opponents, but I think we won't win more than 1 of them.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: Dave Gray on October 21, 2014, 05:41:35 pm
Whenever I look at winnable games, I try to take emotion out of it and think whether or not we'll be favored.  I think we'll be favored in 3 of the next 4 games, and I think that 3-1 in that stretch would be good.  If you can steal a win against the Lions, you're right back where you need to be.


Title: Re: The Dolphins are a better team than the Patriots right now
Post by: masterfins on October 21, 2014, 06:49:27 pm
Another thing to look at is Miami winning the division.  The Pats have five wins, and need at least 5 more wins, and they have six tough games ahead: Bears (who are desperate for a win), Broncos, @ Colts, Lions, @ Packers, @Chargers...a pretty tough schedule.  Then they finish with the Dolphins, @ Jets, & the Bills.  The Jets and Bills will make them work for the wins.  The Pats could easily go 3-3 over the next six games, and Miami could be tied or ahead in the standings with three games to go in the season.