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Title: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MikeO on October 22, 2015, 09:15:09 am
Rex Ryan is an utter disaster anywhere he goes and has some of the worst luck I have seen any head coach have. Since their win at Miami Week 3 look at how this team has fallen apart

-Starting QB injured and misses 2 games
-Percy Harvin about to announce his retirement
-Sammy Watkins goes public upset with the coaches and he is now injured
-Mario Williams upset with the coaches and goes public with it
-Lose 2 home games to Giants and Bengals each by double digits (and were very fortunate to get a 1pt win vs the Titans)

The honeymoon for Rex is over and their season has blown up very quickly.


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: CF DolFan on October 22, 2015, 09:23:33 am
And yet how many people were saying they wish he was our coach? His motivational rah-rah only goes so far. People are comparing Campbell to him but Campbell is doing it differently. He elevates while gaining their respect and i think he will have a more lasting effect on the guys playing for him.



Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: Phishfan on October 22, 2015, 09:55:24 am
Rex reminds me of a hockey coach who just found a new job, John Tortorella. They come in with a bang and get everyone fired up for a short time and then it fades into dissatisfaction. I must say it appears that it may be happening in Buffalo quicker than I expected.


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MikeO on October 22, 2015, 10:03:13 am
Rex reminds me of a hockey coach who just found a new job, John Tortorella. They come in with a bang and get everyone fired up for a short time and then it fades into dissatisfaction. I must say it appears that it may be happening in Buffalo quicker than I expected.

I agree totally.


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 22, 2015, 02:04:23 pm
He is a great DC but not HC material.   This is not news, I have been saying this since his first year with the Jets


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on October 22, 2015, 06:31:19 pm
I wanted him in Miami and I am surprised at how quickly it has gone downhill. Like you said, they were handed the Titans win too, so they should be 2-4 with one of those being the Miami win when Miami was in "Hopefully THIS gets us a new coach" mode.

The defense fell apart, it's not even their offense which doesn't appear to be that bad. Tyrod has been okay, pretty up and down but he is essentially a rookie with lots of interning. So, they have to consider themselves lucky he has played this well. No idea what happened to the defense since that is Rex' specialty.

If this team was going to go 8-8, I would've said due to no offense and a great defense. That's not happening so far. Screw them of course, just surprised. In Week 9, I would actually take Miami over them.


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on October 25, 2015, 07:29:48 pm
Rex Ryan trolled Doug Marrone today by having the Bills whole O-Line serve as honorary captains for the coin toss. Of course, Doug Marrone famously quit Buffalo last year looking for a better HC job and only managed to become the Jags O-Line coach. While Buffalo is paying him $4 Million of course.

It was a funny move except that the Bills lost and are now 3-4 and that includes a gift win by Tennessee and a win over Miami during the Philbin Era. So, Buffalo is one of the worst teams in the NFL and their defense sucks.


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: miamid45 on October 25, 2015, 08:48:08 pm
His post game press conference was laughable.  He looked like he was going to cry. ???


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MikeO on October 28, 2015, 01:20:49 pm
http://www.syracuse.com/axeman/index.ssf/2015/10/bills_wr_sammy_watkins_lashes_out_at_fans_on_instagram.html

Now Sammy Watkins is fighting with fans online!


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: Sunstroke on October 28, 2015, 02:25:25 pm

^^^ Sammy's comment about "y'all keep working your little jobs..." guarantees that I will NEVER cheer for this guy, even if he ends up on the 49ers or Dolphins. There is no room in my heart for a self-entitled condescending prick like that.




Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: dolphins4life on October 28, 2015, 07:01:28 pm
Well, Rex did take two Jets teams to the AFC title game.



Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MikeO on October 28, 2015, 10:58:54 pm
Well, Rex did take two Jets teams to the AFC title game.



Do they pass out rings for that? Do they throw parades for that? WHO GIVES A SHIT? Getting to the AFC Title game and losing is NOT an accomplishment you brag about.


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 29, 2015, 03:27:45 am
(https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/banner.jpg?w=246)


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MikeO on October 29, 2015, 06:29:36 am
(https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/banner.jpg?w=246)

I wouldn't call putting up a little banner the same as throwing a parade or passing out a ring. Not quit the same level


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: Dolphster on October 29, 2015, 08:05:21 am
I realize that we now live in a society where everyone gets a participation trophy and told how special they are.  But I would be freaking embarrassed if I was a player and they had a banner in my stadium that bragged about being a "finalist".   


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on October 29, 2015, 09:13:10 am
That banner will never stop being funny. It's a goddamn meme now.


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: Dolphster on October 29, 2015, 09:33:42 am
That banner will never stop being funny. It's a goddamn meme now.

"like" button.    ;D


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 29, 2015, 02:40:32 pm
I wouldn't call putting up a little banner the same as throwing a parade or passing out a ring. Not quit the same level
Putting up a banner pretty clearly qualifies as "bragging."

Here (http://demilvastudio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/IMG_0692.jpg) is more context.

edit: In all fairness to the Colts, this is something of a tradition for them:

(https://talleywhackers.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/colts.jpg)

And if we're going to talk about pathetic banners that only remind one of failure, we can't ignore this one:

(https://nesncom.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/patriots-banner.jpg?w=400)


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MikeO on October 29, 2015, 03:01:36 pm
If you compare putting up a banner like that stating hey we came in 2nd place, which there is no ceremony that is just put up with no pomp and circumstance around it to THROWING A PARADE down main st of any major city where they stop traffic and the city comes to a halt or holding a ceremony to pass out actual rings and jewelry to players, I don't know what to tell ya. To most people it's not the same or even close!

I don't see the banners as bragging, it's just decorations inside a stadium.  If before a game they turned down the lights, played some over the top song and slowly removed a curtain to display the banner, that is one thing and bragging. With those banners that didn't happen and were put up on some Wednesday or Thursday in June or over the summer, took 5 minutes to put up and that was the end of it. No ceremony to display that where the fans stood and cheered and went  wild


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 29, 2015, 03:56:11 pm
Not sure how the Patriots banner somehow wound up in a thread about Rex Ryan and the Bills but....whatever.

Here is my take....

Going 16-0 in the regular season is pretty damn impressive, despite a fluky helmet catch.

Plenty of people like to make fun of the Bills, for their SBs.  I don't.  I think being the only team to 4peat the conference championship is pretty damn impressive. 

If you hold the view that NEP 2007 season was as much a failure as the Dolphins 2007 season than I say this...Dan Marino was a horrible failure as a QB that should never have been inducted in the HOF!  No I don't really believe that about Danny.  But if the Bills are four time failures and the 2007 NEP didn't accomplish something amazing...than Dan has to be judged by the same metric. 
 


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 29, 2015, 04:02:43 pm
^^^He is.  If he had won just one Superbowl, he would be considered the greatest QB of all time.  Instead, you'll be lucky to find a list where he's in the top 5.


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 29, 2015, 04:10:10 pm
If you compare putting up a banner like that stating hey we came in 2nd place, which there is no ceremony that is just put up with no pomp and circumstance around it to THROWING A PARADE down main st of any major city where they stop traffic and the city comes to a halt or holding a ceremony to pass out actual rings and jewelry to players, I don't know what to tell ya. To most people it's not the same or even close!
You're the only one trying to change the subject to parades.  You originally said, "getting to the AFC Title game and losing is NOT an accomplishment you brag about," but putting up a banner (the SAME SIZE banner you put up for your division titles) clearly shows that at least one team thinks otherwise.

If you hold the view that NEP 2007 season was as much a failure as the Dolphins 2007 season than I say this...Dan Marino was a horrible failure as a QB that should never have been inducted in the HOF!  No I don't really believe that about Danny.  But if the Bills are four time failures and the 2007 NEP didn't accomplish something amazing...than Dan has to be judged by the same metric.
...except that that isn't a banner celebrating Tom Brady's 16-0 season; it's a banner celebrating the team's undefeated regular season.

You're trying to conflate individual accomplishments and performance with team accomplishments and performance.  No one saying that Tom Brady is a failure for 18-1, nor are they saying that Jim Kelly is a failure for losing 4 straight Super Bowls.  Have the Dolphins raised a banner celebrating Dan Marino's 1984 season?  If not, then your point is invalid.

And no, I don't think the 2007 NE season was as much of a failure as the 2007 MIA season.  After all, lots of teams have went 1-15, but only one has went 16-0 and then lost in the playoffs.


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MikeO on October 29, 2015, 05:18:58 pm
You're the only one trying to change the subject to parades.  You originally said, "getting to the AFC Title game and losing is NOT an accomplishment you brag about," but putting up a banner (the SAME SIZE banner you put up for your division titles) clearly shows that at least one team thinks otherwise.
...except that that isn't a banner celebrating Tom Brady's 16-0 season; it's a banner celebrating the team's undefeated regular season.


I brought up parades first (in passing when talking about Rex)  which you responded to. So if you didn't want to talk about "parades" or have it be part of this discussion why respond to my post??   Putting up a banner like that isn't bragging, and most level headed people would agree. You think it is bragging. I don't. Sorry, believe what ya want I really don't care.  If you just put up a banner and don't do a celebration around it or have a ceremony, that ain't bragging. That's just dressing up the stadium.

If before the first game of the year they turned off the lights prior to kickoff, played some rock music and the fans cheered as a curtain came down to reveal the banner for the first time.....THAT'S BRAGGING!!! Putting up a banner in the middle of summer that most people won't even notice when they go to the stadium in the fall or pay attention to, not bragging! Every team does it.

How the F' you derailed this thread is beyond me. Good job though


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 29, 2015, 06:31:26 pm
So then, to be perfectly on topic:

Rex Ryan took the Jets to two consecutive AFC title games.  At least one NFL team appears to consider that feat equivalent to winning a division title.  So by that standard, it is an accomplishment of note (particularly since the Jets have only won two division titles since the merger).


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MikeO on October 29, 2015, 09:11:15 pm
So then, to be perfectly on topic:

Rex Ryan took the Jets to two consecutive AFC title games.  At least one NFL team appears to consider that feat equivalent to winning a division title.  So by that standard, it is an accomplishment of note (particularly since the Jets have only won two division titles since the merger).

Some accomplishment they fired him a few years later!  ::)


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: dolphins4life on October 29, 2015, 11:25:06 pm
Do they pass out rings for that? Do they throw parades for that? WHO GIVES A SHIT? Getting to the AFC Title game and losing is NOT an accomplishment you brag about.

So any coach who doesn't win a Super Bowl is an utter disaster?


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MikeO on October 29, 2015, 11:30:30 pm
So any coach who doesn't win a Super Bowl is an utter disaster?

No. But a coach with a lifetime record under .500 and who runs his mouth and can't back it up IS an utter disaster


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 30, 2015, 02:53:48 pm
(particularly since the Jets have only won two division titles since the merger).

five times:  2002,1998, 1986, 1985, 1981. 


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MikeO on October 30, 2015, 03:01:25 pm
five times:  2002,1998, 1986, 1985, 1981. 

Dolphins won the AFC East in 1981 and 1985. Pats won it in 1986.


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on October 30, 2015, 03:05:12 pm
than why did ne play at the Jets? 


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: MikeO on October 30, 2015, 03:07:45 pm
than why did ne play at the Jets? 

what year?


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 30, 2015, 04:11:04 pm
five times:  2002,1998, 1986, 1985, 1981. 
I don't know where you are getting your info, but it's way off.

In '81, '85, and '86, the division didn't even come down to tiebreakers; NYJ finished a game behind the division winner in all of those years.  In 1985, the 11-5 Patriots played at the 11-5 Jets because the 12-4 Dolphins won the division.

The city of Baltimore has twice as many AFC East titles as the Jets.  Think about that.


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: masterfins on October 30, 2015, 04:13:39 pm
I don't know where you are getting your info, but it's way off.

In '81, '85, and '86, the division didn't even come down to tiebreakers; NYJ finished a game behind the division winner in all of those years.  In 1985, the 11-5 Patriots played at the 11-5 Jets because the 12-4 Dolphins won the division.

The Dolphins were once 12-4?? So, so long ago...


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 30, 2015, 04:14:57 pm
Yup, only 1998 and 2002 where they won the division.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_seasons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_York_Jets_seasons)


Title: Re: The Bills and Rex Ryan
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on December 13, 2015, 04:59:22 pm
Bills fall to 6-7 with today's loss and basically end their season. They probably need to win out and have several teams lose out to make the playoffs. Their defense fell off a cliff this season somehow, they are very undisciplined and Tyrod has more nicknames than any  QB should who can't complete simple passes. His QB Rating is insanely misleading. Iif he didn't have Watkins making great plays, his numbers would look worse.

Fuck 'em, let them join us in purgatory again during the draft.