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It was super popular just a few years ago.  Mainstream, sponsors, interesting storylines, promoted on major networks.  They made it very accessible.  But it seems that it's kinda back to being a niche.

Any ideas on what may have caused that?  Or am I reading this wrong?

I think the core of NASCAR support never really changed.  D Patrick briefly brought others into the sport, but as she began to fade so did the temporary fans.

I'm not really someone to ask this to as I never really paid attention to the sport at all. I do know this much though, having Dale Jr retire at the end of this season is only going to hurt it more.

I watched Nascar very casually about 7 years ago.  It was just on TV on the weekends and I would put on the race and have a little nap.  But FOX pushed it really hard and they did a good job explaining things to people who weren't traditional fans.

Then I had kids and I don't really get to have random stuff on TV while I take a nap on the couch.  I think that best explains where my fandom went.

If I want to see someone driving really-really fast, I'll step down harder on the accelerator...

+1 to what Hoodie and Phish said...I'd add Nascar losing Tony Stewart 2016,and Jeff Gordon in 2015 retirements, and Dale jr missing half the year last year (retiring after this year) These were guy's you'd see in advertisements for their sponsors.(Even in the racing offseason)

I was never a fan of Nascar,but I'd watch a race every once in awhile (Daytona 500),and could name a handful of drivers.I could probably come up with a couple,but if I had a name the driver game, I'd fail miserably.

I'd agree with what others have said about losing star drivers.  I'd add two other things also - Constant tinkering with the rules, even in the middle of the season.  Secondly, price; they were so hot for a while that they raised the prices so much for attending a race that they priced many fans out.  It really is a "sport" that generates new fans from people actually attending a race.  Not to mention some people actually identified with a driver/car because of the company sponsoring the team (Budweiser, Miller Lite, etc.), now the cost to sponsor a team is so high that companies are only sponsoring a portion of the season.

Seems like NASCAR and UFC are experiencing similar turns.

^ Yeah, kinda.  I still see interest in UFC but it's just anecdotal -- what I see when I go to bars and stuff.

^^^ And it appears to me that interest in bars is fading as well. It used to be a big thing to find out what bar had purchased the fight package and now I don't hear anyone talking about it.

Because every bar has the package these days

What UFC was just sold for last year tells you how big that business has grown! UFC is printing money these days

That is a pipe dream. You countered my saying no one is even discussing it by saying they all have it on the TV. Alternative facts are not real things.

^ I have an alternate theory on that.  I remember that I used to call around and find the fights and plan that way.  But then, I found a bar that always has them, so the group goes there by default.  It's always full on fight night.  ...but I haven't been in a while.

Because before only a few bars had the package  in each town or city so all the fans would jam into one or two bars, making it seem like this was a huge event that had to be seen creating a "bar atmosphere" of a big event. Now when EVERY bar has it people can go to any bar and watch it and they do. So instead of having one or two bars locally jammed packed to watch the event creating an atmosphere you might have 10 people at this bar, 4 at that bar, 6 at another bar. So it doesn't seem like its a huge event anymore because you can watch it everywhere.

What UFC was just sold for tells you how popular it is, they just are so over-saturated with product and being on TV literally everywhere now (unlike the old days.) It went from being an underground thing where you only a) buy at home on PPV for like $70 bucks or b) go to just 1 or 2 bars locally that had the package  to now being something you can watch literally at any bar in America. Making it main-stream and losing its edge. While it's lost it's edge it hasn't lost it's profits! Get it, got it, good!

I'll repeat, pipe dream. What you are stating is not reality. I'm telling you (and I would wager money I spend more time in more bars than anyone on this board) that the PPV fights are not in every bar. You are giving alternative facts so I can't do anything if you believe it, but it just isn't true. If anything, the truth is the exact opposite of what you are saying. Years ago more bars were buying the package and they stopped. There were too many places and the fights were not making enough money for the bar. You see, bars have to pay more for a fight than a person sitting at home. The TV packages charge them based on bar capacity so one fight is pretty damn expensive. No bar is going to buy a fight and have 4 people show up unless they plan on taking losses as a business. Is it possible you don't know the difference between the regularly televised fight and the PPV ones? The key to our discussion is I brought up a purchased package. You can find MMA on the regular TV without paying extra but that isn't our discussion. Dave has the best possible explanation, people have figured out the one bar that shows the fight and just go there without discussing it or searching for it.

You can type pipe dream as much as you want, fact is I am correct and those fights are in every bar these days. Maybe not in the backwood town you live in with one stop-light and one-high school, but in most average sized to large typical American cities they are. You clearly don't know their business model with the UFC Fight Pass (their online service)  and how their pricing has also changed on the bar pricing package when they rolled out their UFC fight pass streaming service online. But I don't have time to educate you on the UFC business model and how they sell their fights these days and all of their revenue streams. So, live in the bubble and keep typing pipe dream over and over again since it seems to make you feel better.

Albany, NY is a pretty big city.  When I lived there it was on in ONE bar on a street with over 20 bars. The same one bar that showed every NFL game, as opposed to the other bars that had just Jets and a Giants or whoever was national game.

Alternative facts are not real!

#1 Orlando was a backwoods town at one point (before either of us was alive) but it is far from it now. The fact is, you have made a completely false statement and everyone here knows it. Hell, EVERY bar doesn't even have the Sunday Ticket. You are just spouting false information and hoping someone buys into it.
#2 I called the promoter listed on UFC's official website just to make sure I'm correct (bet you didn't expect that). For a bar to broadcast a UFC PPV event it is based on fire code occupancy. It is $2363 for a single fight based on a 300 seat business. They have a three fight deal where you can spend $1895 on each fight.
#3 According to UFC's own website Fight Pass doesn't even include the live events we are discussing

DOES MY FIGHT PASS SUBSCRIPTION INCLUDE LIVE UFC PAY-PER-VIEW EVENTS?
No, live Pay-Per-View events are sold on a standalone basis on UFC.tv. These events become part of the vast FIGHT PASS library approximately one month later.
http://www.ufc.com/faq-ufctv-ufcfightpass?id=

Alternative facts are not real!

I never said UFC Fight Pass gave you PPV's....SMH! Read what I wrote again. I said "You clearly don't know their business model with the UFC Fight Pass (their online service)  and how their pricing has also changed on the bar pricing package when they rolled out their UFC fight pass streaming service online. "

Did I ever say the PPV's are on fight pass? NO! I am saying when they came out with Fight Pass they changed ALL OF THEIR PRICING MODELS ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE THEIR BUSINESS OVERALL CHANGED!! So the bar price changed and went down!!! Hence, damn near every bar carries it now! They changed their entire business model and re-shaped it.  I'm done trying to bring you into reality. If you want to hold into incorrect beliefs and type alternative facts over and over again cause it makes you think you are oh so witty (even though its a played out term at this point) go for it.

I know what i am talking about and am correct.

I think my job is done here. You have admitted you were either caught trying to pass off false information or you are only interested in a straw man argument since I have repeated that the discussion is about PPV fights.

Not at all. I have said multiple times now that UFC changed their business model and pricing across the board...INCLUDING PPV's and their BAR PPV package when they rolled out their UFC Fight Pass service! Just because PPV's aren't provided on UFC Fight pass doesn't mean they didn't change their PPV and BAR PPV pricing at that time.  It's a simple concept to understand.  You refuse to accept that and I can't help you with that if you accept to refuse facts and ignore reality.

Enjoy your Sunday

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