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ESPN announced they are letting go of 100 employees, of which about 50 are well known.  There is very little I watch on ESPN anymore.  Scott Van Pelt is about the only personality on the channel that I like.  Most of their other sports talk shows are just unwatchable.  And I'm sick of the political atmosphere they bring to all of their reports.  Just give me the dang scores and highlights.

Jayson Stark,Ed Werder,Doug Padillia,and  Trent Dilfer are getting laid off (coming out so far on Twitter)

I've hated ESPN for quite a while now to the point I hate when they carry the Cubs game,or Dolphins games.I feel for the people,we don't know,that might struggle to get jobs.I feel bad for the people,and I could care less about the network,that helps inflate my Directv bill.

Deadspin via reddit is keeping a running Talley of the people that are gone
https://deadspin.com/a-running-list-of-espn-layoffs-1794664091 (https://deadspin.com/a-running-list-of-espn-layoffs-1794664091)

IIRC correctly, 5 or 6 years ago, ESPN launched about 20 city bureaus.  Hiring a bunch of beat reporters, I wonder if that is going away?

I know for the NFL, they switched from 8 division beat reporters to 32 team beat reporters about 3 years ago.  James Walker was assigned to the AFC East, and he stayed on with the Dolphins' beat.

Walker was the one guy I checked to see if he was still employed and so far, he was.

Please let one of them be Stephen A. Smith

I was flipping channels the other evening and found The Jeffersons on TV. I immediately though of Stephen A and realized that I never noticed how much he reminds me of George Jefferson.

The two I am saddest to see go are Jayson Stark and Trey Wingo.

So, all of these personalities who left for Fox and other places in recent years were just getting ahead of the wave.


I literally laughed out loud (Dear God, help me, I'm a cliche) when I read this, because I can't stand Stephen A. Smith and had never made that connection before.


Using our Idiot-in-Chief as the most egregious example, Americans seem to gravitate toward the most obnoxious and polarizing personalities. Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayless, Charles Barkley on the hoops... Basically, the exact opposite of what I look for. No wonder I feel so fucking out of place these days. ;)

Trey Wingo wasn't let go. He was promoted in fact and will be on all 3 days of the NFL Draft coverage this year.

Andy Katz being let go is the biggest surprise

The misogynist in me is sad to see Marysol Castro & Jaymee Sire go.

Sad to see layoffs.  I've been laid off before.  It ain't easy

I realized that when I saw him on the draft broadcast last night. Forget which of the dozen or so articles gave me that impression, but I am definitely glad that Wingo is still there.

...even if he can't tell Sasquatch from Chewbacca. ;)

Ed Werder has said ESPN asked him, at the conclusion of his conversation of being laid off immediately, to cover the New Orleans Saints during the draft coverage. Ballsy if you ask me.

I mean they were gonna pay him for it so I don't think its crazy. Not like they were asking him for a freebie. For someone about to lose their job you gotta swallow your pride and take work where you can get it. If they want to use him now and then on a here and there basis, i mean yeah it sucks you were fired from full time work but take the $$$ and the work!

He has a contract so they have to pay him no matter what, unless he works for another organization. Take their money and sit home if you ask me.

To a certain extent, I'm sure he had already done the overwhelming majority of his pre-draft prep work.  So doing the draft allows him to end his time on a little bit more positive note, getting some closure.

Of course, this analysis presumes that Werder enjoyed his job and would have liked to keep doing it (not just "as a paycheck"), which is a fact not in evidence, so...

I don't really care how much he enjoyed (notice the tense) his job I'm sure it would be a bit difficult to put on a "happy" face  and represent an organization that no longer welcomes you. It could be a positive note or it could have been a Brockmire (I just started watching this last night) shit show.

Stupid if you ask me.  Have him work the draft, then give him the pink slip.

That's a good way to develop a reputation as a terrible place to work.

Everyone understands that layoffs happen; if you're one of 100 people laid off, it sucks, but you understand the decision.  However, to breathe a sigh of relief at avoiding the layoffs, only to be laid off a week later because they wanted you to work the draft?  F that noise.  You'd better hope you don't need anything else from me  - notes, references, contacts, whatever - because you're going to get a middle finger instead.

ESPN was much better off handling the situation in the way they did.  Werder made his own decision to cover the draft anyway, and they didn't make a lifelong enemy in the process.

I wouldn't have laid off any of the football people 2 days before the draft. 

"we will be making some changes to our organization over the upcoming weeks.  In order to minimize disruption any changes in our NFL coverage will occur after the draft, any changes to people covering the NHL after the conclusion of the Stanley Cup, NBA - finals."  Then go ahead and layoff the college basketball analysts you don't need, etc.

Just because the Dolphins layoff a cornerback on Monday, doesn't mean that every other cornerback can sigh of relief without any worry they won't get laid off on Tuesday.

Of course you can't set false expectations by saying we are having one day of layoffs and then have multiple ones.

That is another way to handle it.  However, a different issue arises.  First, to clean up something said earlier:

As fans posting to an NFL-related forum, we should all be quite aware that not all contracts are guaranteed.

So it is entirely possible (I would lean towards "likely") that keeping people on the payroll for another month means an extra month of salary floating out the window.  There were many NFL personalities who were laid off that were NOT then asked to cover the draft, so laying off everyone and paying Werder separately could have had a significant financial benefit.

I'm not sure what you are cleaning up here. He has a contract and they are paying him for the remainder of it unless he takes work, that would negate the contract, elsewhere. 

Laying off an employee with a guaranteed contract makes no sense. The purpose of the layoff is to reduce costs. 

When players who have fully guaranteed contracts get released it is done to make room.  But ESPN doesn't have a roster size limit.  Likewise with CEOs/coaches it is to create an opening for a new direction.

I suspect that anyone let go by ESPN either didn't have a contract, had one that gave some severance benefits in case of early termination but substantially less than full value of the remainder, or was on the very tail end that was basically a non renewal where they basically just got a month or two off.  Otherwise this is the dumbest and least effective cost saving measure ever.

Christ, since no one will take me at my word, here are several links the damn article stating so. ESPN is paying these people to stay home.

ESPN has told me, and I’m sure all of the others who were let go that they are going to honor our contracts. At the same time, their expectation is that we are going to honor those contracts. What I’ve subsequently found out by having dialogue through a lawyer with the legal department is they are not anticipating allowing you to negotiate your way out of your contract. They’re allowing us to go pursue other opportunities if there are some. But if you get a job you want, what I’ve been told is if you want the job, take it knowing you’re not going to be paid by ESPN. You’re not gonna double dip, we’re not gonna just offset.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/05/02/espn-asked-ed-werder-to-cover-the-nfl-draft-after-laying-him-off/?utm_term=.e190e4050410

"Apparently, if I want to continue being paid by ESPN for the duration of my contract, they will not allow me to work in television or other media without risking all that they owe me," Werder said.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ed-werder-espn-laid-off-cover-nfl-draft-2017-5

Since Werder’s contract still has time left on it, ESPN could have simply waited to cut the cord on him until after the draft. Instead, Werder was paid to not work — and will continue to be paid to not work until he finds another job that ESPN allows him to take, but only if ESPN receives credit for what he makes elsewhere.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/02/espn-asked-ed-werder-to-work-the-draft-after-firing-him/

Modified to add: In my haste to show that I am not making this up, I missed Hoodies last explanation that there may be short terms left on these contracts.

Fair enough.

Bumped this thread as possibly the biggest name (at least to me) to date has been let go. John Clayton is no longer working for ESPN.

I loved John Clayton...he was the ultimate geeky sports dude. He iss to football what Tim Kurkjian is to baseball. The guy who was never good enough/athletic enough to play, but the players all respect him anyway.

Surprised that Clayton is gone.  That's the biggest name so far, no?

Clayton has been on NFL Radio for weeks hinting at this so it isn't out of left field he has known for weeks.

I still think Andy Katz is the biggest name as he was their NCAA insider for hoops. There are a ton of NFL insiders and Clayton has been lost in the shuffle for years

I can't stand John Clayton.  He just looks like a little weasel.

I'm getting so sick of your right wing anti-weasel rhetoric...

 ::)

 ;D

I like John Clayton.  He wasn't super hyperbolic.

To keep things fair and balanced, Jared Kushner looks like a weasel too :P

Have Mike and Mike been on together since it was announced that Greeny was getting his own show and Golic was getting a bit of a demotion?  I'm not a regular watcher of the show, because I can't stand listening to Greeny ramble on endlessly, but every time I turn the show on either only one of them are on, or more often neither of them are on their own show.

I've seen them together

He reminds me of the Black families house elf.