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Title: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: CF DolFan on December 12, 2017, 10:51:39 am
A number of current and former NFL Network employees, including Hall of Fame running back Marshall Faulk, have been suspended from their duties pending an investigation into disturbing sexual harassment allegations by a former employee. Faulk, Heath Evans, Ike Taylor, Donovan McNabb, and former executive producer at NFL Network Eric Weinberger are among those accused, in a complaint obtained by Bloomberg. Weinberger is now the president of Bill Simmons’ media group.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/marshall-faulk-among-nfl-network-employees-suspended-amid-sexual-harassment-allegations/ar-BBGD1o4?li=BBnbfcL

Looks like we are just now starting to see how far this goes. I'm sure other organizations will start dropping talent too as the man culture that has been allowed since forever is now being attacked. There are a lot of guilty people out there.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: Sunstroke on December 12, 2017, 03:24:46 pm
There are a lot of guilty people out there ... both male and female.

Why would you even add the "and female in there? (Is that this topic's equivalent to Trump's "There are some very fine people on both sides" gaffe?)

Do you know many women who are guilty of sexual harassment? Do you know any at all? I've been in the work force, civilian or military, for 42 years now, and I still have never seen it.





Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: masterfins on December 12, 2017, 03:50:23 pm
Something sounds amiss when one woman claims "sexual harassment" by at least five different individuals at one job.  Which by the way comes when she is suing for wrongful termination.  I get the feeling this woman is twisting the facts and circumstances due to the current climate of hysteria to make a monetary gain.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: CF DolFan on December 12, 2017, 04:01:29 pm
Why would you even add the "and female in there? (Is that this topic's equivalent to Trump's "There are some very fine people on both sides" gaffe?)

Do you know many women who are guilty of sexual harassment? Do you know any at all? I've been in the work force, civilian or military, for 42 years now, and I still have never seen it.

I didn't put much thought into it actually so not trying to manipulate anything. As for the other question ... yes I have. Twice in fact where it was definitely uncomfortable. When I was 17 I had a superior in a furniture store stalk me ... even circling my house at times. She backed me against the wall on a couple of occasions in the store and used to rub up on me to the point everyone knew it. She was probably about 35 and it actually did freak me out.

The other was a female superior who is an engineer. If you can imagine a New York construction worker in a female body then that was her. She constantly tried to "shock" me.

Neither one scarred me but legally they both harassed me and pretty blatantly. In my opinion I think most people probably have been at one time or another.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: CF DolFan on December 12, 2017, 04:02:57 pm
Something sounds amiss when one woman claims "sexual harassment" by at least five different individuals at one job.  Which by the way comes when she is suing for wrongful termination.  I get the feeling this woman is twisting the facts and circumstances due to the current climate of hysteria to make a monetary gain.
I was thinking the same thing. She could be legit but it sounds like she played as being "one of the boys" and then is using those conversations as a weapon. I wonder what they will come back saying.  If they really did these things unprovoked then that is super disturbing.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on December 12, 2017, 06:45:36 pm
Why would you even add the "and female in there? (Is that this topic's equivalent to Trump's "There are some very fine people on both sides" gaffe?)

Do you know many women who are guilty of sexual harassment? Do you know any at all? I've been in the work force, civilian or military, for 42 years now, and I still have never seen it.


I'm sure there are quite a few.  Sexual harassment is not about sex.  It's about power.  Go watch Disclosure and Horrible Bosses, then get back to me.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: Sunstroke on December 13, 2017, 08:54:31 am
I'm sure there are quite a few.  Sexual harassment is not about sex.  It's about power.  Go watch Disclosure and Horrible Bosses, then get back to me.

Did you really just reference two fictional movies to support your point? ;)



Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: Pappy13 on December 13, 2017, 11:39:19 am
Did you really just reference two fictional movies to support your point? ;)


Disclosure is based on a true story.

http://www.michaelcrichton.com/disclosure/


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 13, 2017, 01:03:15 pm
Disclosure is based on a true story.

http://www.michaelcrichton.com/disclosure/


Based.  But with the roles reversed. 


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 13, 2017, 01:18:37 pm
I am with Sunstroke on this one.  Does females harrassing males in the workplace exist?  Yes, occationally.  But the problem is extremely rare in comparison that the point of mentioning it is just a diversion from the real problem. 

A common tactic of the oppressor.  Blacks owned slaves too and for a period of time whites could even be indentured serveants of blacks in Virginia so American Slavery wasn't about white opperssion of African-Americans it was a problem on both sides.  The Nakam Group attempted (but failed) to poison the water supplies of Munich, Berlin, Weimar, Nuremberg and Hamburg, so the Jews were no better than the Nazi's. 

As for believing victims/accused.  If one women accuses multiple men without any collertatory evidence I am skeptical of her accusations.  If multiple women accuse the same man I consider that proof. 



Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: CF DolFan on December 13, 2017, 03:41:28 pm
I can delete the whole “woman” thing. It really wasn’t relevant to the story.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: suck for luck on December 14, 2017, 07:03:22 am
The female pervs are primarily in k through 12. Due to their limited power I suppose.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: CF DolFan on December 14, 2017, 09:14:32 am
The female pervs are primarily in k through 12. Due to their limited power I suppose.
hahahaha ... They were discussing this on the radio and they said he NFL Network has basically operated as an extension of the locker room and the guys didn't change their behavior from their playing days.  I guess the NFL network doesn't have an HR Dept.  :o


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: CF DolFan on December 15, 2017, 11:33:37 am
Why would you even add the "and female in there? (Is that this topic's equivalent to Trump's "There are some very fine people on both sides" gaffe?)

Do you know many women who are guilty of sexual harassment? Do you know any at all? I've been in the work force, civilian or military, for 42 years now, and I still have never seen it.

Since "you" haven't seen any.
 
Andrea Ramsey, a Democratic candidate for Congress, will drop out of the race after the Kansas City Star asked her about accusations in a 2005 lawsuit that she sexually harassed and retaliated against a male subordinate who said he had rejected her advances.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article189931704.html


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 15, 2017, 02:24:31 pm
okay so you found an example.  I can cite you examples of black slave owners.  Doesn't change the fact that slavery was overwhelmingly an issue of white oppression of blacks. 

I can find you examples of Jews cooperating with the Nazis.  I can find you examples of Native American's breaking treaties with the US government.

But claiming that this is a two way issue is the same as Trump's 'good people on both sides" or blaming the protesters for the shootings at Kent state. 


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 15, 2017, 02:26:25 pm
I see this topic has gone the way of the derp.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: CF DolFan on December 15, 2017, 03:43:42 pm
okay so you found an example.  I can cite you examples of black slave owners.  Doesn't change the fact that slavery was overwhelmingly an issue of white oppression of blacks. 

I can find you examples of Jews cooperating with the Nazis.  I can find you examples of Native American's breaking treaties with the US government.

But claiming that this is a two way issue is the same as Trump's 'good people on both sides" or blaming the protesters for the shootings at Kent state. 
hahahahaha .... I swear some of you go so far out of your way to look for things to argue about that it's pretty obvious you haven't been laid in a looonnng time. Don't be afraid to pay for it!

I admitted it had nothing to do with the story and even deleted it from my comments. Not sure how much more you need me to grovel. Stroke had stressed that in his 42 years he had never seen such a thing and behold the following day one came out. Just thought I'd help him out. It really isn't a big deal.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: Fau Teixeira on December 18, 2017, 01:17:00 pm
I'm with CF on this one, i think sexual harassment knows no gender or sexual orientation, and it's more to do about power than sex.

The reason that you see more women complaining about men probably because there are more men than women in positions of power that would garner news attention. Which is a different topic altogether.

That being said said with traditional gender roles being what they are, i'm very willing to guess that the ratio of male harassers to female harassers is probably greater than 20 to 1.

On a personal note, i'm sorry CF you had to experience that. At least in today's society you would have been able to report the harassment and have it taken with seriousness, rather than the ridicule you would have faced if you had reported it when you were much younger.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: fyo on December 18, 2017, 02:47:14 pm
^ According to some research I've seen, sexual harassment OF men / boys makes up maybe as much as 20%. The majority of that is a male harassing a male, though.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: CF DolFan on December 18, 2017, 03:48:59 pm


On a personal note, i'm sorry CF you had to experience that. At least in today's society you would have been able to report the harassment and have it taken with seriousness, rather than the ridicule you would have faced if you had reported it when you were much younger.
The one when I was younger was very intimidating and everyone thought it funny. The last one wasn't all that bothersome as I knew I had that in my pocket if something were to actually happen.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 18, 2017, 07:52:08 pm
Terry Crews - yes, the former NFL LB/DE turned actor - recently relayed (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/10/10/actor-terry-crews-says-he-was-groped-by-a-high-level-hollywood-executive/?utm_term=.585e2b9e692e) that a high-level Hollywood exec brazenly groped his genitals (right in front of Crews' wife!) at a party.   Small expansions of Twitter shorthand follow:

"This whole thing with Harvey Weinstein is giving me PTSD. Why? Because this kind of thing happened to ME.  My wife and I were at a Hollywood function last year and a high level Hollywood executive came over to me and groped my privates.  Jumping back I said, "What are you doing?!" My wife saw everything and we looked at him like he was crazy. He just grinned like a jerk.

I was going to kick his ass right then— but I thought twice about how the whole thing would appear.  “240 lbs. Black Man stomps out Hollywood Honcho” would be the headline the next day.  Only I probably wouldn’t have been able to read it because I WOULD HAVE BEEN IN JAIL. So we left.

That night and the next day I talked to everyone I knew that worked with him about what happened.  He called me the next day with an apology but never really explained why he did what he did.  I decided not to take it further because I didn’t want to be ostracized— par for the course when the predator has power and influence.  I let it go.  And I understand why many women who this happens to let it go.  Who’s going to believe you? (few) What are the repercussions? (many) Do you want to work again? (Yes) Are you prepared to be ostracized? (No)

I love what I do.  But it’s a shame and the height of disappointment when someone tries to takes advantage of that.  He knows who he is.  But sometimes you have to wait & compare notes with others who’ve been victimized in order to gain a position of strength.  I understand and empathize with those who have remained silent.  But Harvey Weinstein is not the only perpetrator.  Hollywood is not the only business we’re this happens, and to the casualties of this behavior— you are not alone.  Hopefully, me coming forward with my story will deter a predator and encourage someone who feels hopeless."


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If there are people out there who have the outright gall to assault someone like Terry Crews, all bets are off.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 20, 2017, 01:46:09 pm
Order of frequency........

Men harassing women. Vast majority
Men harassing men. Common enough to be problem but a small fraction of above.
Women harassing women. Rare
Women harassing men.  Extremely rare.  But always gets plenty of press because of uniqueness and counterargument value.



Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: CF DolFan on December 20, 2017, 01:51:11 pm
Order of frequency........

Men harassing women. Vast majority
Men harassing men. Common enough to be problem but a small fraction of above.
Women harassing women. Rare
Women harassing men.  Extremely rare.  But always gets plenty of press because of uniqueness and counterargument value.


I completely disagree. I work with women in authority and those who have none. If a woman has authority then there's a pretty good chance she has been "one of the boys" way more than some man sexually harassing another man. The gay population is minimal to begin with let alone the percentage in a power position. Now take a minimal percentage of that who might have harassed someone. Not very many I bet. 


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 20, 2017, 02:02:47 pm
I completely disagree. I work with women in authority and those who have none. If a woman has authority then there's a pretty good chance she has been "one of the boys" way more than some man sexually harassing another man. The gay population is minimal to begin with let alone the percentage in a power position. Now take a minimal percentage of that who might have harassed someone. Not very many I bet. 

Richie incognito to the best of my knowdge is not gay but did engage in workplace harrassment. 

I have been called a pussy by male coworkers for respecting a female coworker and not raping her on our first date.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 20, 2017, 02:08:49 pm
Hoodie, if you are going to categorize that as "sexual harassment" (which is fair), then women spreading rumors about other women (in the workplace) in an effort to slut shame them would also be considered sexual harassment.  And if that's the case, I'd say that isn't "rare," but "very common" and approaching majority status.


Title: Re: NFL Network employees have been suspended from their duties pending investigatio
Post by: CF DolFan on December 20, 2017, 02:31:58 pm
Richie incognito to the best of my knowdge is not gay but did engage in workplace harrassment. 

I have been called a pussy by male coworkers for respecting a female coworker and not raping her on our first date.
I thought we were referring to sexual harassment? You are talking about politically correct bullying or in my world ... giving you a hard time. My brothers and my friends would have kicked my arse if I had complained about guys busting my balls. That's part of being a guy ... or toxic masculinity to the millennials.