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Title: Training camp notes Post by: CF DolFan on May 21, 2019, 07:04:20 pm After last week when Josh Rosen looked like the new guy he has come back and was lights out today. (no pads)
Adam Beasley reported ... Last week’s open practice was not Rosen’s best day. This week’s was spectacular, aside from a poor throw picked off by rookie defensive back Montre Hartage. He threw more touchdown passes than we could count. Some of the players commented about him too ... ▪ Brice Butler: “He’s a young arm, so he can throw the ball, dart it, 30, 40 yards down the field. He can throw the lob ball. He’s got a strong, aggressive arm.” ▪ Preston Williams: “Nice, tight spiral.” ▪ Kenny Stills: ”I don’t know what the right word is for it, but it doesn’t look like it’s coming fast and then it gets in front of your face and you see it’s spinning well and it’s got some velocity behind it. He’s a great player. He’s got a bright future.” Adam Beasley - Now all Rosen needs is for Ryan Fitzpatrick to look mortal. Because Fitzpatrick, Rosen’s competition in the Dolphins’ quarterback battle, has been lights out in the two practices open to reporters. He was fantastic Tuesday — connecting with Stills on a home run ball here, hooking up with a wide open Durham Smythe there and finding DeVante Parker everywhere. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: BuccaneerBrad on May 21, 2019, 07:44:28 pm Fitzpatrick will look lights out for a couple games. Then you'll see what he's really made of. Trust me.
Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on May 21, 2019, 08:32:14 pm It is really hard to judge a team based on camp practice. The offense dominated— does that mean the offense is real good or does it mean the defense is real bad? Likewise if the defense dominates - does it mean you have a shutdown defense or an inept offense.
Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: Dolphster on May 22, 2019, 07:57:18 am It is really hard to judge a team based on camp practice. The offense dominated— does that mean the offense is real good or does it mean the defense is real bad? Likewise if the defense dominates - does it mean you have a shutdown defense or an inept offense. Agreed. I put next to nothing into what comes out of camp. About the only thing I'm looking at in camp is how healthy the guys coming off injuries from last year are looking and whether anyone looks grossly out of shape from the off season. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: hordman on May 22, 2019, 08:38:46 am What's great about these OTA's is compare the tweets from the Doom & Gloom Team of Armando & Omar to other beat reporters like Beaslely and Jackson.
Yes, I don't put too much into the OTA's, but it'a also nice to see good play from everyone. I know I've made fun of DVP last season and his "inactive" jersey that I've posted here, but I would love to eat crow and him come out and have a breakout season with a guy who can sling the rock (and this goes for both guys now) DVP killed it in the HOU game Thurs nite last year and the potential is there for sure. Hopefully it can all come together this season under a new coach and fresh start Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: Tenshot13 on May 22, 2019, 08:50:38 am DVP is going to have the best year of his career this year. Fitz is going to throw more jump balls to him than he'll know what to do with, and Rosen is good with the deep ball too. That being said, he could still be disappointing.
Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: CF DolFan on May 22, 2019, 09:29:48 am I find it nice that Rosen seems to have made significant strides with the offense in just a week. Parker doesn't impress me at all. He always looks good without pads and that is why everyone thinks he has potential. Once pads are on he shows how weak he is ... and then he gets hurt. He'll have to do well during the season before I even think about changing my mind on him.
Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: pondwater on May 22, 2019, 01:02:21 pm I find it nice that Rosen seems to have made significant strides with the offense in just a week. Parker doesn't impress me at all. He always looks good without pads and that is why everyone thinks he has potential. Once pads are on he shows how weak he is ... and then he gets hurt. He'll have to do well during the season before I even think about changing my mind on him. Meh, it's time to move on from Parker. Even if he has a decent year it won't be worth all the time, effort, and money we've wasted on him. Trade him for a middle of the road but serviceable lineman on the O or D. We have other needs and we don't need to waste anymore time on Parker. He is who we think he is..........Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: fyo on May 24, 2019, 10:26:26 am Meh, it's time to move on from Parker. Even if he has a decent year it won't be worth all the time, effort, and money we've wasted on him. Trade him for a middle of the road but serviceable lineman on the O or D. We have other needs and we don't need to waste anymore time on Parker. He is who we think he is.......... The Dolphins *just* signed him to an extension, so he's not going anywhere this season - and likely next either, unless he totally bombs. I was a bit worried when the team picked up his 5th year option last spring (for the 2019 season). He would have cost the team nearly $9.5 million just for that one year. The extension converted that to a two year deal for half a million extra total money and with only $4.5 million guaranteed (his base salary and roster bonus for this season). All in all, not a bad contract for the Dolphins. Now Parker just needs to catch some of the balls thrown his way. He just gets outplayed and outmuscled way too often and catch rate in the 50s (%) in 3 out of 4 years just isn't good enough. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: CF DolFan on May 30, 2019, 01:42:45 pm Not looking to get anyone excited but just passing this along. Some notes from a Joe Shad/ Palm Beach Post article ...
Preston Williams is doing really well at WR and everyone is taking notice. He has size (6-foot-4, 210 pounds), speed, body control and footwork. “He’s making some plays,” defensive back Bobby McCain said. “He’s definitely caught some eyes. And he’s a big, long receiver, big long paws. And you know just he’s definitely making some plays. As long as he keeps doing it and keeps making plays in training camp, he can hopefully earn a spot on this roster.” “Really good,” Miami quarterback Josh Rosen said of Williams. “He’s that big body that the NFL receivers are sort of based off of in that one-on-one position. He’s a big body, a really talented guy with great hands and I’m really looking forward to developing with him.” .....Williams went undrafted due to an off-field incident involving a woman. If not for that, he would have been drafted. Williams, who began his college career at Tennessee, had 1,345 yards receiving and 14 touchdowns last season. He’s constantly winning balls in practice and has been scoring touchdowns. ..... Williams is working to build that trust. He was humbled by falling entirely out of the NFL Draft. “Got to earn your stripes,” Williams has tweeted. “I will emerge, don’t count me out.” Williams can run past defenders, leap over them and keep his feet inbounds with uncanny ability. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: Tenshot13 on June 05, 2019, 01:28:19 pm Fitzpatrick and Parker are putting on a show today. Reporters on Twitter are acting like this is a QB battle, causing drama. I think people know that Fitz is the smart choice to start the season and let Rosen sit and learn.
https://twitter.com/AdamHBeasley/status/1136318378304593920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1136318378304593920&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fmiami-dolphins (https://twitter.com/AdamHBeasley/status/1136318378304593920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1136318378304593920&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fmiami-dolphins) I say this with a straight face: DeVante Parker has been the best offensive player this camp. https://twitter.com/schadjoe/status/1136318506146967552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1136318506146967552&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fmiami-dolphins (https://twitter.com/schadjoe/status/1136318506146967552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1136318506146967552&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbleacherreport.com%2Fmiami-dolphins) DeVante Parker another BOMB TD from Ryan Fitzpatrick. Parker. Killing it. Fitzpatrick. Killing it. #MiamiDolphins Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on June 05, 2019, 01:57:28 pm Fitzpatrick and Parker are putting on a show today. Reporters on Twitter are acting like this is a QB battle, causing drama. I think people know that Fitz is the smart choice to start the season and let Rosen sit and learn. I agree it isn’t really a camp battle. But I disagree that Fitz is the smart choice to start the season. If Flores/Grier primary goal is to beat the Ravens than Fitz is the best choice. If their primary goal is to determine if the QB of the future is already on the roster or if they need to use their first round pick on a QB in 2020, then Rosen the obvious choice. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: Tenshot13 on June 05, 2019, 02:05:40 pm ^Strong disagree. I'm not saying sit and learn the entire year, unless Fitz is making a playoff push. I'm going to predict Rosen is starting by the halfway point of the season, and even more likely he starts after the week 5 bye week. That is a good amount of time to evaluate him for the remainder of the season.
There are some good QBs in 2020, but there are also good QBs in 2021, namely Trevor Lawrence. I'd be perfectly happy building a solid team in the 2020 draft, and drafting a QB in 2021 if it comes to that. The only people saying the sort of thing you stated are armchair GMs and the media. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: CF DolFan on June 05, 2019, 02:48:26 pm To hear Omar speak the QB battle isn't even close. He says Fitz is ahead by a mile. The one thing I will say that I agree with him on is this. Fitz is like the lowest common denominator you'd want as a starter so if Rosen can't beat him then we need to definitely keep drafting them until we do.
As it stands Rosen isn't playing with the ones so who knows. Pads aren't on and they aren't hitting. You know ... those times when Devante Parker disappears. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: fyo on June 05, 2019, 03:21:35 pm To hear Omar speak the QB battle isn't even close. He says Fitz is ahead by a mile. The one thing I will say that I agree with him on is this. Fitz is like the lowest common denominator you'd want as a starter so if Rosen can't beat him then we need to definitely keep drafting them until we do. As it stands Rosen isn't playing with the ones so who knows. Pads aren't on and they aren't hitting. You know ... those times when Devante Parker disappears. But isn't that the problem with Fitzpatrick? He can be very, very good for stretches, but then suddenly turns into a pumpkin. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: Tenshot13 on June 05, 2019, 03:53:15 pm Omar is a hack, I take everything he says with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: CF DolFan on June 05, 2019, 05:29:31 pm But isn't that the problem with Fitzpatrick? He can be very, very good for stretches, but then suddenly turns into a pumpkin. Not at all. He puts up big numbers in games. Parker disappears once they start hitting as he gets hurt. Omar is a hack, I take everything he says with a grain of salt. He can be an ass and somewhat of a racist but I don't know about him being a hack. Although they may not agree with some of his assessments .... too many in the know look to him for information.Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: BuccaneerBrad on June 05, 2019, 11:31:35 pm But isn't that the problem with Fitzpatrick? He can be very, very good for stretches, but then suddenly turns into a pumpkin. That is precisely the problem. I know all about him. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: Pappy13 on June 06, 2019, 11:21:30 am I agree it isn’t really a camp battle. But I disagree that Fitz is the smart choice to start the season. There's 16 games on the schedule. There's plenty of time to let the thing work itself out, you don't need to force the issue. If after 8 games the team is 2-6 and Rosen hasn't played, then it's time to put Rosen in. Before that there's no rush to get him on the field. The only "downside" would be if Miami is say 4-4 after 8 games and Fitz is playing well, then it would be hard to put Rosen in, but then if that's the case Miami isn't going to be in a draft position to take one of the top rated QB's in the next draft anyway so they'd have to use all of their draft chips to try to move up to get one which might not be a wise thing to do and maybe they just stick with Fitz and Rosen for another year and keep building the roster around them for another year. That's not necessarily a bad thing either.If Flores/Grier primary goal is to beat the Ravens than Fitz is the best choice. If their primary goal is to determine if the QB of the future is already on the roster or if they need to use their first round pick on a QB in 2020, then Rosen the obvious choice. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: CF DolFan on June 06, 2019, 04:57:59 pm Does it matter to anyone that Fitz looks way better than Rosen in practice? Channng Crowder said today it looks like a competition between Chad Pennington vs Chad Henne meaning there really isn't a competition to this point.
Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: Fau Teixeira on June 06, 2019, 10:39:07 pm it really doesn't matter tho .. i think QB right now is an afterthought this season with a random flyer taken out on rosen
Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: CF DolFan on June 07, 2019, 10:45:41 am it really doesn't matter tho .. i think QB right now is an afterthought this season with a random flyer taken out on rosen That's where I am too but it seems like many people are worried about the Fitz/Rosen thing. To me ... it seems like I want the worst one to play this year but I don't know that the better of the two is good enough to get this under-talented team to very many wins. I want a QB, like Baker Mayfield, that shows potential from the beginning rather than a QB that has to grow into the position. We've been failing at that for 20 years. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: CF DolFan on June 07, 2019, 12:21:53 pm Just saw an article from the Palm Beach Post that referred to Rosen as ChosenRosen. So now we have FitzMagic vs ChosenRosen. 😂🤣😂
Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: masterfins on June 07, 2019, 12:51:07 pm I agree it isn’t really a camp battle. But I disagree that Fitz is the smart choice to start the season. If Flores/Grier primary goal is to beat the Ravens than Fitz is the best choice. If their primary goal is to determine if the QB of the future is already on the roster or if they need to use their first round pick on a QB in 2020, then Rosen the obvious choice. I have to agree. I was thinking about this the other day, and the Dolphins need to start Rosen, and have him play at least the first ten games of the season to try and determine whether he is a franchise QB. Rosen has already suffered through a rookie year, and if he learned anything he should show an improvement (even on another poor team like the Dolphins). Had the Dolphins not traded away, or let FA's go to other teams, then I would want to see Fitz because he is obviously more experienced and gives the team a better shot at winning games. Part of this throwaway season is to determine if Rosen can be the long term answer, you can't use meaningless games at the end of the season to do that. For those that say well there are good QB's coming out in 2021, that would mean the Dolphins would have to tank another season to have hopes of getting one of those guys; and the fans won't put up with that. Also, two years down the road there could be substantial more competition to draft a QB, with guys like Dalton, Brady, Roethlisberger, Flacco, and others entering retirement. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: masterfins on June 07, 2019, 01:01:51 pm I say this with a straight face: DeVante Parker has been the best offensive player this camp. Wow, what a surprise. Could it be that Parker is basically on a one-year incentive laden contract, and if he doesn't show massive improvement he'll be out of the league (or relegated to the bottom of the depth chart on another team).?? Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: CF DolFan on June 07, 2019, 01:24:32 pm Wow, what a surprise. Could it be that Parker is basically on a one-year incentive laden contract, and if he doesn't show massive improvement he'll be out of the league (or relegated to the bottom of the depth chart on another team).?? He wins that title every season and you see how that has turned out. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: Dolphster on June 07, 2019, 01:35:30 pm He wins that title every season and you see how that has turned out. Yep. The Herald had an article this week with the headline being something about how this could be "the year" for him. I believe it is the same article they have written each of the last 3 years and they just change the date every year when they run it. The only way to avoid being disappointed with Parker when the regular season starts is to have zero belief in him to begin with. I have zero belief in him. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: CF DolFan on June 14, 2019, 10:06:56 am I love the way the rules have worked out for signing rookies. This used to be such a painstaking experince where you never knew if your best recruit would ever sign.
Armando Salguero Verified account @ArmandoSalguero 4m4 minutes ago More Dolphins have agreed to contract terms with third round pick Michael Deiter. All Miami’s picks are now done. Title: Re: Training camp notes Post by: BuccaneerBrad on June 16, 2019, 04:33:51 pm I love the way the rules have worked out for signing rookies. This used to be such a painstaking experince where you never knew if your best recruit would ever sign. Armando Salguero Verified account @ArmandoSalguero 4m4 minutes ago More Dolphins have agreed to contract terms with third round pick Michael Deiter. All Miami’s picks are now done. The rookie wage scale is great. No more rookies holding out till the end of training camp or being handed $30 million before they even set foot on an NFL practice field. The downside is that you pretty much have to have young players on your roster at most positions or it will cripple your cap as 5/6 year players are demanding big bucks. Look at the Bucs right now. 60% of their salary cap is going to four players. |