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You can stop now. It's not happening. Maybe if the Corona virus wasn't here and it was just going to be a normal draft and spring training you could justify the risk, but now....not on your life. It's not just his hip injury, he's injury prone. He is. You can deny it all you want, but it's a fact. He might not ever get injured again, but the risk will always be there and it's simply too much to risk a top 10 pick on him. Dolphins will either go with another QB or they'll go with a different position. No way they take Tua at #5. No way. If they do it's a serious mistake. No 2 ways about it anymore.

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^^^ I agree.  The risk with Tua is just too high for a #5 pick in my opinion.  Injury history, size, and for me a little negative given the fact he played for a top team that had every weapon imaginable.  It wouldn't surprise me if he fell to the late teens or early 20's in the draft.

Recently I have seen more drafts with Miami taking Herbert, which I like.  Herbert has size, agility, arm strength, and good completion percentage.  Had he played on one of the top three college teams I think he would be being touted as the top QB pick of the draft.

I'm still holding out hope that Miami doesn't draft him.

Again: if Tua were 100% healthy, MIA would have no shot at him.

I think Burrow and Tua are the only franchise QBs in this draft.  If MIA can't get (or doesn't want) one of them, I'd rather try to get Cam Newton than pick a future journeyman.

Didn't Tannehill teach us that a quarterback needs a good supporting cast to be successful?

Who did he fail a physical with and when was this?

Your hate of this pick is getting to be a little much, it's pretty much all you talk about. I'm not going to take one guys opinion on this, especially when in the same article doctors are saying he's good.  It's not some open and close thing that we shouldn't take him like you're making it out to be.  I agree with Spider, him and Burrow are the only franchise QBs in this draft, Love and Herbert need a lot of help, especially Herbert.
 

The best thing about all this? We have three first round picks so if we draft Tua and he gets knocked out of the league in pre-season it's not nearly as bad if we only had one pick and failed. The upside on Tua is too much to let pass us by if we are given the chance.

I really dislike Cam Newton as a QB because I think he has the mental maturity of a very unstable person. He really seems like he has some serious demons and with the way Carolina dumped him ... they do too.

If we do not DRAFT a QB who we feel can lead this team, not manage it ... can you imagine the fanbase's reaction? No way in hell we "tanked" for a LT and a QB who might work out if all the stars align. People would absolutely freak out.

In my defense it's pretty much the only sports news there is these days unless you count madden games as sports news which I don't.

Thought this was kind of funny ...


Armando Salguero
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The fastest way to make Tua doubters want him is to show them a mock draft where he goes to the Patriots.

The fastest way to make Justin Herbert doubters want him is to show them a mock draft where he goes to the Patriots.

I get it, there isn't much of anything going on sports wise.

LOL. 

Injury risks aside, I'm still hoping for Tua at #5. That said, I've always been of the belief that Herbert is "also" going to be an excellent QB, so I wouldn't be upset if Miami went that direction instead.

Yes, this is the main point. We have the draft capital where this pick could fail and we still improved the team greatly. It would absolutely suck but unless you got that #1 pick, you are always going to take some chances. The ceiling for Tua is far greater than Herbert or Love. To me, the only issue left is if it is worth it to trade up and get him and that is where I am undecided.

I've read so much about Tua's health that is contradictory and 90% of it is conjecture and smokescreen to the extent where I don't even know how I feel about him at this point.   

More often than not players that come into the NFL with injury histories do not last.  It's not baseball, football is a contact sport, and Tua's brand of play counts on him being mobile and that adds a level of injury risk.  I'm not going to be upset if they take him at #5, I just think it would be the wrong pick.  But I would be livid if they gave up other picks to move up and take him before #5.

I think I would only be okay with giving up a 2nd rounder or two. I really don't want to part with a 1st "just in case". That's the part that kills me the most, we could be giving away valuable draft picks for no reason. To me, that is the biggest gamble.

I wouldn't be as irate if they gave up a single 2nd round pick and a later round pick in addition to swap #1 pick with the Lions or Giants, but it would be dumb to get in a bidding war with the Chargers, or some other team to move up one or two spots.  I don't know what the point value is, Stroke would probably know, but if the Giants or Lions swap with Miami they are still going to be able to draft the guy that is #1 on their board so it shouldn't take much to move up a spot or two.  And as good as Tua is, or may be, I don't see a lot of GM's willing to give away the future to get him given his injury history, because if it goes south they are out of a job.

I'm in the minority here, but I don't care if they even draft a QB this year if they can fill many of their voids.  There are some great tackles, LB's, and D-Lineman in this draft, and if they could hit on 5 starters between the first three rounds I'd be ecstatic.  They could continue to use Fitz and work on Rosen, then after a seven win season they could bundle draft picks next year to get a QB.

It's not so much what the pick is worth in general, it's what is the pick worth if there is a bidding war? In theory, moving up to #3 from #5 is worth a 2nd rounder. What's it worth with the Chargers and maybe a mystery team bidding? At least a 1st and 2nd.

The point values of the #3-#5 picks, plus the point values of Miami's other picks looks like this:

3-Lions  -     2200
4-Giants -    1800
5-Dolphins - 1700

18-Dolphins - 900
26-Dolphins - 700
39-Dolphins - 510
56-Dolphins - 340
70-Dolphins - 240


I personally don't think Miami is going to trade up. I think they'll sit at #5 and take either Herbert or Tua, whichever one makes it to #5 and/or has the most support in the draft room.

I believe they will stay where they are as well, although the Lions and Giants may both ant to trade down meaning that 3 QBs are taken with the first 4 picks. I think I can live with giving up the 56th and 70th pick to make sure we get Tua or Herbert, whomever the office wants. I would just hate to miss out on everyone if all it would take is a 2nd and 3rd rounder when we have 14 picks this year and a ton next year as well.

This should be important for Herbert and Love fans.  Please draft Tua.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Mike/status/1249719196793126912 (https://twitter.com/PFF_Mike/status/1249719196793126912)

Mike Renner
@PFF_Mike
The one stat that would terrify me if I'm considering draft Justin Herbert or Jordan Love is this...

% of uncatchably off-target throws targeting when an OPEN receiver 5-18 yards downfield in 2019:

Tua 4.3%
Hurts 5.0%
Burrow 5.1%
Love 14.1%
Herbert 18.1%

^^^ There is something fishy about that stat... just sayin'

Fishy how?  It's worded kind of funny, but it's basically saying the percentage of throws that are uncatchable and off target when the receiver is open, which should be the easiest throws to make.

I would take a pass on Tua at #5.  He is brittle and if he can't withstand a full college season, how do you expect him to handle the NFL?   The best thing to do is shore up your trenches or trade down a couple spots with some team who wants Tua and pick up more picks. 

Stockpile picks for next year.  Sign Newton or Jameis to a two year deal that is front-loaded so that if they don't work out, you can cut them after this season and not take a big cap hit.  Then use your draft capital to move up in 2021 for Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields.

I'd like to see the data for this. I find it hard to believe that 18% of throws between 5-18 yards to an open reciever were uncatchable especially when his overall completion percentage for ALL throws is almost 70%. Something isn't right here unless we are talking about a very small number of passes where 1 extra uncatchable pass is going to skyrocket your % and is not indicative of anything.

For example 2 out of 11 passes would be 18% but 1 out of 11 would be 9%. So he had 2 bad passes out of 11? Who cares? We need numbers and games to go with these stats.

1) You don't want to trade 7 draft picks to move up for Lawrence
2) You won't even be able to if the holder of that #1 pick needs a QB, just like the Bengals this year with Burrow

He says in the thread these are the Pass attempts.  I'm sure you could tweet him and get a sure source.  He's from PFF, he should be credible

51 tua
80 hurts
100 burrow
78 love
77 Herbert

I realize he has a big arm but isn't Herbert actually known for throwing a lot of short passes and screens?

You've got two firsts next year.   You won't have to trade seven picks to move up for Lawrence or Fields.  Especially if Houston ends up sucking.

It cost 3 firsts and a second to trade up to #2 for RG3.
Lawrence will cost more than that.

Yeah, might even cost a 2022 1st rounder as well.

This article was reassuring for people "Still holding out hope for Tua at #5":

https://rolltidewire.usatoday.com/2020/04/13/miami-dolphins-dont-need-to-trade-up-to-secure-tua-tagovailoa/ (https://rolltidewire.usatoday.com/2020/04/13/miami-dolphins-dont-need-to-trade-up-to-secure-tua-tagovailoa/)


AJ Spurr

The closer we get to draft night, the more questions surrounding trading picks come up. With Miami being the team that has had it’s eyes on former Alabama star quarterback Tua Tagovailoa, do they need to trade up from the No. 5 overall pick in order to secure him?

The short answer to this is no.

There are plenty of theories that are centered around surprising picks and interesting trades in order for teams to obtain the 2018 Heisman finalist, but the one that is most likely to occur is Miami drafting Tagovailoa at No. 5.

Going in order, lets first analyze why Washington won’t take Tagovailoa at No. 2.

It has been rumored that Ron Rivera will want to bring in his own players to create his own original system in his first year of coaching in Washington. While they did interview quarterbacks at the NFL combine, it is likely that he will want to see what Haskins can do as a full-time starter.
Tua Tagovailoa

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Kalyn Kahler of Sports Illustrated reported that a source close to Washington’s owner, Dan Snyder, claimed the Tua rumors were “just a lot of smoke.”

Plus, Washington has other needs to address. They will likely take the role everyone expects them to and select Ohio State’s Chase Young.

Moving on to the No. 3 overall pick, the Detroit Lions.

Is Matthew Stafford the guy to take Detroit to a Super Bowl? Maybe. Is he the guy Detroit’s front office thinks can get it done? Yes.

Kyle Meinke of MLive.com argues that while Stafford has recently been bitten by the injury bug, Tagovailoa has been as well. Meinke also claims that Stafford’s recent play is a sign that brighter days are soon to come for the Lions.

He writes, “Would the Lions really use their best resource to try to replace their best player from a year ago with a quarterback who is entering the league with his own injury concerns — and may not play until 2021 anyway, when Detroit is facing a win-now mandate in 2020?”

So it’s not looking like the Lions will draft Tagovailoa, but will someone else take him with the No. 3 overall pick?

Brett Davis-USA TODAY Sports

This is where the Los Angeles Chargers come into play.

They are in an interesting position as they pick at No. 6, only one behind Miami. Right now it looks as if they will be selecting Oregon’s Justin Herbert to be their future signal caller.

There are only two possible scenarios in which Chargers fans wake up on Apr. 24 knowing Tua Tagovailoa will soon wear a Los Angeles uniform: the Dolphins pass on him or they trade up with Detroit.

It’s not certain Miami will draft Tagovailoa, but if he’s there, it’ll be hard to pass on him – especially since they are still receiving flack for not drafting Drew Brees back in 2001.

There’s no telling what Detroit would ask for in return for the pick, but Gavino Borquez of ChargersWire compares this hypothetical trade to that of the New York Jets’ trade from No. 6 to No. 3 with the Colts in 2018.

In that trade, the Jets gave up four picks, their No. 6 overall, two second-round picks and the following year’s second-round pick.

“Los Angeles doesn’t have two second-round selections this year like the Jets did a couple of years back,” writes Borquez, “which means that it would cost No. 6, No. 37 and most likely an early pick in 2021.”

That may be too much for the Chargers to give up, especially since they are also trying to rebuild, much like the Dolphins. Unless they get a good deal from Detroit, it may not be worth it.

So whether one looks at Washington not needing a quarterback, the Lions looking to stick with Stafford or the Chargers lack of draft capital for a trade, it’s clear the Miami Dolphins are probably going to be able to win the ‘Tank for Tua’ sweepstakes at No. 5.

Roll Tide Wire will keep you updated on all things Alabama in the 2020 NFL Draft!

Honestly, if the right people fall in the draft, with all the holes in the Dolphins' roster, I wouldn't be heartbroken if they don't take a Tua OR Herbert and get Jacob Eason in the 2nd (or 3rd) round.   Not that I don't like Tua or Herbert, but QBs are such a roll of the dice, that if they could get a top OT, DL, and another top OT or Guard in the first round, I would be okay with that.  Of course you need a really good QB, but I'm a firm believer in building a team starting from the trenches on both sides of the ball. 

I've been pretty vocal in my local circles about adamantly NOT drafting Tua, and CERTAINLY not trading up for him.

I'm sure its unpopular among Dolphins fans, but the team has so many holes and needs, and is uniquely positioned with 3 first round picks to fill them with talented players, that wasting all of them on 1 QB (who IMO is more Kyler Murray than Payton Manning) would be foolish.

Spend those picks on o-line, please.  Maybe a Linebacker or a safety, but o-line has been an unaddressed weakness for 10 years.  PLEASE fix the o-line and worry about your QB next season.

Miami is going to do both this year... They'll get their QB - whichever QB - with their #5 pick, and then they have 5 more picks during the first 3 rounds...so they'll definitely be able to address the line with a couple of picks as well as DL and other positions.

I certainly hope so.  I am actually an advocate of trading down with the 5 pick and get more picks this year and next year.  But you'd have to forego that QB and get someone to overpay for who's on the board at that pick.

Miami has enough picks to draft whatever QB they want at #5 (not named Burrow), and get pretty much whichever QB they want next year if they wanted to do that (they won't though), AND draft players to fill our o-line.  We can have our cake and eat it too.

Exactly!!  And it's a yummy cake too, baked with the freshest early-round ingredients.


I occasionally do mocks for Miami where I think "No Tua, no Herbert, trade down from #5 and just grab Jalen Hurts in round 3"  You should see some of the insane collections of talent I get during those mocks...it's ridiculous.  I had one this past weekend where the Raiders traded their #12 & #19 in round 1 for the #5, which meant 4 first rounders.

We don't need more picks, we have plenty.  We're going to run out of roster spots for some of these guys.

Its never a bad thing to have more picks.

It would be shocking if this team is picking lower than 13 next year, so let's say the 13th and 16th pick (I have no faith in Houston) is not even close to being enough to move up to #1. It would take 3-4 1st rounders and then some. Just not responsible for the team to spend that much.

I look at the roster the way it is right now...and may have to disagree with you on the first part. Aside from some of the FA's signed this offseason, I see a whole bunch of roster slots that definitely could use a hefty upgrade.

That said, I'd rather get the extra picks by trading down in round 2 than in round 1.  :-\

Nick Saban just came out and said Tua is durable.  Saban is as honest as they come, take it to the bank!

Form what I saw/heard ... Saban said he needs to learn to throw the ball away and that all of his injuries happened when there was no play but he was trying to extend it and make something happen. If Tua is to survive in the NFL he will need to learn that quickly. 

Take it for what it is worth but Armando told Joe Rose this morning that 1) he definitely was told the Dolphins would reach out and make a serious offer for the number one (Joe Burrow) and that 2) they have not done it as of yet. Joe seems to give Armando plenty of props so what he says is always a possibility. I guess we will see.

That's what scares me about him. I don't see him learning that quickly enough to avoid more injuries. Besides Saban has coached in the NFL, you don't think he's been coaching Tua already on this? He hasn't learned it yet, what makes anyone think he's going to learn it in the NFL?

No he has been ...  at least he said they were. How much is another question. With that said ... I think for most "alpha" males learning comes more from experience than being told. Hopefully he is smart enough to learn it quickly since he has been "experiencing" it. 

He's been "experiencing" it since his freshman year.

What makes you think a guy like Herbert who is wildly inconsistent with the easiest of throws and can't get past his first or second read can be coached up, but Tua can't be coached to not extend plays?  That is usually what most Rookie QBs have an issue with, doing it all instead of the smart play like getting rid of the ball.  That can easily be coached out of a player IMO, much easier than what Herbert has ahead of himself.

Nightmare scenario.  Worst thing they could possibly do.  Ready for another 10 years of garbage play, and hunting for a new QB in 3.

This same team had one of the best QB's in league history for nearly 20 years, and zero trophies to show for it because he was always missing pieces.  Take a lesson from team history, Grier!

1) You can coach someone who's healthy. You can't coach someone if they are rehabbing.
2) Tua played for a NFL caliber coach in an NFL caliber offense. Herbert did not. In fact most consider it surprising that Herbert did as well as he did with the offense he was playing in. Most feel that when given a NFL caliber offense and NFL caliber team mates Herbert's game will elevate. That's not me saying that, that's NFL scouts saying that. What I think doesn't matter.

It didn't cost him anything until the hip. This injury screwed him no matter how you look at it.

Just games. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this shit out before you lose draft position and anyone that it does take that to figure out doesn't say much for their "awareness". Some guys never learn.

1) Tua has shown he is all but healthy right now.  He will be in training camp taking reps.  None of his injuries were repeat injuries.
2) And Tua has many accolades to show for it.  National championship as a freshman.  Led his team to two national championship appearances.  Set a new NCAA FBS passer rating record of 199.4 for the season.  Heisman runner up.  What does Herbert have to show?  Being big and throwing the ball hard and far?

Games? He lost a ton of money too. Before he got hurt he would have been drafted 1 or 2. Based on last years numbers he could miss at least 6 million dropping from 1 to 5th. Given the fact he could fall even lower than 5 the loss could be even much larger. If he drops to 10 and it's like a 15 million dollar loss.

1) Actually his wrist injury was a recurrence if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure about his ankles, I think it was different ankles at different times.
2) If you think all college teams are created equal you are wrong. Herbert taking Oregon to a major bowl win was actually a decent accomplishment for Oregon. Alabama winning a national championship is something they do about every other year with or without Tua.

So it's bigger for him to lose 15 million dollars then it is to lose playing time? Exactly the reason that I don't want him on my team.

I've gone back and forth on this so much I'm just going to support whatever they do (as long as they don't pick up Cam Newton). There is risk no matter what. Hell ... I thought Brady Quinn was going to be good.  

I have no idea where to post this tidbit but Peter King says the Redskins have no intention of trading their pick and passing on Chase Young. It would take a monstrous package for them to do so.

So, only have to worry about the Lions or Giants trading their picks now if we want Tua or Herbert.

Tua is the pick at #5.  Yes, the injuries were there, 2 ankle surgeries (both sides), slight knee injury in Fall '18 and of course the hip in November.

I was the first to be leery of drafting him after this happened. It looked brutal live, i was watching the game.  First thing that came to mind was the Bo Jackson hip injury. I saw that live too in the Cincy playoff game and it looked awkward.

Yet, Bo did nothing about it for nearly a month and by that time, damage was done and he was never the same

They displaced Tua's hip that same hour in the locker room, got him situated and got surgery that nite/next day IIRC. We've come a LONG way in surgery/rehab in the last 30 years.

From initial videos AND doctor's assessment he looks good with fully mobility and I'm sure he's working harder than ever, just his work ethic on the field in Bama.

Burrow and Tua are the ONLY two franchise QBs in this draft.  It's not even close. Don't get caught up in the bullshit and hype that teams throw out there, either to be deceptive or interesting.

Tua's checklist for me:
1. Did he play at a big time college (check)
2. Did he play against big time opponents/talent (check)
3. Was his performance at a high level or elite against that talent (check)

That's all you need to know.  MIA has to swing for the fences on this one.  You play it safe and go with Herbert cause he doesn't have an injury past and he looks decent, you're gonna fock yourself and get yourself a Tannehill 2.0 and be laughed at cause you settled AGAIN.

MIA has THREE draft picks in the 1st round.  They have a chance to make a huge impact on opening nite of the Draft.  If you miss with Tua cause he gets injured down the road, so be it, but he showed you what TALENT he was and that cannot be denied.

Tua is the guy I'd draft and I'll die on that hill whether he pans out or not.

I'll keep saying this until I'm blue in the face:

If Tua finishes the 2019 season in perfect health, there is absolutely no way MIA would even have the opportunity to draft him.  If he doesn't go #1 to CIN, WSH or DET would definitely draft him themselves.

When fortune smiles upon you, take yes for an answer.  This is the guy who was supposed to make a wasted season worth it.  If MIA drafts Tua at #5 and it turns out that he is too brittle for this league, consider that if he avoids the hip injury last year and MIA went 0-16 to take him #1, he still could have lost his career to injury later on.  RG3 was perfectly healthy when he was drafted.

I was thinking this the other day, Gruden and the Raiders are crazy enough to give up their two #1's, plus others to move up and take Miami's #5 so Gruden can pick his own QB.  Given what Miami did with the Tunsil trade I could see them accepting this trade of spots.  Not to mention that Tunsil trade keeps looking better and better given Tunsil's contract demands.

Our only option for a QB then is to hope we either land a gem in the 2nd or 3rd round or build a stacked team and see if we can grab a veteran in free agency like a Tom Brady for a one year Superbowl run.

I just hope that Miami keeps and uses it's three first round picks in this draft - we need the talent.

If Tua or Herbert is there at #5, that's good enough for me.

If for some reason Miami feels the need to trade up and burn a second rounder, I don't like it as much but I am still ok with it.

But not one of the other firsts. We have to replace Tunsil & Minkah for starters, those extra picks are reminders of that... 

Just say no.

i'm good with tua at 5 .. i'm especially excited to watch the draft this year .. it's just about the only sport on if you don't wanna watch taiwaneese baseball

Me too, and we get to enjoy the whole 1st round with an early, middle and late round pick.

The beauty of having so many holes is that your draft night isn't ruined if the guy you want was taken with the pick right before you. You can just pick one of 9 other guys and improve the team.

That's not true at all, the Dolphins have plenty of picks next year they could bundle to draft a QB next year.

So Barry Jacksoon wrote an article he said that Miami really likes Herbert, thinks he's the prototypical QB, big, big arm, needs to work on his accuracy.  Basically, saying that Miaimi is not taking Tua.

Barry Jackson may have done significant work on this article, but it's wrong. ALL. WRONG.

If Tua is there at No. 5, Miami is scooping him.  It's a smokescreen cause they don't want to have to worry about LAC making a trade before them, leaping into the no. 4 spot.

You don't pass a QB that was an elite player in college and if not for the hip injury, would have had an amazing season, almost level with Burrows. 

Either this is a smokescreen by MIA to ask Mr. Jackson to write this or Barry really is this dumb

Barry is NOT dumb.  Joe Rose said this morning with how far the Dolphins have distanced themselves from Tua it's pretty obvious they are going after Tua ... hahaha.

He also is conducting a poll to see who the fans want and Tua is killing it.

The Joe Rose Show
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One week from tonight. Who’s your pick? #NFLDraft

Tua - 71.5%
Herbert - 12%
Love - 5.7%
Other - 10.7%

923 votes · 20 hours left

Fan voting is the way that all NFL drafts should be held. /s

So, then you're saying Barry is writing this article for the Dolphins to create a smokescreen? I might have sounded harsh on Barry (my bad) but he's then been asked to write an article for a specific purpose and the desirable outcome for Miami to select Tua

Let's get one thing straight. The Dolphins didn't ask Barry to write the article. Barry wrote the article because he's a journalist and that's what they do. Now for what he puts into the article, it's his opinion. That's it. Nothing more. How he came upon his opinion is hard to say. Maybe he's just going on instincts? Maybe he's actually hearing things that made him believe the way he does? If so were those things said to him to influence the way he was thinking? Certainly possible. Are the Dolphins glad that he wrote the article? Certainly possible. Are they going to draft Tua? Certainly possible. Are they going to draft Herbert? Certainly possible. Are they going to draft someone else? Certainly possible. The only thing that's for certain is that no one outside of the Dolphins organization really knows all the facts including Barry. He's getting bits and pieces of information that he's formulating into an opinion. He doesn't know if the bits and pieces he's getting add up to the full picture or not. No one is coming out and straight up telling Barry what the Dolphins are gonna do. The Dolphins themselves have probably not yet really decided who they will draft. I'm sure they have a plan and I'm sure they have either Tua or Herbert higher on their QB list, but when it comes down to draft day, who knows what might happen that might change their minds. It's all up in the air and it will be that way until they make the choice and then they'll say that's who they wanted all along and we'll never really know if that's the truth or not.

I think that the Dolphins org is telling Barry exactly what he needed to hear to write that article. They know what levers to pull, and I believe that Tua is the real candidate all along. But they really, really have to feign disinterest or they're going to be pressured to make a ridiculous trade that they really shouldn't make (i.e. trading all three of their first rounders to move up two slots).

I don't think they told him to specifically write it but someone leaked it to him so that he would. Although no one will admit it ... this happens all the time. Writers know this but play the game because sometimes it pays off in future inside info.

I agree with you, I don't think they told Bary what to write, but they fed him enough info for him to run with it IMO.  I can't fathom that Bary BELIEVES Miami loves Herbert.  

I haven't read the article yet because I refuse to pay for sports news, but you think that Barry wrote the article even though he doesn't believe it? I can't believe that Barry would do that. A good journalist or at least someone who considered themselves a good journalist wouldn't do that. They would write what the Dolphins have told them and then say they don't believe it. Unless he said that he doesn't believe it or at least said he was skeptical, I can't believe that's true. That's not responsible reporting.

https://twitter.com/andrewperloff/status/1250796148463411202 (https://twitter.com/andrewperloff/status/1250796148463411202)

Andrew Perloff
@andrewperloff
"If a team decides to draft Justin Herbert, [that means] they are so scared Tua is going to be hurt... they are willing to chase mediocrity instead of greatness." - @danorlovsky7
 on @dpshow

This assumes that health and health alone is the only factor for not drafting him. I don't believe I've heard a single person who has advocated drafting Herbert over Tua basing that decision on health alone. It's a factor, not the only factor.

It really is the only factor to not draft Tua.  He's the superior prospect when all things are even.

That's not the opinion of everyone. It just isn't. Your second sentence in fact denies your first sentence. You said all things being even, but all things aren't even, his health is one factor, but it's not the ONLY factor. In fact I would go so far as to say that you're really ignoring what people have been saying suggesting health is the ONLY factor. If you believe that, then you can justify taking Tua. He's been working out. He just sent out a tape showing he can throw the football. No one is suggesting that he's not healthy, they are saying there is a risk involved. That's it. And those that don't advocate for Tua think the risk is bigger then the reward. The reward being the difference between Tua and the next best guy that doesn't have that same risk.

Let me rephrase - Tua is a superior prospect to Herbert when healthy, and it's not even close.  Also, if you look up who's missed more games between the two, you might be surprised.

This is the time of year when you should not believe anything you read, hear, smell, touch, etc when it comes to the draft.   Writers and analysts are either speculating just like we do or they are passing along misinformation (either knowingly or not) that they have been fed by team "sources".    If you were in management for an NFL team would you provide any kind of accurate information to anyone in the press (and thereby providing it to every other team)?  Of course you wouldn't.  Nor should you.  

The question is not whether Tua is a superior prospect to Herbert, the question is he ENOUGH of a superior prospect to Herbert to take the risk that comes with taking him. THAT is the question.

And for some both prospects are close. A lot closer then you impied. When you start listing off attributes of both, some are on Herbert's side. Namely Arm talent, Speed and Size. There are some on Tua's side as well of course, but it's not ONLY about his health.

Yes.

I just don't see any team leapfrogging us to take Tua now, not just due to injuries but draft cost. Chargers can stand pat and get Herbert, they don't have the draft capital or time to trade for Tua since the staff is on the hot seat. Raiders have two first rounders but can take Love at 12. Besides, it would cost more than their 2 first rounders since they have to go up 8 or 9 spots. Bucs just got Brady and he wants their picks to be used to win a Superbowl.

Panthers at 7 are the only team I can think of that has a chance at moving up but it's going to cost them and they may not want to pay that price since they are more than 1 player away from competing and don't have the draft capital for it.

Get ready for Tua, boys.

lol. Well I'd agree that's what journalism used to be, and what we wish it was.  But nowadays "journalists" write whatever will be noticed/repeated/read more; because that's how their employers measure their worth.

Consider the source before taking this comment seriously.

That is some truth right there!  Sadly, the same goes not just for sports "journalists" but for people who "report" (and I'm using that term very loosely) on real news that matters.  You can go to two different allegedly legit national news sources and you'd think they were talking about two completely different stories. 

What's wrong with Dan Orlovsky?

https://twitter.com/ckparrot/status/1250929669010010112 (https://twitter.com/ckparrot/status/1250929669010010112)

Chris Kouffman
@ckparrot
Brett Favre played his entire career with a hip condition. Injured it in Shrine Game. When Ron Wolf tried to trade Atlanta for him, the Packers doctors failed his physical, predicted avascular necrosis, gave him a 4-5 year outlook. Wolf overruled them. https://espn.com/nfl/news/story (https://espn.com/nfl/news/story)

in the article:

Favre said he hurt his hip in the East-West Shrine game, and the
condition is the same as the one that afflicted former football and
baseball star Bo Jackson.

Exactly...

He would know though, he's the poster boy of mediocrity.

All around the world, the Mediocre just took offense to that...   ;)

Mike Tannebaum, on the ESPN Get Up! this morning said Tua is not a Top-10 player int he draft.

Based on his opinion alone, I'd take Tua at No. 5.  I'd go oppo everything Mike says and does

The question is - and if you're Miami you may have to look at it in this fashion - of the following pool of 2020 and 2021 quarterbacks who would you most prefer?

Joe Burrows
Tua Tagovailoa
Justin Hebert
Trevor Lawrence
Justin Fields

Miami has the draft capital to move up to take any one of these players, if they really want to. I'm fine with waiting a year if Lawrence and Fields are graded as the best in this two year window.

That's different from what I said. Those reporters actually believe what they are writing despite having completely different opinions from each other.

Every team has the draft capital get Burrow, but the cost is not worth it. So really, our options are:

Tua
Herbert

Burrow is too much and we won't be bad enough to get the other two next year without also paying a huge price that probably isn't worth it. In that case, Tua is better.

oops, my bad, I thought Andrew "McLovin" Perelman said that.  He likes to stir the pot and call every great QB a "system QB".  He's funny, but as I said a lot of what he says is to stir the pot.

Cameron Wolfe
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@CameronWolfe

The Dolphins have 5 of the first 56 selections in the 2020 draft.
Only 6 teams in the common draft era have ever had that many picks within the first 56 picks.

Those teams combined for an eye-opening 62-22-1 (.729) record the following season, per @ESPNStatsInfo.

https://twitter.com/cameronwolfe/status/1251237749329285120?s=21 (https://twitter.com/cameronwolfe/status/1251237749329285120?s=21)

 :o

Really cool in-depth article on the draft prospects and their their metrics.  

Yes, on average, Tua’s release is quicker than Aaron Rodgers’s. And it’s even faster than the legendary throwing motion of Dan Marino. It’s that quick.

https://medium.com/@thetim_dix/nfl-draft-how-strong-is-joe-burrows-arm-b69abd897399 (https://medium.com/@thetim_dix/nfl-draft-how-strong-is-joe-burrows-arm-b69abd897399)

Per the Reddit Post I found the article through--Tua's release is quicker than Dan Marino's. Jordan Love's maximum launch velocity is the equivalent of a 98 MPH fastball. And Joe Burrow's decision making measured frame by frame.

thanks for sharing

My final take on Dolphins 1st round pick at No.5

If Tua is available at No. 5, Dolphins should absolutely take him. I would NOT trade up for him. Yes, I am high on him, but the draft capital that MIA has built over the last year with cuts and trades is the ultimate goal. To build a consistent playoff contender that may eventually get them to the Super Bowl.

IMO, the Chargers are gonna pull the trigger and either get DET or NYG to switch with them and make Tua their man.  With LAC moving up, and either one of those teams dropping back to the 6th slot, both teams will get their guy and get some additional compensation from LAC to a boot.

I could be wrong.  But as Dolphins have been building their team last season, this year with FA and now the draft, I don't think they should give away something to move up 2 slots and get him.

If Herbert is picked, so be it.  I think Tua is the better prospect and the better players, but I like those draft picks and this bigger than one guy, let's be honest.  MIA needs help at OL, RB, some other spots and I don't like them giving away picks for:

1) a guy (Tua) that is drafted and will most likely sit for the an entire year, learning behind Fitzpatrick & getting acclimated to the NFL
2) players (at No. 18 and 26) that should be contributing immediately this season.

Good luck Miami! Phins Up!

Falcons are supposedly trying to make a big splash and draft one of the Top 2 CB in the draft. They may trade all the way up to 3 or 4 to get it done. Matt Ryan is under an unmovable contract for another 4 years so if they trade up, it ain't for a QB.

This would be good for the Tua to Miami crowd.

Just passing this along  .... Rumor has it the Dolphins will be making a very aggressive move to get Burrow. Stephen Ross will be 80 in a couple of weeks and wants to win. Tua or anyone else is at least another year or so from starting and who knows how much time Ross has left.

I'm sure we already made a very generous offer to the Bengals already, but it's not going to happen. Like I've said elsewhere, it's one thing to try to move up and get a franchise QB. It's quite another to move up for a franchise QB that the drafting team already wants desperately. It's going to cost us at least 3 1st Rounders to move up, not counting the #5 pick of course. It's just not worth the cost. Tua will be learning behind a very smart QB who is also a great teammate. Excellent position for him to be in, he may even get to start some games towards the end of the season.

No bullshit, if our 2020 draft picks and free agency moves pan out, we can become a contender in 2021 with another good draft haul. The Patriots are dead, the Jets are run like shit and the Bills don't have a franchise QB. We can do this if we hit on this draft. Ross may not have to wait long but he will if we give up every big draft pick we got.

Possibly ... but as of late last week Armando was saying that although we plan to we hadn't to that point.

If the choice is between:

1) Burrow
2) Tua and keeping 3 more first-round picks

...this is an extremely easy decision.  Several analysts rate Tua as having a higher ceiling than Burrow.

I don't disagree but almost all think Burrow has a better shot of staying healthy.

If "Tua has a quicker release than Marino" wasn't a sign that we should draft him, I don't know what is.

It's not even a decision really, every single person would pick Tua and the draft picks. If it was Burrow for a first rounder, a 2nd and some other stuff then we can talk but that isn't going to happen.

That just turns the decision into, "Are you willing to bet 3 firsts that Burrow will be healthier than Tua?"

Agreed. Fins Up!

I still say they need to think more broadly and be willing to skip trading the house for Burrow or risk tying themselves to a recovering Tua.

Be willing not to draft a QB this year, and go all in on Trevor Lawrence in 2021.

I'd take Justin Fields over Trevor Lawrence. 

If you're willing to trade 3-4 first rounders for a QB, might as well do it this year for Burrow than next year for Lawrence.

The only way to go all in on Lawrence is to win 0 games, as there is a high chance that the #1 overall team will strongly desire to keep him.  If MIA was aiming to do that, they shouldn't have signed the highest-paid CB duo in the league.

The only trade that would have pried Andrew Luck out of the hands of the Colts would have make the Ditka trade for Ricky Williams look moderate and restrained.

Unless the team with the worst record is the Bengals again. No way they take him if they draft Burrow. Probably safe to say it would be the same the same for the Cardinals.

Jim Nagy was on Joe Rose this morning and said that media was on a different page than GMs. He said that the talk around the league favors Justin Herbert and even Jordon Love over Tua. It won't be much longer until we find out.

The front office are masters of deception.  In the last 3 days I've heard:

--Definitely Tua
--Definitely Herbert
--Definitely an OT
--Definitely Love

Watch them shock everyone and take Simmons lmao.

It would be funny to be the Chargers if Miami selects an OT with their pick because then they have 5 minutes to figure out what the hell Miami found out about Tua to not pick him.

I would say i'm not sure about Tua. But wouldn't be disappointed if they drafted him.

TUA TUA TUA WOOOOOOOOOOO
DYANSTY STARTS NOW

YESSS!!!!!!!

Please stay healthy please stay healthy please stay healthy

Chris Grier is the master of deception!!