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Title: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: hordman on August 11, 2020, 09:11:34 pm
LOL

trash article

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2902434-minkah-fitzpatricks-mission (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2902434-minkah-fitzpatricks-mission)

"It's definitely a challenge, but I'm always up for it," Fitzpatrick says.

Where was that challenge last August? He talks about all the hardships and working his way through these and becoming mentally tough, but I think he bitched out when Flores asked him to do something they thought he was capable of.  Instead of acting like a man and waiting for the season to be over, he pulled the "I'm taking my ball and going home" card and got traded.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a hell of a player (I'm a Bama fan as well) and loved it when Dolphins picked him 1st in the draft.  I don't think he used to playing on a bad team and he got his feelings hurt

I hope he's a flash in the pan and the Stillers go to shit.  I live in Central PA so I don't like them to begin with. 


Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: Phishfan on August 11, 2020, 11:37:30 pm
I didn't even finish the article before spotting the bullshit. The initial story was he was not playing up to potential and was upset about being asked to do too much.  Now he says he is upset because they limited his role. Which story is it? I  was wrong on this one, I thought he would be a special one.


Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: Pappy13 on August 12, 2020, 11:49:01 am
Dolphins and Flores made a HUGE mistake with Fitzpatrick. Just face it they did. I don't care if Flores goes on to be the greatest coach in the history of the NFL, he made a mistake with Fitzpatrick. You don't do that to your best players. You just don't. One of THE greatest things about Don Shula was that he knew how to take advantage of players strengths, no matter what they were. THAT is YOUR JOB as a head coach. Finding out how to use your players to the best of THEIR ability and adapting your scheme to them, not putting your players in position to fail because it's what you want for your scheme. That's coaching 101 folks and he screwed it up,  there's no question about it. He made a mistake. A HUGE mistake. Hopefully he'll learn from it. Fitzpatrick was RIGHT for wanting out and Flores is to blame for it.There's absolutely NO good reason that Fitzpatrick isn't on the Dolphins this year. NONE! Flores got schooled by Tomlin on this one.


Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: Fau Teixeira on August 12, 2020, 01:30:06 pm
Dolphins and Flores made a HUGE mistake with Fitzpatrick. Just face it they did. I don't care if Flores goes on to be the greatest coach in the history of the NFL, he made a mistake with Fitzpatrick. You don't do that to your best players. You just don't. One of THE greatest things about Don Shula was that he knew how to take advantage of players strengths, no matter what they were. THAT is YOUR JOB as a head coach. Finding out how to use your players to the best of THEIR ability and adapting your scheme to them, not putting your players in position to fail because it's what you want for your scheme. That's coaching 101 folks and he screwed it up,  there's no question about it. He made a mistake. A HUGE mistake. Hopefully he'll learn from it. Fitzpatrick was RIGHT for wanting out and Flores is to blame for it.There's absolutely NO good reason that Fitzpatrick isn't on the Dolphins this year. NONE! Flores got schooled by Tomlin on this one.

#disagree


Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: Tenshot13 on August 12, 2020, 02:13:36 pm
Dolphins and Flores made a HUGE mistake with Fitzpatrick. Just face it they did. I don't care if Flores goes on to be the greatest coach in the history of the NFL, he made a mistake with Fitzpatrick. You don't do that to your best players. You just don't. One of THE greatest things about Don Shula was that he knew how to take advantage of players strengths, no matter what they were. THAT is YOUR JOB as a head coach. Finding out how to use your players to the best of THEIR ability and adapting your scheme to them, not putting your players in position to fail because it's what you want for your scheme. That's coaching 101 folks and he screwed it up,  there's no question about it. He made a mistake. A HUGE mistake. Hopefully he'll learn from it. Fitzpatrick was RIGHT for wanting out and Flores is to blame for it.There's absolutely NO good reason that Fitzpatrick isn't on the Dolphins this year. NONE! Flores got schooled by Tomlin on this one.
#disagree
#disagree­²


Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: hordman on August 12, 2020, 04:44:32 pm
I didn't even finish the article before spotting the bullshit. The initial story was he was not playing up to potential and was upset about being asked to do too much.  Now he says he is upset because they limited his role. Which story is it? I  was wrong on this one, I thought he would be a special one.

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Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 13, 2020, 01:41:20 am
Not a Philbin Gase Flores guy.

You guys know how I feel about coaches that only want to coach players when it's easy and convenient.


Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on August 13, 2020, 02:09:02 pm
Bullshit.

Perhaps we could've handled the situation better, but we drafted Minkah to be a team leader, that was his pedigree. Leaders don't whine about their roles and ask to be traded. The skill is there but we were all wrong about the attitude.


Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: Pappy13 on August 13, 2020, 02:23:35 pm
Actually leaders do step up when they are being asked to play out of position and request they be given a chance to succeed especially when they have already proven they are capable of getting the job done. It's up to the coach to listen to his leaders and help them lead, not undercut them and tell them to do as they are told. You don't have any leaders when that's the case, all you have are the coaches and the best coaches will tell you that you need strong leaders out of your players. Players that are willing/able to go to the coaches and reason with them when they see things getting out of whack is when the coach and the player get together to find common ground. I haven't heard Flores side of the story, but everything I have heard from Minkah up to this point is completely believable. Until Flores says Minkah is full of BS and gives his side of the story, I'll continue to believe Minkah. I believe most of you changed your mind on Minkah because you don't want to believe that he could be telling the truth rather seeing a poor attitude from Minkah when that's not been his character all along. You're choosing to believe what you want to believe when the facts don't seem to support that belief.

I support the Dolphins and their coaching staff right up to the point where I don't. I didn't support their decision on Jarvis Landry and I didn't support this decision on Minkah Fitpatrick. In Jarvis case I think his talent is undeniable and he was a strong leader despite his occasional lapses in judgement. I also think Minkah's talent is undeniable and I also think he was a strong leader and was trying to do the right thing and Flores made it about himself. This typically happens to young coaches who see the players challenging their authority, you don't typically see it with established confident coaches that see it for what it is, a player who just wants to win. It's obvious that's true to most of you now about Gase, because he's the coach of the Jets. You just don't see it in Flores because he's still coach of the Dolphins.

When you draft good players, you have to find a way to keep them, not find ways to have them leave. In both cases it was the latter rather then former. For the record I was on board with the Laremy Tunsil trade. Miami didn't look to trade him, someone came and made the Dolphins an offer they couldn't refuse. There's a difference.


Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 13, 2020, 06:51:00 pm
Say what you want about Sparano, but I can't recall him dumping a talented player just because he didn't feel like coaching him.


Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: Tenshot13 on August 14, 2020, 08:04:01 am
Say what you want about Sparano, but I can't recall him dumping a talented player just because he didn't feel like coaching him.
He did want to coach him, Minkah didn't want to be there and asked to be traded.


Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: Pappy13 on August 14, 2020, 08:45:24 am
He did want to coach him, Minkah didn't want to be there and asked to be traded.
Only after being denied a chance to play Safety.


Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 14, 2020, 11:47:09 am
He did want to coach him, Minkah didn't want to be there and asked to be traded.
So a second-year player with no professional accolades to his name forced his way out in the middle of the season?  With what leverage?

To use a variant of the Bobby D quote from Casino, either Flores was too incompetent to stop Minkah from leaving, or he supported it.  Either way, it's his fault.


Title: Re: Bleacher Report - How the Dolphins Failed Minkah
Post by: Pappy13 on August 20, 2020, 06:05:00 pm
Chan Gaily agrees...not about Minkah but about coaching in general.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article245111180.html