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Title: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on August 26, 2020, 04:53:05 pm
Just happened so no word yet on if the league says it is a forfeit, if other teams will join them or any of that.

All I know is if I gave out a large TV deal to the NBA, I may be looking for an out clause right about now. Ratings are bad for the restart and this will only make them even worse for this season and beyond.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: Dave Gray on August 26, 2020, 07:24:58 pm
I think you're wrong.  I think this will likely help ratings, long-term. 

Also, I don't think it's fair to say that ratings are bad for the restart.  What are you comparing them to?  These are day games that the NBA doesn't traditionally have.  I can only speak for myself, but I've been watching and so has everyone else I know that normally watches basketball.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on August 26, 2020, 08:40:19 pm
I think you're wrong.  I think this will likely help ratings, long-term. 

Also, I don't think it's fair to say that ratings are bad for the restart.  What are you comparing them to?  These are day games that the NBA doesn't traditionally have.  I can only speak for myself, but I've been watching and so has everyone else I know that normally watches basketball.
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Ratings are down for all sports, you can say whether it's because no fans is weird, they don't see the seasons as legit, people don't want politics in sports or maybe some of each, but ratings are down. I don't think people are more likely to watch sports when they are political. The country is very polarized, so people who disagree with a players or teams politics will just stop watching.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 27, 2020, 12:21:09 am
I knew (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=24288.msg336404#msg336404) this discussion (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=24368.0) seemed familiar (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=24941.0)...

With both the NBA and the NFL suffering dramatic losses in viewership due to all the wokeness, I guess that leaves MLB and the NHL as the ascendant sports in America?


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on August 27, 2020, 08:35:45 am
Looks like the Lakers pulled the same stunt.  It should be simple.  If you boycott, you don't get paid.  You are paid to play the game.  Spouting your beliefs is not in your job description and not what you're being paid to do.  You do that on your own time


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on August 27, 2020, 08:40:06 am
Looks like the Lakers pulled the same stunt.  It should be simple.  If you boycott, you don't get paid.  You are paid to play the game.  Spouting your beliefs is not in your job description and not what you're being paid to do.  You do that on your own time

From what I read, the players share revenues with the owners 50/50. So, it's a weird boycott that could have really bad financial implications down the road. I don't think any players are starving right now but stuff like this can lead to lock outs and TV contracts being revisited. Plus, they don't appear to be unified since only the LA teams voted to cancel the season.

I'm a Knicks fan so I obviously don't care about basketball anymore but this isn't going to make more people watch.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: stinkfish on August 27, 2020, 08:56:50 am
I heard on the radio on my commute this morning that my Lakers and that other LA basketball team actually voted to not finish out the season. Again, I heard this on one of my local music stations, so I don't have an actual  story or piece to follow up with this.
I know that there are more important things than sports. But I hope that the season gets back on track. Selfishly, I'm a Lakers fan and this is their year so I want another banner. But also, having a sports season, even a truncated one, is normal, and just feels good. I think it's a good way to heal.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: Dave Gray on August 27, 2020, 09:41:20 am
I heard on the radio on my commute this morning that my Lakers and that other LA basketball team actually voted to not finish out the season.

I heard the same thing.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on August 27, 2020, 10:27:46 am
I heard on the radio on my commute this morning that my Lakers and that other LA basketball team actually voted to not finish out the season. Again, I heard this on one of my local music stations, so I don't have an actual  story or piece to follow up with this.
I know that there are more important things than sports. But I hope that the season gets back on track. Selfishly, I'm a Lakers fan and this is their year so I want another banner. But also, having a sports season, even a truncated one, is normal, and just feels good. I think it's a good way to heal.

I'm a bizarro purist because I don't think any of these seasons are legitimate and being a long suffering Knicks and Rangers fan, I am glad my teams stink and won't be winning these championships. Raising the Stanley Cup in an empty arena after a 4 month break is just illegitimate to me.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on August 27, 2020, 02:01:21 pm
Looks like Lebron and his team has backed away from their stance to cancel the season.

This is pure spreculation on my part, but as I said above, the TV networks undoubtedly went over those contracts and may have found that boycotting is a breach of them. Without TV money, the NBA and all sports are kind of dead. Especially now with no paid attendance.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: Phishfan on August 27, 2020, 02:18:00 pm
I'm a bizarro purist because I don't think any of these seasons are legitimate and being a long suffering Knicks and Rangers fan, I am glad my teams stink and won't be winning these championships. Raising the Stanley Cup in an empty arena after a 4 month break is just illegitimate to me.

Exactly what every fan whose team has no chance is saying.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on August 27, 2020, 02:24:24 pm
Exactly what every fan whose team has no chance is saying.

Probably, but I am also a Yankees fan and I'm not watching any of the games this year. They have a legit shot at winning the World Series but it's a giant exhibition season to me and I almost hope they don't.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: Tenshot13 on August 27, 2020, 02:25:22 pm
Lightning are going to win the cup, it's a legit year.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: Phishfan on August 27, 2020, 02:26:24 pm
The problem with this method is that it doesn't make the correct point to people it actually needs to. I understand it is making use of the most powerful weapon they have but it isn't going to open a discussion about police violence. There needs to be common ground found at some point and this clouds the water I fear.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 27, 2020, 04:58:17 pm
I'm a bizarro purist because I don't think any of these seasons are legitimate and being a long suffering Knicks and Rangers fan, I am glad my teams stink and won't be winning these championships. Raising the Stanley Cup in an empty arena after a 4 month break is just illegitimate to me.
I've never seen anyone claim that LeBron really only has two championships, or that Duncan and Pop have an asterisk next to their five, or that John Riggins's Super Bowl MVP is illegitimate.  Nor have I seen anyone say that the World Series held when many top players were serving in WW2 don't count.

In 10 years, the only thing that people will care about is who won the championship.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 27, 2020, 05:29:01 pm
The problem with this method is that it doesn't make the correct point to people it actually needs to. I understand it is making use of the most powerful weapon they have but it isn't going to open a discussion about police violence. There needs to be common ground found at some point and this clouds the water I fear.
I don't think this objection can be addressed.

Let's keep in mind that when the protest of choice was silently kneeling, this was considered a grave offense and a outrageous insult to America.  Any protest that is visible enough to be noticed will be called the wrong way to go about protesting.

There will always be a group of Americans that, when it comes to protests for causes they do not support, the only acceptable level of visibility is "invisible."


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on August 27, 2020, 07:07:04 pm
I've never seen anyone claim that LeBron really only has two championships, or that Duncan and Pop have an asterisk next to their five, or that John Riggins's Super Bowl MVP is illegitimate.  Nor have I seen anyone say that the World Series held when many top players were serving in WW2 don't count.

In 10 years, the only thing that people will care about is who won the championship.

For the NFL and NHL? Sure, I can see that. For MLB? I don't think so. 60 game schedule, rule changes just for this season, expanded playoffs and games canceled due one player having a positive test? That's too extreme. Every other league is just a long break in between, MLB isn't even playing 40% of a season.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: Phishfan on August 27, 2020, 08:14:29 pm
I don't think this objection can be addressed.

Let's keep in mind that when the protest of choice was silently kneeling, this was considered a grave offense and a outrageous insult to America.  Any protest that is visible enough to be noticed will be called the wrong way to go about protesting.

There will always be a group of Americans that, when it comes to protests for causes they do not support, the only acceptable level of visibility is "invisible."

The thing is, there are people out there that agree with the cause but they are too wrapped up in objecting to the method to join the fight.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: Fau Teixeira on September 05, 2020, 09:12:12 pm
They've also boycotted the series against the heat.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on September 05, 2020, 09:39:31 pm
They've also boycotted the series against the heat.

Hard to beat a quality NBA team when your priorities lie elsewhere.


Title: Re: Milkwaukee Bucks Boycott Playoff Game
Post by: Tenshot13 on September 07, 2020, 10:15:22 am
I'm 100% okay with them sitting out games to protest vs. kneeling during the national anthem.