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Things are getting worse across the country and we haven't hit the Thanksgiving spike yet.

In FL, things are getting worse again.
I have had a few cases in my circles but haven't been exposed and everyone has recovered fully so far.

Christmas is gonna be tough -- I think my mother in law is expecting us to gather.  Even though it's a relatively small group of people that she sees individually, we don't all see each other and it's 4 different households, which I just don't think is safe.  I don't want to be one of those "I didn't mean me" people when it comes to guidelines.

I'm a little concerned that there seem to be different worlds.  I see some people on Facebook that I know just doing nothing different -- going to bars and live music.  And then people like me, who have a small group of people I see, and then I have people who are locked down like Tom Hanks in Castaway.

I really don't want to catch this.

I just got in a huge fight with my mom yesterday about getting together for Christmas.  She says we WILL have Christmas, I said we'll see, it's not looking good right now.  She went ballistic, and this is even after her cousins met up for thanksgiving in another state with their family and someone had COVID, giving it to everyone.  Her stupid friends keep telling her "it's okay" and they all meet up with their families so why can't our family?  She has a pacemaker and my dad has been fighting stage 4 cancer for the better part of a decade (He's one of those rare cases that seemed like he wasn't going to make it and then non aggressive treatments have actually shrunk all his tumors).  Oh and he has diabetes.  It's really weighing on me that I'm the bad guy for trying to be smart about this with my high risk parents and not wanting them to die.

On top of that, we're going to try for a baby next year, and I have no idea what that might do to my wife in the long term if she gets it, or her pregnancy.  

^^^ I got a little of the "why aren't you coming for Christmas" from my AZ family, but most have come to terms with the whole "do whatever it takes to get past this" attitude, but I know it still hurts for them not to see the rest of the family during the holidays.

We've been locked down like tom hanks in castaway. It's not worth it to take risks that are unnecessary. sure not going out sucks .. but this is where we are.

Relief may be in sight with the vaccines coming.

My godmother had it, but recovered after couple weeks

I know that I'm (kind of) a stranger to you, but I do think you're doing the right thing.  Your mom will get over it, if you decide not to gather.  There will be lots of other Christmases.  I'm also worried about being the bad guy, but I'd rather be the bad guy than have dead relatives.

I think that we're trending in a direction that, unfortunately, is going to make this choice easier as we get closer.  I'm kinda not making a final decision, thinking it might get easier when it's so obvious that things are bad.

Doing another zoom meeting with my family for Christmas. The Thanksgiving one worked out great. It's not like being together but it's not bad either. For Christmas we have decided to all wear something "special" for the zoom meeting. My wife got me a HOHOHO shirt...or is it an OHOHOH shirt, kinda hard to tell. She bought herself a reindeer suit. Should be fun.

I did a Zoom meeting for Thanksgiving and it worked out very well.  I set up some more family members so they can join the Christmas call.

We had a convo with my mother in law.  (Well, my wife did.)  It kinda didn't go well but it is what it is.

The biggest issue we're having trouble with communication is how it's different for person A to see B, B to see C, and C to see D that it is for person A to directly see D.

Our family all sees each other in a web, in some fashion.  But getting all of them in one room is just not safe.  Also, most of the later generations just don't care -- we understand and don't mind sitting a year out.  But the older folks are holding on to the tradition.


I just got news today that my good friend's Grandma died of COVID.  She was very old.  Still, sucks...

^^^ Oh, come on, Maine...surely these are hoaxes perpetuated by the far left Democrats to oppress and subjugate the population with socialist face masks...

 ;)

Here's (https://www.quora.com/How-can-a-disease-with-1-mortality-shut-down-the-United-States/answer/Franklin-Veaux) an interesting thread in response to the "Only 1% of COVID victims die, what's the big deal?" people:

There are two problems with this question.

1. It neglects the law of large numbers; and
2. It assumes that one of two things happen: you die or you’re 100% fine.

The US has a population of 328,200,000. If one percent of the population dies, that’s 3,282,000 people dead.

Three million people dead would monkey wrench the economy no matter what. That more than doubles the number of annual deaths all at once.

The second bit is people keep talking about deaths. Deaths, deaths, deaths. Only one percent die! Just one percent! One is a small number! No big deal, right?

What about the people who survive?

For every one person who dies:

    19 more require hospitalization.
    18 of those will have permanent heart damage for the rest of their lives.
    10 will have permanent lung damage.
    3 will have strokes.
    2 will have neurological damage that leads to chronic weakness and loss of coordination.
    2 will have neurological damage that leads to loss of cognitive function.

So now all of a sudden, that “but it’s only 1% fatal!” becomes:

    3,282,000 people dead.
    62,358,000 hospitalized.
    59,076,000 people with permanent heart damage.
    32,820,000 people with permanent lung damage.
    9,846,000 people with strokes.
    6,564,000 people with muscle weakness.
    6,564,000 people with loss of cognitive function.

That's the thing that the folks who keep going on about “only 1% dead, what’s the big deal?” don’t get.

The choice is not “ruin the economy to save 1%.” If we reopen the economy, it will be destroyed anyway. The US economy cannot survive everyone getting COVID-19.

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It's also worth mentioning that if we wind up with over 60 million people that need hospitalization in this country, a lot more than "1%" of COVID victims will die.

Less than 1% percent of all airline passengers died on 9.11.01. 

More Americans died of Covid during each of the last three days than died of terrorism on 9.11.

Everyday we should be responding to Covid with the same level of intensity as we responded to 9.11.

 

I get that people are dealing with a lot of bad issues from covid but the truth is most famous athletes, actors, and politicians who have had covid and are perfectly fine. Every week players or coaches miss football games and show up a couple of weeks later and aren't missing a beat. If that is what you see all the time and have no one in your life that has had to deal with it other than a positive test or two then it's almost comical to think they should now panic because tv tells them to. 

It is a dilemma. Hell ... I know different hospital people, both doctors and nurses, who hold opposite opinions on the matter. It isn't as black and white as people want to pretend. 

Tell me the last time that there was a "flu" list in the NFL?

So anyone who didn't personally know one of the less than 3000 people who died on 9.11 panicked about terrorism because the media told them to? 

I really hope you're not this douche' in real life.

I am a douche for disputing the claim that 3000 people dying a day is not a valid concern but merely a tv induced panic?  You might want to look in the mirror.

For the record, I think you're a douche and it has nothing to do with this thread.   >:D

No name calling, please.  It's like...rule one of the Internet.

CF, nobody is suggesting panic.  It's not honest to say that the media is asking you to panic.

But this is a big fucking deal.  300,000 Americans are already dead with many more in the pipeline.  That's WITH a good amount of the population working from home, masking, staying away from others, etc.

Asking people to take things seriously and mitigate risks wherever possible isn't the same as asking them to panic.

Also, it's not about football players.  It's about all of us.  If football players are careless, getting COVID, and spreading to other football players, who then get on planes and re-infect their families and cities, more people will die, have long term lung damage, etc.  That's a fact.  The actions taken by the NFL will result in people living or dying.

But this is so preventable, yet people are still down-playing the severity.   So, the media essentially begging the public to comply isn't panic -- they're literally doing their job to try to save lives.  All of this is in the face of toilet bloggers muddying the water with their bullshit.  It's a constant fight against misinformation.

Look, man.  I wish COVID just infected you and you died from it, personally and indiscriminately in a day.  If you want to go out and get COVID and die, do you.  But that's not how this virus manifests -- it sits in wait, infecting and killing the unsuspecting and vulnerable -- and that's not right to expose that population.

My wife has to work in a classroom of students.  She is doing a job that society needs.  So, I'm not OK with those kids going off and doing whatever and getting COVID because they're healthy and it's incredibly unlikely to kill them.  She doesn't have a real choice in the matter, so it's up to all of us to protect people like my wife. 

LOL

Correct about name calling ... sorry Hoodie. I was just pointing out "why" people have the opposite view of most of you guys. It doesn't have a real life effect on many of us and from what we see it doesn't jive with the panic. In fact ... since most people survive without any lasting effects few people (percentage wise) have real life experiences with the worst case scenarios.

All of our kids are still going to school and playing sports. In fact Central Florida is busy hosting all kinds of tournaments where teams from all over the country have and will play.  We are going to work, stores, the beach, restaurants, and things like biker events where people are on top of each other.  To live like that and not experience the worst of Covid it is really hard to get freaked out because CNN says so. Maybe if we sat around watching tv all the time instead of living but that isn't the case. I'm sure you've heard it is better to die free than to live in chains. Well ... many people feel that way or at least think they do. My in-laws are in their late 70s and haven't changed a thing in their lives that I know of. In fact .... they are some of the biggest anti maskers I know and he is retired from the medical field.

CNN didn't tell you to freak out. You use that term because it sounds better to you than saying "The media tells us to take precautions."

And CNN told you the same thing that ABC, NBC and CBS did. Only Faux (French for "Fake," btw) wants you to freak out, because you're easier to control when you think someone is trying to take your freedom away.

Saw a study the other day pointing out that towns with lots of returning college kids had twice the increase in covid-related deaths that towns with few. The research indicated that the kids brought the virus back with them and infected their family and community, which in turn resulted in a lot of deaths, mainly (as usual) among the elderly.

Additionally, hospitals are getting swamped. Get too swamped and not only does the mortality rate for COVID go way up, it affects all the other care hospitals provide.

The point isn't that our kids get sick and die (that is, fortunately, very rare), but that we are all part of a community and unless you are willing to isolate yourself from said community, you have a responsibility to behave responsibly.

(And, no, hosting major interstate tournaments isn't responsible.)

You keep using the term "panic".  But where is that coming from?  What's the panic?  I mean, I take it seriously because I understand cause and effect, so I do what I can to reduce risks -- but the messaging of the major news outlets is pretty clear about what the CDC suggests.

I don't doubt that you're right -- I think that some people have difficultly using other people's experiences as evidence to dispute their own experiences.  This carries on to lots of different topics, diseases just being one.

CNN, ABC, NBC, .... it doesn't really matter. They are all in bed with each other. . In the latest example they buried the Hunter Biden story and Eric Swalwell stories. So much that you most likely think it isn't a big deal. Had they reported it most people would be very condemning of both and those that protected them. FOX is just coming from a different perspective but is doing them same things to certain degree. Just like keeping incriminating evidence from a spouse ... manipulation of media by not reporting or purposely omitting facts is just as bad as making up stories. Sadly ... they do all of the above.

Panic is the actions towards the virus and against people who do not share the same fear. Panic is banning people from celebrating Thanksgiving with family. Panic is passing policies that you have to chew with your mask on, closing beaches for months, forcing businesses to close or else. Panic is the ludicrous decisions made every single day in the name of safety that have no effect on the virus. It blows peoples minds that so much of south Florida is still locked down or that people aren't going to restaurants. We have been back to full capacity for months. Panic is reading the posts on this thread by people who think they are one step away from wiping out their entire family. Charley Pride just died from covid issues and while sad ... he was 86. Did covid really kill Charley Pride or was it the fact he was 86?  He could have just as easily caught a cold, got pneumonia and died. Sadly it happens every day. I don't wish covid on anyone and realize it can really bad. I just don't see enough evidence to quit living. I have high blood pressure and was recently told my kidneys are functioning at 50% by my Nephrologist. I didn't even know what the heck a Nephrologist was before the pandemic. Who knows ... any of us could die soon anyway. Personally I'd hate to think we spent the last year of our lives locked in the house instead of creating memories with family and friends.

None of the things you're describing are the correct use of the word "panic".  You're being fast and loose with that term.

Again, you're not being honest -- nobody is "banning" Thanksgiving.  They're recommending you don't gather.  It's not smart to mix households.  That's science.  They're letting you know.  Sometimes, the recommendations are not reasonable, like masking between bites at a restaurant.  But, it's probably safer to say, "when you're not eating" wear a mask if you can.  Even then, even if someone were to recommend that you do something like that, is that really panic?

Did covid really kill Charley Pride?  Yes, ....yes it did.

Could he have easily died from pneumonia -- no.  Not as easily.  COVID is orders of magnitude more prevalent and deadly.  Even with all the precautions we've taken, in about 3/4 of a year, COVID has killed 6x more than pneumonia does, on average, and still has 3 months to go.

"Any of us could die soon anyway".  I don't even know what to say to this -- aren't we past this talking point yet?  We wear seatbelts, helmets, don't smoke, etc...sure, anyone could die -- but you still mitigate and minimize risks.

They didn’t bury either of those stories I am well aware of both of them from reading CNN and NYT.

Ahhhh, I see... Everybody but you and your friends are involved in the world's largest conspiracy to prevent Donald from his rightful throne. There is no proof of this, but who cares, right?

Careful when you back away from that ridiculous position you've taken...you might fall off the edge of the flat Earth.

The funny thing is almost everyone admits the media twisted their opinion on things or misrepresents stories but yet when anyone mentions the media being wrong about something they personally want to believe to be true then that accuser must be wearing tin foil hats. hahaha

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/major-media-outlets-mostly-ignore-story-linking-rep-eric-swalwell-to-suspected-chinese-spy

Major news outlets have mostly ignored the Axios report linking Rep. Eric Swalwell to a suspected Chinese spy early in his political career.

“However, despite having been a loyal guest on MSNBC and CNN for three years to promote the Russia investigation — including allegations about President Trump being an ‘agent’ of the Kremlin — the latest Swalwell news received almost no attention from the cable news outlets on Tuesday,” Fox News reported Wednesday.

“MSNBC spent roughly five minutes on Axios' reporting during the network's 5 a.m. program on Tuesday without mentioning it again for the rest of the day. Meanwhile, CNN completely avoided the story altogether, both on-air and online,” the report continued.

Fox News also noted that major newspapers such as the New York Times and the Washington Post, both of which dedicated much coverage to allegations against President Trump concerning Russia, had not yet afforded any coverage to the Swalwell story. Broadcast networks ABC, NBC, and CBS also skipped coverage of the controversy during morning and evening shows.