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Actually my wife and Mother n law do too. One of my daughters had it but seems to have gotten over it pretty quickly. We think she is the one we got it from. I got sick last week and tested positive on Christmas Eve. I'm the only one who has lost their taste. Hopefully it starts to get better soon.

CF, I'm really sorry to hear of this and I hope you make a full recovery.  Please let us know what your symptoms are like.  

Similar to the Flu so far. High and low fevers, headaches, body aches, stuffy nose, and being physically exhausted. Like I said ... I also lost my sense of taste and smell and that is pretty weird in all of this. Fortunately none of us have had any breathing issues.

I hope you and the family get through this as easily as possible.  I remember Spider had it earlier this year and if I remember correctly, he said he wasn't too terribly sick.  Hopefully the same will be true for you and your family.

Best of luck -- keep us in the loop.

Sorry to hear that.  Hope everything works out.

I have some other friends who have gotten it and the taste/smell thing seems to be pretty weird.  Some of them are saying that this didn't return for many weeks.

Sorry to hear it.  I can say from experience that it can be a very scary ordeal, even with mild symptoms.  Let me know if you'd like some info on breathing exercises to help keep your airways clear.

Get well soon. I've seen a thing going around Facebook, so it must be true, saying you should sleep on your stomach or side, but not your back.  Supposedly this helps keep your lungs from becoming congested and leading to breathing issues.

Get well soon

On a somewhat related note, I got my first dose of the COVID vaccine today (the Moderna version).  I can get the final dose in 4 weeks and return to something like normal life.

How did you get it so quickly?  You aren’t a frontline medical worker or live in a nursing facility.

I work in IT for a healthcare organization, and I have daily direct contact (in a direct support functionality) with healthcare workers who themselves provide services to COVID-positive patients.

I would be interested in hearing what, if any, side effects you experience if you don't mind sharing that information. 

Keep in mind Spiders reaction to the vaccine *might* be different than the reaction of someone who has not had Covid as he already has some antibodies in his system.  The vaccine *might* even be redundant in his case.

Definitely.  I wasn't wanting to know in order to draw any conclusions about the vaccine.  Spider is just a good dude and I am simply curious as to what his personal experience is with it. 

My arm is sore.
I'll provide further info as it develops.

That's enough for me...I'm out. J/K of course.

in open for anything. So far my lungs are fine but my mil just was admitted with pneumonia and my wife has bronchitis.

So apparently there were enough people that were supposed to get the vaccine that declined it in Dallas they started to offer it to people that wanted it. My wife signed up today and she got a call back that she is approved to get the vaccine. Now she just has to wait for a call back when she will get it. She's gonna register me now to see if I'm accepted. Apparently you have to have some type of pre existing condition to qualify. I'm on medication for high blood pressure although my blood pressure is not high because of the medication and I had some issues with my kidneys last year which might qualify me. So my wife and I may be getting vaccinated soon.

Benefiting from other people’s stupidity.  I am hoping that many people opt not to get the vaccine so I can get it sooner.

Last night I had a fever of 101.9 with muscle aches and a headache (but no cough).  I was rather concerned that I might be unlucky enough to have caught COVID (again) right before getting vaccinated, which I'm sure would have blown up my whole vaccine schedule.

Fortunately, we are tested weekly at my job, and I got my results this morning from my test 2 days ago - negative.  So it looks like I may be experiencing side effects from the vaccine.

My fever went down and the muscle aches stopped, though I do still have a headache.  Not sure when I will be allowed to go back in to work.

A friend of a friend works in healthcare in the UK - they lost their sense of smell years ago after a flu/virus. After recovering from a mild dose of Covid-19, their senses actually fully returned!

It's a strange story but apparently they are not the only one where this has happened. This is a very strange virus indeed.  ???

Wishing you an your family a speedy recovery. Take care everyone.

I was admitted to the hospital today. Well it’s Thursday morning now but I came in Wednesday morning. I went to ER to get fluids and found out I have Covid pneumonia. Hopefully the steroids help and I’ll be going back home sooner rather than later. Mother law is in same hospital.

Wishing you and your family a full and speedy recovery. 

^ That sucks, CF. Get well soon.

Always a little suspicious of the veracity of “a friend of a friend “

Live by the sword...

Nice of you to join us for the first time in years just to be a nasty person.

Yeah, we wouldn’t want to hurt the feelings of someone who claims taking precautions is just media induced paranoia and calls those who consider Covid serious a “douche”.

What can I say, I have a sixth sense for schadenfreude.

He and his family are in the hospital douche.  It's not really the time for "I told you so's".

Jeez, CF....feel better, man.  Hang in there.

To put it in perspective I have met this other friend (once) when he took a long overdue vacation here - he's a paramedic in England originally from Australia.

Both of them are very serious people and don't joke about things like this, so I seriously doubt they would be taking the piss.

Yeah, I'm a healthcare professional (physician--wife hates when I *admit* this, but it is what it is) myself, and I'm pretty damn far from an anti-masker, and don't understand my peers that are--very odd to me, what does it hurt to wear a mask other than our ears a bit with the KN95/duckbill types?  But that said, just as Tenshot hit it on the damn head, not the time for finger pointing when someone's really sick from this stuff, Hoodie.

I concur with Dave and Ten, best of wishes to you and Godspeed in recovering, CF!

CF has repeatedly made it clear he has absolutely no sympathy for those who have gotten sick or died and no concern for lowering the spread.  He has expressed similar sentiments towards those with life threatening food allergies. I hope CF gets better.  Just like I do for all of the Covid victims.

By way of analogy: I see a clear distinction between some one who gets in a car accident while driving safely and someone who gets in a car accident while driving drunk.  The former gets my sympathy but with the later I am more concerned with the innocent others who were hurt or killed by the drunk drivers irresponsible actions. I see CF and all other anti-mask anti-social distancing as a drunk drivers. 

That is such a lie but if it makes you guys feel better to make me out to be evil.  I sympathize with anyone who has had to deal with this. I just don’t think it is worth destroying everyone else’s lives to protect us few. I still don’t. At the end of the day it’s my fault I allowed myself to get it. I don’t push my safety off on you sitting home and starving.

With that said ... my body hasn’t been producing antibodies so they gave me plasma. Between that, remdesvir, and steroids I seem to be getting better.

Thank you to you guys who have offered support and condolences.

CF, how’s the rest of the family?

Can you tell us a little about your symptoms?  Did you get your taste back?

Wife was admitted to the hospital today as she isn’t recovering at home. They are discharging me now and my mother in law is in ICU as her pneumonia is worse. I was texting with her earlier and she seems to still have her moxie so hoping she pulls out of this. 

Mine started on a Monday with a very slight head cold. I started to run fevers at night and by Thursday lost taste and smell. My wife and mother in law was a couple days behind me but never lost smell or taste. I’ve gotten some taste back which I’m ecstatic about but very little smell has returned. For whatever reason our bodies aren’t producing antibodies so even after time we just get worn down. The plasma and remdisvir seem pretty important.

There are weird body aches that I hadn’t experienced with flu but fortunately I haven’t had much. My wife has dealt more with that. Fever, coughing, and exhaustion have been the biggest with vomiting and diarrhea after 9 days.

We all caught it from my daughter when we helped her moved a couple of weekends ago.   Again ... she has very minimal symptoms.  It looks like she and her friends caught it at a bowling alley. They are young and have all bounced back pretty easily. Us old farts haven’t been as lucky.

Fortunately it doesn’t appear anyone from work or I was around after that initial time has caught it from me so that’s good.

I don't think that was ever the choice.

There are many countries where initial lockdowns were followed by rigorous contact tracing and mask use, followed by a gradual re-opening of society.  But in America, many people refused to wear masks and our federal government wouldn't provide the kind of resources needed for widespread contact tracing.  So instead of the death counts subsiding, they explode, and we have to go back to lockdowns.  That's the cause of people "starving" because they can't open their business.

The widespread ignorance of social distancing wouldn't be that much of a problem if people were wearing masks.  Countries like New Zealand and Japan have accomplished this.  The problem with America is that everyone still wants to get together for Thanksgiving, and Christmas, and New Year's Eve... but they ALSO don't want to wear masks.

Now, I don't know if y'all were wearing masks when you helped your daughter move.  (After all, I was wearing a mask regularly and I still caught it.)  I also don't know if your daughter and her friends were wearing masks at the bowling alley.  But based on your previous statements here, it doesn't sound like that would be the case.  And masks help to prevent the spread of COVID.

We weren’t wearing them while moving but I’d have to guess they were while bowling since masks are typically required indoors. Well ... unless they were eating. We don’t not wear masks when required to and typically social distance even in public settings. Moving with the family I’m around all the time didn’t seem very dangerous at the time. But with that said ... there’s many more times I would have thought we would have caught something but never did. It’s amazing to me one of my daughters and my father in law haven’t caught it.

I'm not sure that's the case.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2020/11/25/gov-desantis-extends-order-banning-local-governments-from-enforcing-mask-mandate-violations/

DeSantis extends order banning local governments from enforcing mask mandate violations

ORLANDO, Fla. – Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday extended his executive order that bans local governments from enforcing mask mandate violations.

The order, first signed in September, prevents cities from fining people for not adhering to mask mandates. It also prevents cities and counties from ordering restaurants to close without economic or health reasons being justified.

Godspeed, CF.   I’m worried about you and yours. 

This is a tough time.  Florida seems to be experiencing an explosion in cases right when the vaccine is rolling out.  It’s a race against time.

That is pretty much irrelevant.  Masks offer the wearer only minimal protection against being infected by others.  There true value is in preventing the infected wearer from spreading it to others.  CF wearing a mask on moving day would have done little to prevent him from catching covid.  His daughter wearing a mask on moving day would have done plenty.  And because none of us know if we are infected we must ALL wear a mask to protect others.

Not wearing a mask is not a personal choice in which you only endanger yourself like riding a motorcycle without a helmet or not wearing a seatbelt.  It is an utterly selfish, reckless and evil act of endangering others akin to driving drunk.

Thank you Dave!

This.

Read between the lines, businesses can be fined but not individuals. That means it up to the business to mandate masks or refuse service.

Thanks guys. Wife came home from hospital Monday night and my mother in law got out of ICU yesterday. We are all on the mend although I will say it’s a slow process. Still sleeping a lot. Taking some time to get our stamina up to do much.

Yes Maine we did buy a pulse oximeter. It’s actually what let us know when we needed help because our O2 would drop. A very wise investment.

It’s really weird how each of our bodies fought so differently and the fact one of my daughters and my father in law never got it. As well it doesn’t appear any of us passed it on to others that we were in contact with so hopefully we didn’t spread it publicly.

My wife received her first vaccination today. We'll see how she feels in a couple days, I'm told if there are any adverse effects it should happen by then.

Glad everyone seems to be on the mend.

We are amid a little bit of a COVID scare.  We sent my kids back to school this Monday after spending the better part of 10 months with them removed from places, among them, school.  I'm trying to follow the science, and from what I can ascertain, COVID isn't really spreading through schools, especially with little kids.  Something about masking, distancing, and low viral loads....

Anyway, we sent the kids on Monday.
On Tuesday, we got a letter that one kid in my daughter's class on Monday had tested positive for COVID.

One. Friggin. Day.

So, that was deflating.  We haven't been contacted by the health department, so she's not thought to have been directly exposed, but we're still taking some precautions.  If it were the NFL, she'd still be active. 

We get these covid calls from my son's school about 1-2 times a week about someone at school having tested positive.

If it were just cases on campus, I wouldn't really be worried.  But a case in her classroom is much more disturbing to me.

I get HIPPA, but I wish we knew who it was or at least had follow-up.  I'd love to know that other kids tested negative, who else in the family got it, when they tested, etc.

Just wanted to post an update to anyone interested.

We caught Covid from our daughter on or around December 19th. I started symptoms on the 21st and was confirmed tested on Dec 24th. My wife and I are still dealing with shortness of breath but it has gotten much, much better. I am also dealing with something like running fevers. I will feel cold, achy, and have chills but my temp is normal.

My mother in law is in rehab now and will hopefully be home soon but she will still be on oxygen for a little while longer.  

I have recently read that unlike other viruses that affect respiratory functions, it looks like Covid also affects some people's nervous system and may hide in their brain. This would be the people who loose sense of taste and smell among other things. It's also the people who seem to have longer lasting symptoms. The brain doesn't have anything to fight it so it can reappear when ever it wants. It's still early but they think it also will likely later cause issues like MS, Parkinson's, and so on.  

I lost my senses while no one else in may family did. I'm also the only one still dealing with the fever like issues so it makes me wonder if I might have to deal with that too.  

^ Did any of you have "brain fog"?

I've heard a lot about that weird symptom.

^^^ Hard to say. I'm 51 and brain fog seems to have started a few years ago. I haven't noticed anything worse than usual. I used to remember almost everything and was very good at names. In recent years I have a hard time recalling some names but if I'm patient it typically comes to mind.

Hope your recovery continues apace.
Keep us updated.

Covid brain fog is no joke.  One Covid patient became so delusional that he thought he won an election that he lost by over 7 million votes. 

Bravo, sir!

Too bad you CAN'T lose an election by that many votes in our country.  There less than 600 electoral votes up for grabs.  Trump did become the first candidate to win Florida and Ohio and still lose.     

My mother in law got her first shot today. 

It is an incredible relief for my family.  She's the #1 person in our life that we felt was vulnerable.  She just got it today and it takes weeks to reach peak effectiveness, and she'll still need another shot, but just to get started on that path just about moved us to tears, honestly.

It's not because of our sacrifices that I feel that way, but more because of the things that we chose not to sacrifice.  Sending out kids back to school has been, bar none, the toughest choice.  The science told us it was relatively safe, but it is still some level of additional risk -- and if our kids had brought COVID to her, it would've been crippling to us.

There are still several key people that need to get the vaccine for us to take another step towards normalcy, but this is sure a big one.

Good to hear. Which one did she get?

my dad gets the vax tomorrow

My 77 year old father in law who somehow managed not to catch it from us just got his second shot today. The first one made him sick for a day and this one has made his arm pretty sore and useless. Hopefully it doesn't get any worse but both are much better than full on Covid.

On a bright note they are allowing him to visit with my MIL tomorrow. We are hopeful she will be out soon.

Moderna.  She has a follow up date in mid Feb sometime.

My daughter that lives with me just found out yesterday she has covid. She works as a teacher at a child care facility and got it from another teacher that got it from a student. I'm on the waiting list to get my first shot which was probably going to be in the next week or 2. I think I have it as well as I've been coughing all day, but that's the only symptoms I have so far. Could just be allergies, but it seems a little too much of a coincidence after I find out that she has it that these symptoms appeared. So far the only symptoms that she's had are headaches, high fever, some aches and pains and generally feeling warn down. She doesn't have a cough but it seems to affect everyone differently so we'll see. I plan to quarantine for 10 days so if I get a call to get the vaccine do I turn it down? If I have Covid is it pretty much just like getting the vaccine? I guess I'll ask when they call me.

the recommendation is to wait 90 days after you recover from covid to get the vaccine if i remember the cdc guidance correctly

I would recommend four things:

1. Quarantine
2. Get tested
3. Talk to a doctor re: if you should get the vax
4. Not use a football forum for medical advice.

That's what they told us. Since we've gotten out of the hospital new research has come out.  those who recover from COVID-19, new research shows immunity to the virus can last for at least 8 months, and may last much longer. I'm guessing as time goes on and they can test longer term effects that may even become longer. Either way it seems that if you've had it that you shouldn't feel too rushed to get the shot.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/how-long-does-immunity-last-after-covid-19-what-we-know#What-we-currently-know-about-COVID-19-immunity

1. Done
2. Thinking about it. Not sure what that will prove. This morning I awoke with chills, a little achy and little bit of a headache. I have it.
3. Will do
4. Meh, I don't know any doctors. Besides this is the off-topic board not the football forum and if I were to do what you suggest then I have to ignore 1-3. :)

Could be something else.  Flu etc.  There have at least a dozen times in my life where I have had those exact symptoms before Covid was a thing.


Lol.  Just rely on #3 not us for the vax/no vax decision.

And if my daughter had not just tested positive for Covid on Saturday, I would believe that too. Something about the timing being too much of a coincidence won't let me think that.

low probability /= impossible

So I finally feel well enough to update my story with a bout of Covid 19. My Daughter tested positive on Saturday Jan 30th. After speaking with her I think she actually contracted the virus between Wednesday the 27th and Friday the 29th. She lives with my wife and I and I was taking her back and forth to work every day. My symptoms started on Sunday Jan 31st. At first I only had a cough. By Monday Feb 1st I had a fever, chills, aches, pains and a headache, but I still felt well enough to continue working from home. By Wednesday Feb 3rd I was not feeling well enough to continue to work from home. In addition to the symptoms above I now felt very week, I had lost all appetitite, my gums were swelling, I was congested, I had diarrhea was nauseous and what I will describe as mania. I could not think straight, felt very dizzy and confused and nearly lost my balance if I tried to get up and walk. When I closed my eyes my thoughts would race. I would get fixated on single thoughts and could not think of anything else or put those thoughts out of my head even though I was exhausted. Because of this I quit trying to lie down and instead sat up in bed and tried to watch TV or do other things to calm my mind but it was of little help as any noise and/or lights were irritating and aggravating. Every once in a while I would realize that I had fallen asleep sitting up in bed but would realize it had only been maybe 30 mins that I was asleep. This went on for about 7 days to the point that I was delirious and to the point of exhaustion. Finally I asked my wife to take me to the emergency room on Wednesday Feb 10th. They did a number of tests on me including a Covid 19 test which of course I was positive. The only other issue they found was that I was slightly dehydrated so they gave me an IV. They gave me a hydrocordone pill and prescribed Tylenol 3 and sent me home. The hydrocordone and Tylenol 3 finally seemed to calm my mind and I was able to rest over the next couple of days. I slept most of the time from Feb10th till about Feb 12th when I finally started to feel like the worst was over and was able to eat a little something. I would say the first real day that I felt better was Sunday Feb 14th or just about exactly 2 full weeks after the initial symptoms began. The only remaining symptoms I have now are I still have diarrhea and I still have a cough. I lost 10 lbs during those 2 weeks. The 1 good thing I can say about my experience is that I never had shortness of breath, but that was little consolation from everything else I was feeling.

Take it from me that you do not want to get covid 19. I was unprepared for what I went through. I know none of what I experienced was permenent except my memory of it. I can't imagine forgetting my experience anytime soon.

Glad you are better! It's so strange how it is different for so many people.

I have had lingering issue like shortness of breath, fevers and swelling of the legs. I found out last week that the covid caused Pericarditis ... an inflammation of the heart sac. Anyway ... I am on a aspirin regiment now and seem to be getting better. After being told this by my doctor I read where it is good to take a full apsirin (not baby) every day for a few weeks after having Covid.

I hope everyone here who has had covid or have had family and/or friends with it is doing well.  It is crazy how it seems to leave some families untouched while others get ravaged by it.  My direct family hasn't had anyone test positive with it, while a good friend has had her father-in-law die from it as well as an aunt and an uncle die from it. 

Given the nature of infectious transmission and social networks that is not “crazy”, but expected that there will be pockets rather than uniform distribution.  Once one family member gets it you are almost certainly going to have other family members.

That is what makes the whole “personal choice” arguments about masks etc  total nonsense. 

My friend's mother is very, very sick and not expected to survive.  I haven't gotten an update today, but she was being moved to hospice.  If she has passed away, it will mark the first person I've personally known to die from the disease.

I had to pick up my daughter from school today -- she wasn't feeling well with some bogus symptoms, so they wanted to COVID test her....she was negative.  Had she been positive and asymptomatic, I would've been quarantined for 20 days.

I have several people in my life starting to get the shots.  I know several people who have gotten one or both.  I will feel a little better when it's more widely available and some more high-risk people that I know are protected.  I feel like the turn is coming.

Deaths are still high and concerning, but every day, we're a little closer.

I had lunch with a guy today whose brother lives about 45 minutes away but refuses to visit his 99 year old father (hasn't seen him since Christmas 2019) because his personal choice is not to catch Covid from anyone. As such ... he and his wife stay home and orders groceries. It's kind of funny to me the 99 year old who fought in WWII isn't afraid to catch it but his "hippy" son is bunkered in Melbourne. It's very likely he won't see his father again until his funeral but that's his personal choice.

Like any other disease some people are just more predisposed to have it affect them more harshly based on their genes.  People can be more likely to get certain cancers based on family history; and some peoples bodies are better at fighting off Covid.  Now i'm not saying that this is the ONLY thing, but it is a factor.

Personally, I was much more concerned about catching it and giving it to other people than I was about any consequences for myself.

For me, the idea of giving a loved one a disease (through my own negligence) that ends up killing them would be very hard to accept.

Even though we disagree on a lot of things, I always figured that you were a good human being and that comment is more evidence of it.  I would think that if everyone felt that way, covid probably would have never spread to the point that it has. 

Exactly.  That is what makes it so frustrating.  If everyone did their part - wear a mask, social distance, limit interaction, wash hands, etc the pandemic would be considerably less severe.  But this country has too many selfish people.

The absolute worst offenders are the folks buying and hording N95 masks at the beginning of the pandemic when hospitals had shortages and they thought the masks would protect themselves, but now that it is known masks do more to protect other from the wearer than it does for the wearer they are anti-mask. 

So, my friends' mother died yesterday.  She was young, too.

She had lunch cancer and had a lung that was badly damaged.  She was the definition of a pre-existing condition.  However, despite the fact that this cancer was likely to take her life, it wasn't going to take it yesterday.  COVID robbed them of months -- maybe years of time.  ...she had an 18 year old daughter.  She has grandchildren that could've really benefitted from just a little more time.  A few more months with a grandmother is a long, long time to a child.

It's so tragic. 

They were a family that followed the rules -- they think she got it at the doctor's office, seeking treatment for cancer, probably.  It's hard to see people being so cavalier about how it's not that serious and then people I love suffer so badly.

Stay safe out there.

I don't think it's that black and white. When I got it my biggest fear is that I gave it to someone else but fortunately no one in my world other than the three of us who moved my daughter caught it. If any of us had feared catching it we would have been wearing masks or whatever gear we felt necessary. While my daughter felt guilty for giving it to us no one blamed her for a minute. It was our choice and not her unknowingly having it that infected us.   

It does have an effect on people when they pass it on. I know my daughter was very upset that she gave it to me, but unfortunately the situation she was in around dozens of young kids every day it was inevitible that she got it. It's possible that had I taken a few more precautions I wouldn't have gotten it from her, but I still think it would have been unlikely. I knew the day she tested positive I had it as well. Don't really think there was much I could have done about that. It's just unfortunate that she's literally the ONLY person that I could have gotten it from. I'm literally around only her and my wife and she had had the vaccine.

Given how quickly infected people can transmit the disease before showing serious symptoms, if a person believes they would expose other people if they were infected, they should have already been concerned about catching COVID.

A little bit of a positive update:

My wife got her shot, and many, many people I know have as well.  It finally appears to be turning the corner, at least with what I see anecdotally.

Prior to these last two weeks, I knew a couple of people who are pretty old or that literally worked in the hospital (from Facebook) that got it.  But I'm seeing it in my circles now for a variety of reasons.  Teachers, friends with high risk, family. 

I think we're not far from the point where it's going to be readily available and we're going to have to start convincing people to get it.

I got a shot. Very happy about that.

I read today where they are thinking the second shot for Covid survivors is possibly unnecessary. They said survivors of Covid are just as immune after one shot as others are with the two.

My daughter and I have both had our first vaccine shots. Just a note that they recommend you get a vaccine shot even if you had the virus. There is not as much testing of those that had the virus and how long the antibodies that you build up will protect you from getting the virus again as there is in those who've had the vaccine which is why they recommend you get it.

Hmmmm...that's interesting. My second shot is already scheduled so I'll probably go ahead with it.

I'd heard that too.  That would be good.

My kids haven't seen my dad in over a year.  The care facility won't let kids in, even though everyone in there is vaccinated.  Their guideline is to open things up for kids when community spread is at 6%.  Right now it's at 10%.

Vaccines are pushing ahead here, but I hope that people don't get lax and start spreading COVID around, even within low risk populations, because of stuff like this.

I am going to be first in line when it opens up.  I think we're getting close.   Desantis says that everyone will be eligible soon and I think that's the right call.  Get me that J&J!

Dave, I don't think you should go for the single dose Johnson and Johnson shot. Not nearly as effective as the other two that are on the market.

I say this with all respect .. but your opinion means nothing and is literally horrible. It's 100% effective against hospitalizations .. There's a chance you might still get covid and it might have mild to moderate symptoms. But the J&J vaccine is 100% effective against hospitalization and death. What more could you want from a vaccine? Furthermore the J&J vaccine effectiveness goes up the longer you've been since the injection. Studies show effectiveness increasing even after 60 days

Get any you can, and get them as soon as you can.

I don't think this is true. 

There is no apples to apples comparison of the vaccines.  The J&J tests 100% effective against hospitalization and death.  The other measurables, like whether you get COVID at all, came at a time where it was being tested against different variants than the other vaccines did.  It was tested against more dangerous strains in those parts of the world where they were most prevelant.

I feel good about the J&J shot, for sure.  It's also one dose.

There is minuscule difference between the vaxs.

Take which ever is available.  Unless it is a situation where they are literally giving you a choice of which vax you want because the center has more than one don’t even consider turning one down.  All three are infinitely better than not being vax or eve waiting a single extra day.

I got my first shot two weeks ago and going for my second on Sunday.  I didn’t even know which one I was getting until I looked at the card a few days later. 

Last I heard or read or whatever was that the single dose J&J shot was 60 something % effective while the other two dose vaccines out there are upwards of 80 something % effective.

The clinical trials for the earlier vaccines were conducted before a lot of the new COVID variants existed.  The J&J trials were measured against many of these new variants.  So it's not an apples-to-apples comparison.

In any case, all of the approved vaccines are extremely effective (~100%) at preventing death or hospitalization from COVID, which is the main point.  If you get vaccinated, then catch COVID, have a low-grade fever, and quickly recover, that's still a win.

Exactly.  The vaccine won’t prevent you from catching covid, but it will reduce its effects from lethal down to mildly annoying and similar to the common cold. 

I agree with you guys. I understand not wanting to lock down but I don't really understand the people who refuse vaccines ... especially the vulnerable. I respect their right not to but I just don't understand it.

I really don’t care if people don’t get the vaccine.  Feel free to die.  I have a problem with antimasker until everyone who wants the vaccine gets one because that is one person’s selfishness endangering other.  But once everyone who wants the vax gets one, open everything up, throw away the masks and the antivaxers can collect their darwin awards.

I am on the other side of this.  I don't respect someone who doesn't get the vaccine.  That person is an idiot at best and an asshole at worst.

Vaccines aren't just for the person getting vaccinated.  They're for the group.  Herd immunity means that you have to get enough people vaccinated so that the rest of us are protected by the % of efficacy from the vaccine we got + the lack of community spread because everyone is vaccinated.

We could very realistically eliminate this virus from the Earth.  And we're just going to keep passing it around for generations, unless we're lucky enough to build a natural immunity to it.

With this virus and vaccine that doesn’t seem to be the case.  The flu shot prevents you from catching the flu and from being a carrier.  Covid vaccine doesn’t prevent you from catching it nor from being a carrier.  It prevents you from getting seriously ill or dying.

Flu shots don't prevent you. I've caught the flu after having the shot and yes it was the same strand. It just makes it much easier to deal with.

I think it does both -- lowers the chance that you catch the virus by a lot and then lowers the chance that you get seriously ill to almost 0%.

So does the Flu Vaccine.  You can still get the vaccine and contract the virus, but it does reduce the chances.

got my 2nd dose of moderna today, i hear it'll kick my ass tomorrow .. we'll see

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Its like having the flu for a day or two...

Okay I got microchipped today.  Time to get back out in the world

I got the single-dose J&J yesterday and I haven't had any real symptoms.  My arm felt like I'd thrown a baseball a few times, but not anything noteworthy.  I felt like I may be getting tired or a headache so I took a Tylenol and melatonin and went to bed early, planned to sleep in today, and I'm golden. 

that's what I got yesterday.  I felt fine until today.  I had and still have a lot of fatigue, headache.  I just took a 4 hour nap and still feel tired.  It's supposed to stop doing that tomorrow or the next day.  Blah.

Mine was about 31 hours ago.  I wonder if I'm out of the woods.

Probably, my wife barely had any side effects.  I just started feeling a bit better about 45 min ago.

I seem to be feeling normal again, just had to sleep it off and drink a lot of water.

Good to hear.  Glad you're back at it.

I feel so relieved just to have it all behind me.  I got a little emotional when they gave me the shot....it marked the end of a long stretch of sacrificing.  I have enjoyed the solitude, but it's nice to know that there's some road back to normalcy.

I received my second shot on Tuesday(Moderna) and it kicked my ass the next day. Terrible headache and fatigue. Today I'm not 100% but I feel better.

As someone who spent 4 days in the hospital with Covid I can tell you these side effects are likely worth it but it sucks they are so bad. Glad you are all feeling better.

I have some friends and family that deciding whether they'll get the shot and I just don't think they're thinking it through.  The shot is free.  It's not uncommon for people to get very sick and require medical care.  People my age that I know are getting hospitalized and it drags on.

So, yeah -- it probably won't kill them.

But it's going to cost them so, so much money.  A woman I work with my age got COVID.  It just lingered and wouldn't go away.  She was in and out of hospital treatment because her oxygen kept dipping.  She was out of work for basically a month.  And now she has astronomical hospital bills that she'll probably never pay off.

The vaccine is probably going to cause some people to feel crappy for a day....but the financial cost to us, even for young and healthy people, in terms of lost wages and hospital stays is just going to be crippling.

You make a really good point here that I haven't considered, and that's the cost you would incur if you had to be hospitalized.  I'm 55 and have been very lucky health wise, only stayed over night in the hospital twice (once when I was born, and the other time when I was 8 years old).  I've had health insurance through my employer for the last 35 years and only went over the deductible amount once, and that's when the deductible amount was $500.  So, with rising insurance costs I have been gambling the last three years with a high deductible plan ($7,000 deductible), and putting the premium difference into an HSA account which has grown to about $8,000.  So, if I were to go into the hospital I would be ok, but this would wipe out by health care savings which I was planning on using when I retire.  Even a more normal insurance plan deductible would cost a person 3 or 4 thousand dollars if they had to be hospitalized; so for this reason it makes sense to just get vaccinated to avoid this expense.  On a whim I heard of some vaccine appointments open, so I got my first Pfizer dose a couple weeks ago, getting the second on 4/20 (hope this doesn't interfere with normal 420 celebrations).  My main reason at the time was for travel and attending large events, but now that I think about it the money side is a bigger incentive.

I got my first shot today. Been feeling a little "off". No pain at the injection site yet, like I would have expected. Don't know if that's good or bad, or meaningless. I've been feeling a little tired for a little bit since, but that feels like it's starting to turn into that bone deep exhaustion that you can't even keep your eyes open. If something like Benadryl does that to you, then you know what I mean.

In my life, in terms of the vaccine, there's been a turn.  Pretty much everyone I know either has scheduled or received at least the first shot.  The only ones that haven't are those that are either refusing it or not seeking it out -- or children.

I'm still not doing stuff yet, but honestly, I've not really had the urge.  I did feel comfortable enough to see some friends the other day.  I had a mask for part of it, like when we went inside, but outside, I was comfortable enough to be unmasked.

One has had the vax, the other has not.

I plan on visiting a friend for the draft.  I'll be fully vaxed + some extra time, so I should be good.  He will be partially vaxed.  There may be some other people there -- I don't know.

I am trying to skirt the line between choosing safety and not being a weirdo.  I'd really prefer to put myself in siutations where I'm vaxed and, if in indoor/unmasked situations, around other people that are vaxed, but I'm not going to storm out if someone shows up.  I want to avoid giving this to my kids.  ...long-term damage, community spread, costs, missing school...it's not going to kill them, but it going to be a hardship.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/13/us-regulators-reportedly-call-for-pause-in-use-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-due-to-clotting-issues.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/13/us-regulators-reportedly-call-for-pause-in-use-of-johnson-johnson-vaccine-due-to-clotting-issues.html)
FDA halts use of Johnson & Johnson Covid vaccine due to rare blood-clotting issues in six women

--I'm finding this to be ridiculous.  6 women out of 6.8 million people get a blood clotting issue, and the FDA wants halting of use?  A couple of things to note in the article:

The FDA said the recommendation is “out of an abundance of caution.”

--Kind of jumping the gun there FDA.

After the news, first reported by The New York Times, shares of J&J were down 2.4% in premarket trading Tuesday.

--As usual, follow the money.  Who is benefiting from a dip in J&J stock?

“This is a devastating blow to this J&J vaccine effort in the United States,” Patel, a primary care physician in Washington, D.C., said in an interview on CNBC’s “Squawk Box.” Patel said the supply of the two-shot vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna won’t be able to quickly make up the demand created by the J&J pause. This will delay U.S. vaccination efforts, she added.

--So getting rid of the virus is now delayed because of 6 people out of 6.8 million.  This is ridiculous, especially when looking at this:

https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447 (https://www.newsweek.com/covid-vaccine-deaths-cause-pfizer-moderna-fact-check-966-died-1574447)
Fact Check: Have 966 People Died After Receiving the COVID vaccine?

According to the report, 472 people died after receiving a Moderna vaccine, while 489 died after receiving a Pfizer vaccine. Additionally, five people died after receiving a jab from an unknown manufacturer.
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The Ruling
Mostly True.

The VAERS database is dense with data and the WONDER system might return slightly different statistics depending on how the user wants the data to be displayed, even if the search parameters are kept the same. Newsweek could not independently replicate the exact method The Epoch Times used to gather its data, but our VAERS death results were very close to those reported by the outlet.

Any medicine.  Any food.  Any foreign substance you're putting into the body will cause a reaction and potential death in the population.

1 death in 7 million is negligible.  (Assuming that the death is actually caused by the JJ and not a coincidence.)  People will likely die from this decision.

I support abundances of caution, just to make sure this isn't a bigger problem, but this is really unfortunate.  This will slow administering of the vaccine and will probably be fuel for people not to get it, even when re-approved.  But, at the same time, I don't want anyone hiding the data.  Weird that this only happens with women....same with the AztraZeneca.

Unfortunate.

I don't think the 6 women is the whole story and might even be an attempt to cover for big pharma. For the last week I've seen at least a half dozen sites shut down because multiple people were having serious side effects of the J&J. I'm sure "the rest of the story" will come out sooner or later. 

I support the FDAs move.  We don't know how many people developed the side effect we only know how many were serious enough to be hospitalized.  JJ seems to be having other issues as well. 

But more importantly we are quickly approaching the point in which the availability of the vax will stop being a factor and willingness to get vax will be the deciding factor. If at the end of May 85% of all Americans feel the FDA is paranoid about making sure the vax is safe, then we will be in great shape even if we only have the other two vaxs.  OTOH if more than 40% of Americans feel the FDA is cavilaler  about allowing potentially dangerous vax and are refusing not just JJ but the other two than we will never reach herd immunity.

I do think getting vaccinated is a choice that everyone has to make. The virus affects people differently. Some people are asymptomatic and unless you've had it you don't really know how it will affect you so getting a vaccine which may or may not have serious side effects to avoid getting a virus that may or may not have serious side effects is a real decision to make especially now that infection rates are dropping. It's not a no brainer in my opinion. I can understand others maybe not wanting to get the vaccine until at least they know how the virus might affect them if at all although you are taking a chance that you are one of the people that it could be lethal, but then again it's possible getting the vaccination could have serious consequences and there's always the possibility that you won't get the virus. It's a tough choice.

Now that I know that I'm not asymptomatic and the symptoms from the virus are pretty serious for me, I won't be taking any chances, I'll take my risks with the vaccine probably at least until it's deemed that you don't need it anymore. I had some very minor symptoms with both of the vaccinations, a little headache, some fever, a little tired etc for a day but compared to having the virus this was a walk in the park for me so the choice is easy.

I don't really think it's fair to say "may or may not have serious side affects".

I mean...even if these links to JJ and AstraZeneca come to fruition, they are a rounding error.  There isn't a risk of side effects, any more than anything.  If the numbers bear out as true (granted, we may learn more) -- but with what we know today, this vaccine would statistically kill 48 people if every man, woman and child were vaccinated in the country.

That number is 0, statistically.  It's not fair to compare it with actually getting COVID.

On the other hand we don't really have much data on who is asymptomatic either. We mostly only know when people get the virus and have serious side effects, we don't really know how many people have had it and had relatively minor case. In my daughters case she's talked to all of her teacher friends and most have tested positive for the virus and most of them had very few symptoms. In a day or 2 they were fine, maybe like getting the flu or maybe even just a common cold or perhaps like getting the vaccine? How many people get a flu shot every year? I don't because I'm not really concerned with getting the flu. I'll be getting a Covid vacination because I know how Covid affects me.

And they don't necessarily have to be asymptomatic either. I had Covid and I have been counted as infected but no one has really asked me how it affected me they just wanted to know if I've recovered. I have, but I did go into the emergency room 1 day so it was a pretty scary thing, but how many people are not counted as having Covid because their symptoms were so minor they never even got tested? I think you're only looking at from your view, I think there are multiple ways to look at it and it's a tough choice in my opinion. I would tell people to get it, but I can't say that people who choose not to get it done are foolish. There are risks to be considered either way.

If 48 people die from the Covid vax that will be exactly 48 more people dying from that vax than the number of children who get autism from vaxs.  Yet we have a problem getting everyone to get the smallpox vax.  It is absolutely vital for the FDA to not only act with an abundance of caution but to be seen as acting with an abundance of caution.

I hope you are right.  I think it's far more likely that people will be less inclined to take it, because the FDA pulled it, but we'll see.

When the FDA pulls the vaccine "out of an abundance of caution," we should consider how many unvaccinated people will die as a result of that decision.  (Over the last week, we've lost an average of 985 Americans each day to COVID.)

Before we even started vaccinating people, I saw the following image:

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Keep that in mind.