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I work in healthcare.  I am nervous about the virus and the vaccine.  I don't think I want it.  I am worried about how my body will react to it.

How many of you have gotten it now?

Edit:  If I do choose to get it, can I stop wearing a mask?   

Why would you be worried about getting the vaccine? Unless you have a history of severe allergic reactions, the side effects are remarkably mild. Several doctors in my immediate family, one of whom is an infectious disease specialist, and there is no question that all of them are getting the vaccine as soon as they can. I'll be getting one of the vaccines as soon as I can, as well. (The Pfizer one as it currently stands, but could be the Moderna instead - they appear very similar at this point, both in terms of how they work, how they are administered, and they're efficacy.)

As for not wearing a mask... Please note that the protection doesn't kick in as soon as you get your shot! It takes some time for your immune system to ramp up. For the stated efficiencies (the 90%+ numbers you've heard about), you need to wait until maybe a week after your SECOND shot. These are two-dose vaccines given about 3 weeks apart, so figure on having to take normal precautions for a month following the first shot.

Even after that, you will likely not be exempt from local rules and workplace guidelines.

This thread is an example of the problem with our society.  You have access to medical professionals yet choose to seek medical advice from a sports forum. 

Get the vaccine.  Wear your mask.  Full stop.

Wearing a mask is as much to prevent you from spreading Covid to someone else as it is to prevent you from getting it. No one knows if you have gotten the vaccine or not or have the virus so you still need to wear a mask when out in public to assure them you're not spreading it. Long story short, yes you still need to wear a mask when you are out in public.

Also it is unknown if the vaccine prevents you from spreading the disease.  It is quite possible that the vaccine merely prevents an infected person from showing symptoms not from catching and spreading the disease.

I don't know of any vaccines that allow you to contract a disease enough to spread it, but not enough to have symptoms.  Such a vaccine would be completely ineffective at providing herd immunity, as the associated disease would spread unchecked through the community (no one would even know they have it!) until it reached an unvaccinated person, who would then get normal symptoms.

The way that a vaccine works is that it trains your immune system to fight off a specific disease.  If your post-vaccination immune system isn't effective enough to stop the disease from making you a spreader, wouldn't you have that disease for the rest of your life?  The only way you ever fully recover from a disease is when your immune system learns how to eradicate it, which is what the vaccine teaches it.

I am just going with what was reported.  All vaccines train you body to fight off the disease after it infects you they don’t prevent the disease from infecting you at all.  It entirely possible given the nature of this disease with a long asymptotic  incubation period that a vaccined person could get infected and spread the disease for a few days while the body fights off the disease with little or low symptoms.  The studies have NOT yet been done if a vaccined person can be a carrier.  Until such research is done and it is determined that a vaccine prevents spread everyone including those with a vaccine must continue to wear a mask and social distance.  And you are correct there might not be herd immunity from this vax.

OK, so after a bit more research:

It is theoretically possible to transmit the disease after being vaccinated, particularly due to the way the vaccine is given (intramuscular).  As the antibodies are produced throughout your body, certain areas will have more antibodies than others, and your nasal passages won't have a particularly high amount.  So it's possible to get infected with COVID only in your nose, and for you to spread that infection without the virus proceeding further in your body until such time that enough antibodies are produced in your nasal passages to wipe out that small infection there.

(https://nrvs.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/breakthrough-disease.png)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-mask.html
https://nrvs.info/can-i-spread-whooping-cough-if-i-am-vaccinated-against-it/

Weekdays in healthcare, weekends at a grocery store

My wife just got the Pfizer vaccine today. Didn't hurt a bit. She couldn't even locate the spot they jabbed her.

I think the immediate pain is pretty much random and just depends on any nerves hit. My son has been vaccinated about 50 times over the past 3 years (grass and birch pollen allergy). Very different beast from a covid-19 vaccine - even in terms of the jab itself (one is intramuscular, the other subcutaneous). Only point being that sometimes the shots would be quite painful while other times much milder.

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Enough with the dogpiling, please.

If you have a specific statement to rebut or object to, then do so.  Don't join a thread just to spam off-topic personal insults.

Sorry, Spider.  He is just so irritating that it is hard for me to walk away.  I'm the same way in "real life" and I know it is a character flaw in me. 

Regarding the vaccine, I have almost 900 hours of sick leave built up that I need to use before I retire.  So I don't want to get vaccinated for anything.  Before anyone loses their shit, the part about not wanting to get vaccinated for anything was just a joke. 

So, should I assume you people are NOT telling me that I should get it because you WANT something bad to happen to me when I get it?

I know posting facts can be irritating, but that's just what I do.

Dude, what are you talking about?

You asked if you should get the vaccine.  Yes, get the fucking vaccine.  What's left to discuss?

Just a note for the "not much worse than the flu" contingent:

The precautions taken have dropped flu cases to virtually zero, yet covid-19 is still rampant, still resulting in hospitalizations and deaths.

The precautions we've taken regarding covid-19 have reduced pediatric influenza-associated deaths to 1 so far this "season" (there is no flu season, but recently pediatric deaths have peaked between week 2 and week 7 in recent years) compared to 195 last year (144 the year before, 188 the year before that).

Deaths attributable flu, pneumonia, and covid-19 as a group (people who die with the flu often die *of* pneumonia) is completely out of wack this year, despite a virtually non-existent flu season:

(https://i.ibb.co/Gpy0SLp/NCHS53.gif)

You want to imagine what that chart would look like WITHOUT lockdowns and other restrictions? I don't.

Get the fucking vaccine and not just for yourself.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
https://gis.cdc.gov/GRASP/Fluview/PedFluDeath.html

"Oh, so now you're saying that frequent hand washing, wearing masks, and social distancing have magically reduced the number of flu infections?  How convenient!"

Got my first dose today

Tell us about it.

Feeling normal so far

Good.  Hope you don't experience symptoms.


Anecdotal story: My niece is pretty tough...not a wussy when it comes to pain.  She had some kind of reaction to the vaccine.  ...maybe the hit a nerve or something, but she had such intense soreness on the 2nd day that she couldn't raise a glass.  She was much better the next day and is fine now.  But it was more than just your average after-a-shot achiness.

My wife got hers a few days ago. She's had zero symptoms. I'm registered to get it, but it may be a few more weeks before I get it. Texas is a bit backed up.

I'm sorry.  ;D

Joking

When it's my turn to qualify to get it, I'll sign up to get it.  It's a no-brainer, even if my arm gets sore or if i have a headache or whatever.

In an announcement that should surprise no one, the Trump Administration lied about having a stockpile for the second dosage.

I got a neck stinger a few days later that felt like I do when I overexert myself in the gym, but it's gone now.  I am a little worried about the second dose, but in for a penny, in for a pound.

I wonder, is this going to be like the flu shot, where we have to get one every year?  I wonder what would happen if a flu shot was not developed in time for a year.

My wife received her second dose this morning. She’s a disaster. Slept all day. 101 temp. Chills. Aches. Major headache. Intermittent bouts of nausea. Hopefully better tomorrow. But at least she’s vaccinated.

Now I wonder should I back out of the second dose

No. What happened to her is not guaranteed to happen to you. And being protected from the Rona far outweighs any discomfort that you may feel from the vaccine, which again, is not guaranteed. For instance, a buddy of mine who has received both doses reported no discomfort at all.

What your wife has is exactly what the Virus gives you

But she’s not going to get the virus now. And the chances of me or the kids getting it also is reduced.

Not even close.  Mrs. Stinkfish isn’t on a ventilator in an ICU or the morgue.  And tha is a difference.

I'd recently heard that this vaccine has 100% efficacy, in terms of "serious cases".  ...so, even when it's touted as 96%, the other 4% of cases that still occur are mild to moderate, which is the real goal.

I want to learn more about transmission rates.  That's what I think is the key.  How long does the vaccine last?  Even if it wears off and you get COVID in 2 years, are you likely to only have a mild case and not have lung damage or need a ventilator?  Once vaccinated, how much does your ability to transmit the virus drop?

Also nothing says you won't be able to get a seasonal corona virus vaccine much like the flu shot .. we just haven't had enough seasons to figure that out. Either way, if they already have the fabrication methods, tweaking for seasonal deviations is easier than developing from scratch.

I hope this isn't the case.

I really want us to eradicate this virus from our shores.

Just a mental exercise, could certain states mandate the vaccine?  Like, say you wanted to live in Vermont or whatever, could they mandate that you get the vaccine in order to live there?  I can see getting pockets of herd immunity maybe?

I definitely see ways to make it difficult not to get vaccinated, like you can't work for the government, can't go to school, etc.  We have to find ways to get these vaccine numbers up if we're not interested in fighting this (and worse, a mutating version of this) in perpetuity.

If it requires an annual booster AND it can be administered at the same time as the flu shot, I see that as a nonissue.   

I would say it is an issue because only about 40% of Americans get an annual flu shot.  Are we also going to start requiring people to get a pneumonia shot because quite a few Americans die from that every year also (probably a good percentage of the 400,000 classified as Covid deaths)?

I got my second vaccine (Moderna) shot on Tuesday.

I had a fever of 101.7 on Wednesday morning and some pretty serious muscle aches through Wednesday afternoon.  I feel right as rain now.

Looking forward to resuming normal life!  February will be the Month of Dan.

^^^ saw a warning earlier tonight that people taking the second shot should plan on missing work the following day. Sounds like it's pretty common for your body to fight the vaccine.

Health officer Dr. Raul Pino said people might want to take off work the next day after getting the second vaccine, because a fever, body aches and headache can be expected after the second dose.

Pino said this happens because your body is already primed to identify the vaccine.

Interesting note ... they say taking Tylenol or ibuprofen before the shot hinders the ability to build antibodies but you can take it after side effects present themselves.

Yeah, I actually had similar symptoms after my first shot.  I expect it was because of my natural antibodies (from my earlier COVID infection).

I hadn't thought of that. I guess we need to plan for that if and when we ever get a shot.

Just got my second Moderna.  I don't feel feverish.  I just feel malaise because of my anxiety and hypochondria.  My arm is killing me and my legs are too.   

I was told the worse the side effects are, the stronger the immune response.  Now I am starting to WANT to get a fever.  If I do not, is it something to worry about?

Most people experience the "worst" symptoms about 24 hours from the shot.

Good to know that, even if it made my nighttime anxiety ten times worse.  Should I stay up throughout the night?

Mass has an interesting Vaccine policy.  The 75+ group is allowed to have one +1.  

My understanding is the rationale behind this is while there isn’t enough vaccine to open up for  general distribution there is enough for this and it will get greater participation among this group in a few ways.  Any senior who is is unable to drive has an easy way of getting a car ride from a neighbor now.  And reluctant seniors are getting more pressure from family members.  I know one couple in there 80s who wasn’t planning on getting vaccinated on the logic they only have a few years to live vaccine or no vaccine and firmly believe the priority should be younger people not older people.  They are getting vaccinated with they are now getting vaccinated so their grandchildren can get it.

This is also having the affect of creating a “Sophie’s  Choice “ situation in some families.  

whatever gets people to get the shot i'm for .. these old people that don't want it because <insert selfish reason here> .. fuck them honestly .. get the damn shot so you aren't in an ICU bed when there's a 10 car pileup on the mass turnpike and they can't get a bed because of you.

I know this is an unpopular opinion but I don’t favor having 75+ and people with cormbidities going to the front of the line.  Yes, they have rhe greatest risk, but they are likely going to die in the next few years even without Covid, the vaccine is barely extending their life expectancy.  The second group after medical personnel, I  would prioritize  1 employment that has high contact with multiple people (teachers, retail workers, etc) and 2 single parents of children under 18 (no need to create orphans and overwhelm our foster system)