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Title: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on March 02, 2021, 01:43:48 pm
He's one year into a 4 year $51 million deal.  $30 million of it is guaranteed.   



Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: Phishfan on March 02, 2021, 01:50:32 pm
I was just coming to post something on this. He didn't have a bad year but not great either. This saves $9.8M in cap space.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 02, 2021, 02:12:19 pm
$15 Million was guaranteed.

The cap savings jumps to almost $13 Million if it is a June 1st cut. Hope we have a backup plan since not everyone can be a rookie.

EDIT: I've seen the $15 Million and $30 Million number reported in different places. $30 Million guaranteed is a ton and they wouldn't cut him if he still had a good chunk of that left so I think it's $15 Million.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: CF DolFan on March 02, 2021, 02:14:40 pm
I'm kind of surprised by this. He was the anchor of a defense that took great strides. Last season, Van Noy was second all NFL linebackers in pressures (29, one behind Demario Davis) and had 69 tackles and six sacks, six passes defended and two forced fumbles.

We immediately will need to replace him and I find it hard to believe we will find better



Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 02, 2021, 02:23:28 pm
I wonder if this is to free up for a guy like Von Miller or Shaq Barrett


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 02, 2021, 02:25:37 pm
"I am surprised and disappointed in their decision. As a captain, I gave my all to the team. I fought through a painful hip injury during the season, including spending a night in the hospital after a game. I was brought there to be a leader and I know my teammates looked up to and respected me. I am looking forward to making an impact on my next team, on and off the field."

Looking inside the numbers, he wasn't great last year but he was a respected teammate and cap space is only good if you use it so I guess we got some free agency plans.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 02, 2021, 02:26:57 pm
I wonder if this is to free up for a guy like Von Miller or Shaq Barrett

It has to be for something, Ross isn't an owner who pockets the money.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: Spider-Dan on March 02, 2021, 02:49:07 pm
You mean to tell me that signing yet another Patriots castoff didn't end up working out for the long term?
Surely this outcome could not have been foretold...

Generally not a fan of the Patriots South approach.  How many NE players have left Foxborough and went on to play well elsewhere?


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: Dolphster on March 02, 2021, 04:20:32 pm
He was solid last year and would have been even better if not for the injuries.  But just as important was the presence in the locker room and as a leader on the field for a very young defense.  I'm pretty surprised by the move.  But I wouldn't think they would do it unless they had some kind of a plan in mind.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: dolphins4life on March 02, 2021, 04:34:59 pm
This is definitely a loss for Miami


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: masterfins on March 02, 2021, 06:44:20 pm
It has to be for something, Ross isn't an owner who pockets the money.

Ross still has to pay him for the season since it was guaranteed, so he isn't pocketing any money.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: masterfins on March 02, 2021, 06:51:12 pm
$15 Million was guaranteed.

The cap savings jumps to almost $13 Million if it is a June 1st cut. Hope we have a backup plan since not everyone can be a rookie.

EDIT: I've seen the $15 Million and $30 Million number reported in different places. $30 Million guaranteed is a ton and they wouldn't cut him if he still had a good chunk of that left so I think it's $15 Million.

According to Spotrac $15M was guaranteed at signing, and $30M was the total guaranteed amount; kind of weird - perhaps it was front loaded to use cap space last year??? 

So it looks like he earned $35.5M for a single season - $5.5M signing bonus plus the $30M guaranteed pay.  2021 Cap hit for the Dolphins is $4,125,000 in dead money (3/4 of the bonus, since a four year contract).


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 02, 2021, 08:43:28 pm
According to Spotrac $15M was guaranteed at signing, and $30M was the total guaranteed amount; kind of weird - perhaps it was front loaded to use cap space last year??? 

So it looks like he earned $35.5M for a single season - $5.5M signing bonus plus the $30M guaranteed pay.  2021 Cap hit for the Dolphins is $4,125,000 in dead money (3/4 of the bonus, since a four year contract).


$15 Million was guaranteed for injury, so the guaranteed money is done and we don't owe him anymore. Would've been one of the worst deals of all time if we paid him $30 Million guaranteed. We structured it where it allowed us to cut him after 1 year and slightly overpaid for one year. Wasn't a bad deal, just didn't work out.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 03, 2021, 07:31:15 am
This is definitely a loss for Miami
Not really.  Andrew Van Ginkel outplayed him, and Shaq Lawson is still around.  That's not even considering drafting a stud or bringing in a FA with the freed up cap space.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: masterfins on March 03, 2021, 03:56:40 pm
$15 Million was guaranteed for injury, so the guaranteed money is done and we don't owe him anymore. Would've been one of the worst deals of all time if we paid him $30 Million guaranteed. We structured it where it allowed us to cut him after 1 year and slightly overpaid for one year. Wasn't a bad deal, just didn't work out.

Okay that makes sense.  I was wondering why the only dead cap money for 2021 was the remainder of the signing bonus ($4.125M).  He still probably got $18.25M for the one season ($5.5M signing bonus, plus $12.75M regular pay (1/4 of the $51M four year contract).


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: Pappy13 on March 03, 2021, 06:20:40 pm
Pretty good breakdown of why Van Noy was expendable. It's just one person's opinion but it's fairly well reasoned out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/lwj05r/why_kyle_van_noy_was_expendable/


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: CF DolFan on March 04, 2021, 05:09:24 pm
^^^ good write up. Just saw we are actually trying to trade him

Field Yates of ESPN reports that the team has not followed through on releasing Van Noy because they are trying to trade him.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 04, 2021, 05:34:30 pm
^^^ good write up. Just saw we are actually trying to trade him

Field Yates of ESPN reports that the team has not followed through on releasing Van Noy because they are trying to trade him.

Since it appears his contract only has guaranteed money for injuries going forward, he is worth a 6th rounder to some team.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on March 17, 2021, 05:15:20 am
Pretty good breakdown of why Van Noy was expendable. It's just one person's opinion but it's fairly well reasoned out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/lwj05r/why_kyle_van_noy_was_expendable/

Makes some sense, although I am still a bit surprised at the move (doubly so with Shaq Lawson now gone) - especially as it seems to have stung Van Noy personally, and the LB free agency market doesn't appear that deep to me to pull the move.

It will be interesting to see how/where Flores addresses these losses - will it be free agency or the draft?


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 18, 2021, 09:07:00 am
He has signed with the Patriots and is furious at Miami, so expect him to have a monster year and destroy us twice this season.

We are just swapping players with the Pats non stop now.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 18, 2021, 09:41:05 am
He has signed with the Patriots and is furious at Miami, so expect him to have a monster year and destroy us twice this season.

We are just swapping players with the Pats non stop now.
Fuck him, it's a business.  He was decent last year but not that great.  We can do better.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 18, 2021, 10:06:42 am
Fuck him, it's a business.  He was decent last year but not that great.  We can do better.

I agree, doesn't mean that he sees it that way and will probably be a big asset to the Pats this year.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: dolphins4life on March 18, 2021, 10:36:10 am
Did they save any cap space by cutting him?



Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: masterfins on November 20, 2021, 04:29:29 am
Miami really should have kept VanNoy around.  He had a heck of a game against Atlanta this week.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on November 20, 2021, 06:50:16 am
Miami really should have kept VanNoy around.  He had a heck of a game against Atlanta this week.


Yeah, he's been good for them this season and would definitely be an asset to us right now. We seriously screwed up the continuity this offseason by dumping all of our 2020 free agents.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: Tenshot13 on November 20, 2021, 07:53:56 am
Up until last week, Van Noy's PFF score has been in the 50s, he been pretty bad.  His game last week rated the highest of his career.  Other than the game last week he's been terrible.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 20, 2021, 08:22:21 am
He is worth the 6 million per year NE is paying him, not the 12.5 miami was


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: hordman on November 21, 2021, 01:58:28 pm
He is worth the 6 million per year NE is paying him, not the 12.5 miami was

someone's out here swinging their big dick around after the NE win


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: Dolphster on November 21, 2021, 05:28:10 pm
He is worth the 6 million per year NE is paying him, not the 12.5 miami was

I can't argue with that assessment.


Title: Re: Kyle Van Noy to be released
Post by: hordman on November 22, 2021, 11:11:41 am
I can't argue with that assessment.

Agreed