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Now that our place is set in stone at #6 and we are almost assuredly getting Chase or Pitts, let's discuss the 18th overall pick. Do we:

1) Draft OT and solidify the line for years to come?
2) Draft a DE/LB out of necessity?
3) Package an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder to move up a few spots and get someone who probably wouldn't fall to 18?

Lot of factors at play but it might come down to what do we do about the position of need if not addressing it with the 18th pick? Can we get a quality Tackle or Guard in the 2nd round? Can we get a quality pass rusher in the 2nd round or through the free agency scraps? Is there someone we are keeping our eye on that we feel won't make it to us?

I kinda like the LB Michah Parsons, but I haven't done a whole lot of looking into it. He kinda reminds me of a Zach Thomas type of guy though and I loved me some Zach Thomas. Miami needs a guy that can attack RB's rather then try to catch them from behind.

I would take him, at this point I would basically take anyone that isn't a project. We did that a bit last year because we had the luxury of playing 2020 with no expectations but we should all expect big things for 2021 so we need starters now out of our first few picks.

Seeing as both lines need fortifying, you take the BPA on either line.  Guys like Christian Darrisaw, Rashawn Slater, Christian Barrimore, Kwitty Paye, and Greg Rousseau/Jalean Phillips should all be available at #18.

Draft best available wide receiver with the second pick, after taking Pitts/Chase/Smith/Waddle with the first pick. Ensure yourself against injuries to Parker, Williams, and your first pick.

Not against drafting another WR, but only in the later rounds. There are only so many thrown balls to go around, I don't want one of our 1st rounders to barely play due to there being too many players at WR already.

WR is deep enough that we really don't need to go back to back on them in rd 1. Give me the best O-line or front-7 stud available for pick #18.

You'd be happy with my latest mock on PFN:

6.  Ja'Marr Chase  WR
18.  DeVonta Smith  WR
36.  Creed Humphrey  IOL
50.  Javonte Williams  RB
81.  Jordan Smith  EDGE
156.  Divine Deablo  S
231.  Malcolm Koonce  EDGE
258.  Chris Evans  RB

If Devonta Smith is somehow available at 18, I would have a hard time passing on him as long as he didn't fall due to injury or prison concerns. That being said, a lot of stuff would have to go wrong for him to fall to us.

Love it, but no way Smith is falling to #18

lol I know, but I had to share when I saw it.

Let's play Devil's Advocate here. If Devonta Smith is still on the board at 14, do we try to move up and get him? Do we do the same if Waddle is still there at 14?

I was doing a mock for Miami last night that had my 49ers getting Trevor Lawrence at #3. I know it's a mock and not real, but I have to say it felt good seeing his name next to the 49ers.

I don't think Dolphins are moving up to get a WR unless they end up with Sewell at #6 which is always a possibility.

If they take Sewell because Chase and Pitts are gone, I can absolutely see us moving up from 18 to get Smith or Waddle. Should only cost a 2nd rounder.

The more I look at it, the more likely it seems that we are going to trade up a few spots from 18th and get someone we really want. This is a very good draft for our positions of need so we should have our pick. I just don't see us making any drafts before draft day because we don't know how things will shake out. If we are "forced" to take Sewell, then I think we move up for a WR. If we get Pitts/Chase at 6, then we trade up for Micah Parsons or Kwity Pae.

We can stay at 18 and still get an excellent player but we got the draft capital to hit 2 homeruns in the same round. Why risk it?

I'm more positive about Miami's O-Line that most people, I don't see them drafting an O-line player until later rounds, unless Sewell is available at 6.  For the 18th I'd like to see them take a defensive player, LB or DT.  Their pick at 35 is going to be a first round talent, I'd like to see them take a RB with that pick.

I don't watch college football a lot so I'm not as familiar with the players as some of you, especially the Hurricanes players. But, the scouting reports on Jaelan Phillips are all basically "Best defensive player in the draft, wants to be a rapper more than a football player. Also, quit football once due to injuries."

Why the hell would we draft someone like that? He has bust written all over him. I don't care about his talent, lots of guys have talent but can't produce in this league. We just traded for and released one in Isaiah Wilson. Stay the hell away from this guy at 18, if we keep the pick.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-insider-notes-executive-gives-take-on-how-top-10-will-unfold-and-is-convinced-this-qb-is-headed-to-49ers/

Some interesting musings from La Canfora who I consider to be one of the more reliable contributors to CBS (and previously the NFL website). He reckons Ja'Marr Chase will be there at #6 for us, and we will pull the trigger to get Najee Harris at #18. Tua will be a very happy QB if that's true...

^^^

Still not buying Mac Jones at #3. I've been all-in on the Justin Fields pick at that spot, but part of me thinks that John and Kyle are giving serious thought to Trey Lance.

Same here, if only because you don't move up and sacrifice the picks they did for a guy that would've been there at at leats 7 or 8. They could've only burned one 1st rounder and maybe a 3rd to move up a few spots. I feel it will be Trey Lance.

Bengals need protection for Burrow more than another receiver so the logical pick is Sewell. I think it comes down to how much Burrow is trying to get Chase and if management will listen to him.

I'm hoping that Micah Parsons drops to 18 and we snag him. I thought that would be impossible a couple weeks ago, now it seems possible. I can't wait for Thursday night. Should be fun.

With our draft capital, as long as we get the player we want at 6, I am fine with trading up to get the 2nd Top 10 guy. Should only cost us a 2nd rounder, maybe throw in a 4th or 5th to get it done. This allows us to still draft one of the Top 2 Centers. To me, the rebuild is way over and at 10-6, the next step is Superbowl. I don't want any projects in Rounds 1-3, no medical histories, just go get the best players and become a powerhouse.

I agree with this thinking up to a point. You have to be careful. You can't get into win now mode at the sake of your own philosophy. I think the Dolphins have been good so far at not losing sight of what's important which is to build the team. You have to continue to do that, you can't start thinking well we've done that...time to start winning. No. You NEVER stop building the team. Once you stop building the team then you start the decline. I think some of that thinking got into the Dolphins around '85 with Dan Marino. Time to win NOW and made some poor choices which really hurt the team for years and probably prevented Marino from getting to the SB again rather than the other way around.

Absolutely, but I'm not talking about pulling a Bill O'Brien and sacrificing the future for basically one season. Grier built for the future by getting us extra draft picks and the future is now. I think taking one of our extra 2nd rounders to move up for the best Defensive player we can is a smart move and not messing up the future, it's just securing our present. That is, as long as we get the guy we want at 6. All bets are off if we don't, might even trade back.

I really like Clemson's RB, Etienne. If he's still hanging around at 18 is he worth it?

No RB is worth it at 18. We have some holes to fill and I'm not even convinced we need a RB at all. Gaskin and Ahmed did a solid job overall despite running behind a below average line with a below average QB. If we want to use one of our 2nd rounders on one then okay but we really should go WR/Defense/Center in that order before we address the RB position.

I could see Miami trading back into late in the 1st to get a RB but don't think they are taking one at 18.

The fumbles scare me. If a RB coughs up the ball at college level you can bet he will be targeted in the big league, and things usually don't end up well...

Harris would be the only back I would consider at #18 - I think he will probably be the only RB picked in the first round (even if it's not by us). Best all around at the position, excellent at yards after contact and no worries with fumbles.

If we get to #36 and the position is not filled and Harris is gone, then I would consider Williams or maybe Etienne. Like Harris, I really like the yards after contact Williams racks up.  

i could see miami trading up from 36 to pick up a RB in the 1st round just to get the guaranteed 5th year

also 49ers drafting mac jones would be the best thing to ever happen .. it would instantly take atlanta out of the pitts discussion

If the Niners draft Jones, the Falcons phone will be ringing off the hook, but I still would be shocked if the Niners did that.

If we snag one of the top 3 guys on offense with 6 then I’m actually kind of wanting them to take Harris. I know it’s a risk because  first round RB’s over the last decade or so haven’t really been worth it. There  are a few RB’s that can change a game and it’s a huge asset.

Tennessee took Derrick Henry with a second but knowing everything we know now would he be worth a first? Absolutely and I’m not saying Harris will be Henry but I think he’ll be damn good and make us instant contenders. I get it’s a risk but I think it’s one worth taking. Either way I’m excited and I think we’re gonna do good. At the risk of breaking our hearts I still think there’s a lot of reasons that our patience with Miami might finally be rewarded.

I'm pretty sold on Javonte Williams in the 2nd round.  He breaks so many tackles and he can catch too.  Williams Thunder, Gaskin Lighting with Ahmed as a 3rd down back sometimes is a solid RB core.

If I were to have my wet dream draft it would be

1a. Pitts TE / Chase WR
1b. Paye EDGE
2a. Humphrey C / Dickerson C
2b. Javonte Williams RB

Those picks are basically where I am at, although I would be happier with a more versatile linebacker since that fits what Flores does better. Those 2 centers are studs and will be with us for awhile. I can go RB in the 2nd but I think the Top 3 backs will be gone by our 2nd pick but so will the centers so we will have a choice to make. I prefer center.

EDIT: I am very much in favor of using one of our extra 3rd round picks to move up and draft whichever Center or RB we didn't get to draft with our 1st pick. Highly unlikely we select a better player in the 3rd round than the 2nd. We acquired this capital, time to use it.

This is where I'm at as well.

I can see them trading up for the Bucs 1st rounder but I think it would be more about jumping the line than it is for that 5th year, although that would be a nice bonus if the player lasted that long. Most RBs do not because of how punishing the position is.

I have come up with what I would love to see our first round picks look like while still trying to be realistic about who will be available at #6 and #18.   As long as there is a decent run on Quarterbacks at the top of the first round, I think Chase has a good chance of being there at #6 so I would take him at #6 and Jaelen Phillips at #18.  Phillips has been quite a riser since his Pro Day which I hate because I was totally digging the guy even before he went off the charts at his Pro Day.  Before it, I could have seen him still being there at the 4th pick of the 2nd round.  But now I don't think he will last that long.  So I would be ecstatic with Chase and Phillips in the first round.

The Falcons are going to shape the rest of the whole draft. QBs are going 1-3 guaranteed. The question now is whether the Falcons draft a QB, trade the pick or get Pitts. Ryan is still there for 2 years guaranteed but odds are the Falcons won't pick this high for awhile so now is there chance to get a QB. I really have no idea what they will do, I think they would like it if some team blows them away with an offer for their pick but if no one does, they will probably take Pitts.

I just feel like the Bengals are going for for Chase and we will take Sewell.

As far as Phillips goes, with his injury history and questions about whether he even wants to be in the NFL, I want us to avoid him. The talent is there but if you aren't mentally 100% committed to this league, you will be gone quickly. Rather not waste the 18th pick on a guy like that, we can't afford to.

Yeh .... I don't know how much that 5th year comes into play for trading back into the first but it might. Hard to outthink these GMs.

I think the Bengals take Chase and Miami takes Devonta Smith. I think they only take Sewell if Pitts, Chase and Smith are all off the board which I think is nearly impossible which is why I think they were comfortable with the 6th pick.

Najee at 18 is what i want to happen.  Unless there's a killer DE/LB sitting there.

Najee is the real deal.

I'd rather they grab a stud O-Lineman or edge rusher at that position.  You can get Javonte Williams in round 2, Michael Carter in round 3, or Trey Sermon in round 4. 

I just don't see any RB doing substantially better than Gaskin behind our line in 2020 except for Henry. With need at RT, Center, WR and DE I just don't see us using a 1st on RB. We may not even use a 2nd unless things fall in the right order.

Although Smith is outstanding and I love his work ethic, I'm just afraid that thin frame of his is not going to hold up in the NFL.  If Chase is gone, I'd almost rather see the Dolphins take Waddle rather than Smith. 

Smith is isaac bruce .. how'd he do in the league?

Isaac was 6'0" 188 pounds. Smith is 6'1" at 170 pounds. May not seem like a lot but it is a big difference. I don't think I would cry and break things if we drafted Smith, but I don't think it would be the slam dunk that Chase would be.

Chase also took a year off. Hard to say how that will effect him. He might need a little time getting back into the game. I'm not convinced there's much difference between Chase and Smith.

I’d Take waddle ahead of smith.

One thing to keep in mind though... Smith played last season and won the Heisman. Chase sat it out...

One effect of Covid-19 with the last (Australian) AFL draft was than more emphasis was put into players who actually played the year leading up (in areas that has not been shut down). States like South Australia and Western Australia had a lot more players selected almost purely on the basis that they were playing that year and the recruiters could see them in game action (or on tape).

It's been funny there has been little mention of this leading up to the NFL draft, like recruiting doesn't think of it as a major factor. Maybe not in the NFL, but if it does turn out to be the case the draft could be potentially a bit different to what people expect.

Snap! Beat me to it.  :P