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It's going to be read within the next half hour

Guilty on all counts

Appeals will follow

I'm sure, every criminal appeals .. looks like they have no grounds to win an appeal.

Just the threats of rioting may be enough

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I admit I wasn't able to follow this as closely as I did some trials when I worked from home. It seems to me the testimony from other police did him in. I think it's a fair verdict.

This should have taken place in Alaska

i wasn't aware that the murder happened in alaska .. i must have missed it.

The trial

In this case, I think justice has been served.  He was cold hearted in kneeling on his neck for that long.  There is no justification for that.  He could have subdued him, and then got off his neck and kept watch over him. 

 
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We wi see if this causes more cops to quit and fewer who want to become cops.

Do you thin Biden impacted the verdict?

Is there anybody on this site who has been a cop?

I have a family member who is an LEO.  I think this guy got strung up big time because of the political and social justice climate.   There was no cartoid artery damage to Floyd's neck, meaning he did not die of asphyxiation.  Chauvin should've been found guilty of something for putting a knee on his neck, but not for second degree murder.

He's going to appeal and he'll probably get the second degree murder conviction thrown out, or at least get a re-trial.   That's what I'm predicting. 

No.  It's possible that societal pressure at large mattered, but not specifically Biden.

I'm ignorant to how the charges work.  How can you be found guilty of 2nd degree murder and 3rd degree murder?  I would've thought it's whatever is the worse of the two...

Since he waited until the jury was sequestered before he chimed in...the answer is an obvious "No!"


Or maybe it will mean that people who enjoy physically dominating other people will choose a different profession.

Yeah, that's pretty much what resisting arrest is. Trying to physically dominate the situation to your own benefit.

Why would you believe that just the Murder 2 (but not the other charges) would be thrown out?  If your argument is that the jury was unduly influenced, shouldn't all charges be overturned?

Seems like a lot of wishcasting going on.

I have no issue with the verdict. I just wish it wasn't being sold as a race issue as it was an asshole cop issue.

If the jury was unduly influenced, then yes all charges should be overturned.  That being said, the knee on the neck isn't what killed Floyd.  So Chauvin should've been found guilty of a lesser charge

Bro, everything is being sold as a race issue.

That's why I hate it so much. The term racist mean little these days except to those mighty cancel culture warriors.

Claims from Shapiro and the crazy right: 

1) he was not on his neck, but on his back

2) chauvin’s actions had nothing to do with what happened

3) his level of drugs were much higher than the lethal level

Maybe they should have been his lawyers

The lethal dose of fentanyl is 2.0 mg.   Floyd had 11 nanograms.  That's much less.  Am I missing something?

I mean, in this case, it is a race issue.

This stuff doesn't happen in a vaccum.  The black community has been complaining for 100 years about abuse from the police.  Remember in the 80s, when all these people were getting killed and beaten by police and they had to have 6 cops take them down because they were all on PCP?

Then Rodney King happened...you saw a guy get beat by a bunch of cops on camera, while he crawled around on the ground.  ...no convictions.  George Zimmerman tracked down and murdered an unarmed child with no conviction.  They smeared the name of the kid and let Zimmerman off.  He does tours and signs packages of skittles and tea for fans. This is all highly publicized and half the country have (and still are) blaming the victims.  Philandro Castillo is killed in his car for no reason.

Then this guy is murdered in front of a crowd of people pleading for his life, on top of all these other recent cases.  Now, look around -- people are trying to smear the name of George Floyd.  They're trying to blame his drug-use for a guy suffocating him on video.

You gotta realize that if George Floyd was a white woman under the same circumstances, he wouldn't be dead right now.  That community has been underserved and we've, as a society, not listened....and they've had enough.  It's not race all of a sudden.  It's always been race, you've just been unwilling to hear them.  ...and it sounds like you still are.  Yes, Chauvin is a bad cop.  But what about all the other cops standing there?  What about this entire system of police and their supporters trying to blame Floyd for his own death?

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Might want to look into the Tony Timpa case as well.  Also might want to check the facts out there.  White people are killed more often by police than black people. 

Make it a race issue all you want.  The real issue is corrupt cops.

It is a race issue...and it is a bad cop issue.  Not all issues are race issues...and not all issues are bad cop issues...but both of those are most definitely issues that need to be addressed.

No, you're seeing what they tell you to see and what you want to see. I'll agree that the Castillo and Floyd cases needed accountability and a guilty verdict. I'm not even sure how you can be convicted of 2 murder and a manslaughter charge. But you shouldn't use the Zimmerman case or "all these other recent cases" to bolster your opinion. There was no evidence in the Zimmerman trial to get a guilty verdict in that case. And in many of these other recent cases there was reasonable cause to use deadly force. 

The real problem is that if a black person is involved, the over emotional liberals immediately jump to racism. And I reject that premise. Each case is different and unless there is proof of racism, it shouldn't even be brought up.

So you mean to tell me that you think Chauvin killed Floyd just because he was black? I guess you also think that Daunte Wright and that fat chick with the butcher knife are dead because they are black also?

I don't want to tell you that Chauvin was killed only because he's black.  But I do think that his race played a part in it.  It probably played a part along the way, it played a part in how Chauvin reacted, and it played a part in how some were quick to smear his name for his own death.

Daunte Wright, I think is an accident and the officer shouldn't be charged.  In his case, there is a different issue about policing in general, but it's not a murder charge that the individual officer should be shouldering, in my opinion.

And with the recent girl with the knife, while I hope that had played out differently, I don't fault the officer's snap judgement.

I am not a one-sized-fits-all liberal when it comes to these cases -- there are nuances and I side with the police in about half of the publicized cases, depending on the circumstances.

But racism doesn't exist in a vacuum.  This has been rampant for a long time, but hidden.  It permeates systems.   Race can play a part in these cases without the officer being a hooded member of the clan.

It is a very dangerous precedent if the Daunte Wright case even goes to trial.  That will cause a cop shortage

I'll stop a few miles short of calling this police officer a liar...but I do have a hard time believing that a person could have a standard service revolver on their hip, plus a taser, pull the service revolver and shoot someone before realizing they had pulled the gun instead of the taser. Was she old west-styled shooting from the hip? I've probably only fired off a few a few hundred rounds from either a .45 or a 9mm in my lifetime (and none in the past 20 years), but I'm pretty sure that I could actually see the firearm in my hand before pulling the trigger every single time.

Just sayin'...seems like I must be missing something.

   Using her firearm was justified in that scenario anyway.  He was a threat.  George Floyd was not.

Spoken like someone stuck in victim mentality or white savior syndrome. Racism isn't nearly as prevalent as you would like it to be and that goes for the racisms that is increasing towards white people. As the great Charles Barkley said ... "Man, I think most white people and Black people are great people," Racism today is more about big money than anything else and you guys continue to feed them .. LOL. Stop paying the Als, Jessies, Maxines, and BLM leaders and see how long they stick around.

I get what you're saying ... i just do not agree. I would garner that bad cops treat most people like crap. The system wasn't allowing that because he was black. It most likely would have happened to a white trash guy who resisted arrest as well. The only difference is you wouldn't have heard about it. In fact when white people hear a white person is shot or killed by police the standard reaction is we assume it was justified. We damn sure aren't going to make a martyr out of a rapist, murderer, thug or whatever.

Kind of a weird crossover but my grandmother was beaten to death by her police officer husband and he walked away free so I get how the system can work against you. Not surprisingly he was later found tied to a tree where he had been beaten and killed.  Georgia in the 60s.

212 people have been killed by police n 2021 and only 30 have been black. That's about 14% of the deaths amongst the millions and millions of police interaction which kind of supports my stance of it isn't as big an issue as we are making it.

If those numbers are correct, they would match up to the total percentage of black population.

Did you see that they had a square named after George Floyd? I saw a picture of a sign at George Floyd Square and it had a list of "rules for white people". Talk about fucking racist. It won't be long before the WOKE idiots start trying to enforce some silly "rules for white people".  They're feelings will get hurt and they'll try to get physical and some CCW holder is gonna wind up shooting a few in self defense. Guess who the media is gonna blame then?

But they don't come close to representing the percentage of violent crimes committed per race.

I saw that too with the signs. It's really weird to me that they turn criminals into martyrs even if it's for money. It's one thing to supposedly want justice but it's completely different to try and rewrite these guys as great sacrifices for the cause. Comments similar to what Pelosi said honesty freaks me out a little because they aren't typically good people. "Thank you, George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice," she said. Good grief.

No it doesn't and no it won't. It was a homicide,  not a murder and definitely needs a trial.

There will also always be plenty of people trying to become cops.

you're wrong .. but society would be better if you were right .. maybe if we had a cop shortage we'd stop trying to criminalize vice and instead use police only for actual crime

It is actual crime as long as the law is written the way it is written. If you don't like the laws, you change them. You don't penalize the people you hire to enforce them. Another instance of politicians passing the buck and blaming others for their own incompetence.

I mean, a person was unjustifiably killed, so whatever the legal system has to do to work that out, I'm ok with.  If an investigation leads to no charges, that's fine -- if there's information that leads to a trial, ok.  But ultimately, she shouldn't be convicted, IMO, based on what I know today.

If any cop quits over this stuff, we're better off.  The kind of cops that are resisting that change that demands for accountability aren't helping anyway.  I'm pro police.  But that doesn't mean letting them get away without accountability. 

Things happen a lot faster than you think. The well known 21-Foot Rule essentially says that when an assailant wielding a knife is closing in, they will cover 21 feet in the time it takes you to draw and fire your gun. Now say they are pulling a gun instead of a knife, he doesn't even have to cover that 21 feet. Common sense would tell you that if a criminal pull his gun first, he wins the gun fight. Now do you understand why he has to be viewed as a threat and lethal force is required if the cop wants to go home to his family.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU&ab_channel=GhostDog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckz7EmDxhtU&ab_channel=GhostDog)

If you were the officer, what would you do? You have a violent criminal with a history of firearms charges. He's resisting arrest and fighting with you. He struggle away, jumps in the car, and moving all around. You're standing right in front of him. You have 1 second to make a choice. What do you do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNA6hakUwmY&ab_channel=41ActionNews (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNA6hakUwmY&ab_channel=41ActionNews)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g&t=235s&ab_channel=FOX10Phoenix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g&t=235s&ab_channel=FOX10Phoenix)

Not over yet, he has good grounds for an appeal.

If he gets a new trial, I wonder if he will testify in his own defense this time

From what I read on Wikipedia, his attorney did not present a good case

He would be an idiot.

I have seen the country so divided on a trial since oj

Why?  He could answer the questions people have about his actions

From his own attorney, but the prosecution would then question him for hours looking for that "gotcha" answer. He will get a new trial but the results will be the same unless it is moved out of state and the jury is sequestered. Even then, might be too late for that. Judge really screwed up the first time with that one.

It is never advisable to take the stand in your own defense.  Once the prosecution takes the floor to cross examine you, they can ask any and all kinds of questions to trip you up.  They can also grill you for hours to get you to confess to something you may not have done.

We should designate a place in Alaska for trials like this

The trial for the Oklahoma City Bomber, Timothy McVeigh was moved to Denver because of the local media coverage. That was the right thing to do and it should've been what the Chauvin Judge did. Can't have Jurors commuting every day to court amidst protests while politicians are screaming for blood. Whether you think he was guilty or not, it was a terrible decision to keep it local and unsequestered.

That was a federal trial. The state of MN cannot simply move the trial to another state.

Sure he does. Let's see, first you have a fruitcake activist committing perjury in order to be on the jury to "push for change". Then you have Waters and Biden fanning the flames of more burning, looting, and riots if they don't get the "correct" verdict. Then you have the incompetent judge not relocating the trial or sequestering the jury. And finally, you have the defendant convicted of two murder charges.

So even though I think he's guilty of a crime. I also feel that he didn't get a fair trial. I guess it will all come down to, does the threat and political pressure of more burning, looting, and riots take precedence over someone's right to a fair and impartial trial?

No lawyer of any competence would agree to it.

Maybe they shoud offer poitica asyum to the urors. 

He has a tax tria coming up soon

Federally indicted now, along with the other officers who stood by.

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