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No surprises so far, Lawrence to the Jags and Wilson to the Jets. Now, the mysteries and surprises start.

Niners select Lance as logical people knew they would. Mac Jones my ass.

Falcons on the clock and this will shape where things go the rest of the way. TAKE A QB!!!!

Falcons are taking their time, that means they are making calls right now otherwise they would've picked already.

TRADE FOR A QB!!!

Falcons take Kyle Pitts.

Like I said, stupid franchise that is a shit load of pieces away from anything and they hold onto the pick and take one non-QB player.

Up to the Bengals now, Chase or Sewell.

FUCK!

Bengals take Chase. Hope Burrow breaks his leg again now.

So, now we can either draft Sewell or Waddle or trade down a bit if someone is interested. I don't know, pretty disappointed right now but I'll get over it as time passes.......probably.

Sewell or Smith I hope. I know I’m the only one who would prefer Smith over Waddle. Doesn’t matter for all I care trade down and trade Howard and get Surtain. Let’s see what happens!

Waddle. Would have preferred Sewell tbh but I won’t bitch. Extra pick that will help.

This pick proves we screwed up. We selected Jaylen Waddle who I am happy with and he makes our team better and he knows Tua but this pick shows we were going to go WR no matter what and we screwed up by trading back too far and this was our third choice at best.

From here on out, I have no idea what we are going to do with 18 or if we even stay at 18. So, we'll see.

Yeah, this was our bonus pick and we are a better team for it, but we did get too cute with the trade downs and the cost of losing out on Pitts and Chase was a 2023 1st rounder that is probably in the high 20's and a pick swap next year that could be in the low teens, could be in the 20s. We don't know. That's just not enough for me.

They got cute and it didn’t work out. Showed a lack of patience. Let’s see what happens but Pitts or Chase would have been worth it at 3 and I wish you were right about Sewell here but I won’t bitch about Waddle. It might be the smart choice over Smith or even Chase who knows that’s largely up to him. Here’s to another year of cheering for the Dolphins though man.

Oh no we got the fastest WR in the draft to go along with Fuller one of the fastest players in the league.  What are we going to do...smh at some of you.

There is absolutely no point in speculating who we take at 18 because this board can go anywhere. Start the speculation around pick 15 or if we make a trade, which I am in favor of doing. I would love to move up and take either the best OT we can or the best defensive player. We got the draft capital, lets use it.

The Broncos are about to have Justin Fields fall into their laps. Let's see how serious they are about Aaron Rodgers.

Miami is better for having Waddle. Me personally, if I’m going to take a swing with an extra pick I’d rather have the best receiver on a college team and that was Smith. I get all the concerns and all and again, no problem with Waddle but we could have had Pitts or Chase, time will tell if that trade was worth it, depends on what comes next.

Hopefully everyone is laughing at me later as we make a deep playoff run.


Anyway, Go Dolphins. I’ve been coming to this website since I was a teenager
so, Maybe this time? Love the cynicism here. Kinda goes with the name.

Broncos go Surtain 2, passing on Fields.

Uh oh, please God don't let Justin Fields go to the Patriots....or Mac Jones. Shit, the Pats are definitely getting a QB unless some trades are made.

Welcome to Denver Patrick. I watched your dad beat the Broncos  here once. Good times.

Mac Jones is overrated af, I hope the pats draft him.

Bears trade up and grab Fields.

Eagles moved up 2 spots with the Cowboys for a.....3rd rounder? The Cowboys let their divisional rival leapfrog them for a late 3rd rounder? This is why you suck!

Hi guys

Parsons goes to the Cowboys. I don't think we will be moving up now, maybe a spot or two at most.

Slater is gone, Darrisaw is still available although I am thinking we just go with best guy available at 18 now. Don't think we were set at any one guy, I just hope it isn't Phillips.

Jets traded up to 14 with the Vikings. Don't know what they gave the, yet, better not have been a 6th rounder. They got Vera-Tucker.

The Patriots get Mac Jones.






Shit.

It happened

2 picks left before us and it looks like we are going to have our pick of defensive guys.

Raiders on the clock now. We will have one of Darrisaw, Kwity Paye, long name LB from Notre Dame. Lot of good names. Just no Jaelen Phillips.

Raiders take Leatherwood.

Who do we want? Paye? Darrisaw? Notre Dame LB? I think I would be happy with any of them.

GODDAMMIT!!!!!

Why did we take the rapper who already retired due to injuries?

Not how I wanted tonight to play out. Guess we’re gonna see.

Kid had concussion issues and wrist surgeries. The talent is all there, kid is a beast who will dominate IF he stays healthy, but we have a bad track record with those guys. I would rather a healthier guy with a lower ceiling. This isn't a lottery ticket but we may have a lot of 10-11 game seasons for this guy.

Waddle I feel like I will grow to love and he is a great kick returner so we can dump Grant. But, I don't think he will be Chase or Pitts and we are going to be reminded of that every year.

I’ll leave it to the experts.  I agree with you. It’s not the choice I would have made here but it is what it is. If you’re gonna gamble I’d prefer it be on offense but we will see. Still a lot a cause for optimism with this team.

What’s worse, always sucking or squandering a team with 10-12 wins because you can’t get it just right?

Hope we don't find out the answer to that one. I think Waddle has a zero chance of busting but I am hoping that Jaelen matures and stays healthy. If so, we are in very good shape so far. Onto the 2nd round where we will be getting a RT or Center.

If only we had held onto that 3rd pick then faked interest in Pitts.  Could've fleeced Atlanta

Yeah, seems like we didn't make a good move in the end but it's not franchise killing. It's just buying a stock at 10 and selling it at 40 when it kept going up to 70. You still made money but you could've done better.

Very disappointing night.

It was looking like a potential disaster earlier in the day, with rumors that Rodgers may be headed to SF (which would devastate the value of their next two first-rounders).  Thankfully, that crisis seems to have been avoided; the fact that SF doesn't have a first-rounder until 2024 may have helped.

With Pitts and Chase off the board, I would have been content with a selection of Smith (or even Sewell), but picking Waddle is just too cute by half.  It's who Al Davis would have picked.  The pick at 18 feels like Dion Jordan all over again, but somehow with a worse medical history.

It doesn't matter how many picks you collected for Laremy Tunsil if they were all wasted.

I'm totally cool with Waddle as a player and he will make us much better, but he is no Chase or Pitts. I think he will be a lot of guy's favorite player.

Phillips......we know where I stand. If he stays healthy, we are sitting pretty but that seems to be 50-50 at best.

I just want us to move up for one last 1st round pick and get the jump on guys tomorrow.

At this point, if MIA can get Najee Harris at 36 I'll be enthusiastic, but if not, I'm definitely a lot less optimistic about the Dolphins than I was a week ago.

   Depends on whether the ten or twelve win team reaches the postseason

Steelers took him and then the Jags took the Clemson RB so we probably won't be getting a RB. Next pick is probably a Center and then whatever is left.

Yeah, this draft was not very encouraging at all.  How long until Opening Day?
sigh

Silver lining from today: at least the Dolphins didn't pick Waddle at 3

Although I'm disappointed that Chase was gone, I'm happy with Round 1.   With Chase gone, Waddle was my next best WR on my "board".   Multiple football heads who are smarter than me have compared him to Tyreek Hill.  I think they could have traded back 2 or 3 spots and still gotten Waddle, but that would depend on both a willing trade partner AND the big assumption that Waddle would still be there.   

As for Phillips, I've said numerous times on here that he is who I wanted at #18.  I know some of you are sour on him because of the concussions and the short term "retirement" during college.  And I can understand that.  I think most college players have probably had at least one concussion but they are often not diagnosed.  So I don't see that as a HUGE concern, although it is definitely something to be mindful.  The "retirement" thing doesn't concern me at all.  He was a young kid and it was probably a panic stricken parent or family member who scared him into it.  At The U, he gave absolute 100% effort, worked hard, and got in amazing shape for his Pro Day.  To me that doesn't sound like someone who is lukewarm on playing football.  I think all of you will be pleasantly surprised by Phillips.

With both Harris and Etienne surprisingly off the board in the 1st round, I REALLY hope that the Dolphins go Javonte Williams with the #4 pick in the 2nd round.  That is the RB that I have said on here that I really wanted of the three of them anyway.  If they take Williams, they will then have taken 2 of the 3 guys I wanted with the first 3 picks. 

Draft Day 1 musings after viewing the draft coverage and mulling it over a freshly made Veiux Carre...

Okay, for the majority of us, that was a bit unexpected. Well, maybe not a huge surprise that Cincy did (IMHO) the stupid thing and picked Chase instead of protecting their mauled young Quarterback, but that was always a 50/50 chance.

So at #6 we had the choice between Sewell, Smith, Parsons and Waddle, and we went for the one I probably coveted the least. That said, we needed a home run threat at receiver and I read somewhere of a comparison to Tyreek Hill (which fits the bill). If Tua had some input of deciding between Waddle and Smith, that's fair enough too. Still, Smith had a hell of a year and consistently had that knack of coming up with the big game winning plays, and that's what I look for in a key offensive starter...

Looking at the big picture, once we pulled the trigger with the pick swap with the Niners, we had to trade back up to get one of these top three receivers - Smith was the last one gone at #10. Neither would have lasted until #12 let alone #18 (although as we saw, it is a deep WR draft with others also being taken up earlier than expected). If we did not make the subsequent trade with the Eagles, the only one of who I pegged above who could have lasted to #12 would have been Parsons (which incidentally I would have been very happy with).

So the question to be answered in the next two years will be: would we have been better off staying at #3 and picking Pitts or Chase, keeping the two firsts we got from the Niners and settling for Parsons at #12, or what we did today?

Speaking of what-ifs?, #18 opens that door right up too. At the time I thought the choice was pretty clear, Paye or Harris - there was a lot of chatter that Tua was heavily lobbying for Harris (and it pays to keep your starting QB happy, just ask Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson) and if we did not pick him at #18 you just knew the Steelers would do it a few picks later.

So we went for the first edge rusher off the board (even though I personally thought LB and RB were much bigger needs) and it was Phillips instead of Paye. OK, the skill set on tape looks crazy good, but the concussion history scares me - this is a real boom or bust pick here, and comparisons to Dion Jordan don't exactly help. Paye was picked soon after and during the coverage something came out about a red flag being dropped on him due to high troponin levels at one time - that's a bomb in itself and I can see why we passed. Plus there was a late run on EDGE players with the last two picks of the draft - if we were convinced enough by the skills and confident enough the injuries are behind him, I can understand why they did it. But it's a hell of a risk, especially as we still have critical needs and RB and LB.

At the end of the day, we traded Chase/Pitts for Waddle and a 2023 1st Rounder that is likely to be in the 20's. Right now, if we offered Waddle and the draft pick to Cincy for Chase, would they take it? Would Atlanta? That tells you that we lost the trade.

We are still a better team than before with Waddle, much better actually, but we took an L on this trade back and trade up.

Yeah I saw the NFL draft coverage on television raving about Phillips Pro Day workout, and they nailed that we would pick him at #18. They actually had a surprisingly accurate hit rate once the draft got rolling, especially compared to the ridiculous mocks leading up.

Etienne being picked right after Harris scares the hell out of me, because there's a chance Williams will be gone before our pick at #36. There's no way he lasts until #50. If we do miss out on him, this will be two years in a row we miss out on the RB we should be getting because we are being to smart (ie. dumb) for our own good... if we really wanted Harris we should have bit the bullet and got him at #18. Now we're shitting broken glass hoping Williams will still be there for us...

Which is a dilemma in itself, because we still have to address the linebacker situation - it's been a weakness for too long, specifically a guy to cover tight ends which has killed us over and over again, highlighted yet again against the Raiders last season.

For some reason Owusu-Koramoah has lasted until the second round - is there some kind of red flag on this guy? Maybe it's just because of the big run on QB, WR and CB, OT & then EDGE late in round 1. If he's there he's a great pick, but like Williams he won't be there at #50. Same deal with Trevon Moehrig even though he's a Safety - top player at his position and a clear upgrade on McCain, but will he fit that bill?

Then there's the issue of a possible upgrade at C, Humphrey may be there at #50, but he could be gone well before then too...

I love the NFL draft... and I hate the NFL draft.  :P ;D

I was fine with both our picks.  I was picking guys and I didn't choose either of these two in the moment, but I chose the same position both times.  I think that we checked some areas of need and since I'm not a talent scout, I'm not worried about one guy vs. the other.

I think that Pitts was probably the big pick of the draft and once you lost out on him, a lot of these guys would've been good for us.

I wonder, had we not traded back up from 12, what our selection choices would've been.

I literally was dancing around my TV when they announced the pick. I expected Fields, but would have been totally happy with either Fields or Lance.

There was a run on OTs last night but Jenkins, Radunz, and Eichenberg are still there for the Dolphins to grab.  However, knowing that Greer has a chubby for Bama players, don't be surprised to see him pick DT Barmore.  That kid is a beast in the middle and him plus Phillips instantly upgrade the D-Line.

If one of the three mentioned tackles drops to the middle of the second round, you gotta take him, even if Javonte Williams is there.

There will not be a Center or top end RB left by the time we pick at 50, so unless we package some picks to move up, we are going to choose between Center or RB. Maybe even O-Line too depending on who is left. I just don't see RB being picked by us, maybe if Harris was still around but he isn't so it's probably Center which is more helpful for our running game anyway.

Yeah, you are spot-on with this. The fact that we passed over Smith for Waddle who had a fair spell injured last season says to me that playing a good chunk in 2020 wasn't a deciding factor - in effect Sewell, Smith and Parsons were never really on our team's radar (even though some of us thought they should be).

In two years time we will be judging if we should have stuck with #3 and grabbed Pitts/Chase, or we did better with Waddle and the Niner's 2023 1st.

So......the Broncos really passed on Justin Fields because they were comfortable at QB now that they got Bridgewater? I get a feeling a lot of these teams who picked Top 10 will be there again next year just based off of how they picked. Inexplicable.

I don't buy it. Rumors were flying before and during the draft they were ready to throw everything and the kitchen sink to get Rodgers.

Even though the Packers are saying he's not up for trade, it still could happen.

Your comment of "shitting broken glass" gave me a good laugh.  That is a pretty good way of putting it and I agree with you.  They better hope that Williams is there at #36 tonight.  I also agree with you about LB being a weakness that has been there for too long.  I think they put a Band Aid on the Center position by signing Matt Skura and I'm not too crazy about any of the Centers coming out this year so maybe they can hold off another year before drafting a Center.  Like many teams, I think this year the Dolphins are suffering from a few too many critical need areas and not enough early round picks to address them all.  I think that WR and Edge Rusher were the two biggest needs so at least they addressed both of those positions last night.  Hopefully the addressed them with impact players. 

Possibly but the time to trade Rodgers was before the draft. Now, the highlight of the trade will be draft picks a year from now, unless they throw in Surtain who they just drafted but I don't know if that is even allowed so early.

If Waddle turns out even a little bit like Tyreek Hill... and Phillips puts his rap career on hold and wears really thick helmets...Miami could end up with two excellent players.

That said, I probably did several hundred mock drafts for Miami leading up to last night, and I never once selected Waddle, and maybe once or twice for Phillips. I was fairly flummoxed when they announced both.  When Pitts-Chase went, I was almost positive that the pick would be Smith or Sewell.


A couple of quality picks early tonight at 36/50... I am crossing fingers for any of the following:

RB Williams
OC Humphrey or Dickerson
OT: Sam Cosmi or Teven Jenkins
OG: Wyatt Davis or Quinn Meinerz
CB: Tyson Campbell or Assante Samuel jr.
S: Trevon Moehrig or (possibly at #50), Jevon Holland
ILB: JOK or (possibly at #50), Chazz Surratt*
OLB: Azeez Ojulari

* If Miami takes Chazz Surratt, I want them to expend a late rounder on his brother, WR Sage Surratt. I kinda like the idea of having a brother tandem on the roster for some unknown reason.

Rodgers timing of the announcement really gave teams no time to plan for this or manoeuvre before the draft.

If a team jumped it would pour all of their months of draft planning down the drain, so it was pretty unlikely it would happen before today (unless one was in negotiations well in advance of Rodgers dropping the bomb). I thought Denver may have been an outside chance before the draft - that's not to say it still couldn't happen now.

I always thought it was more likely negotiations would start after - it could be a deal with future firsts and seconds, current starters or a mix of both. Once upon a time freshly drafted players were able to be traded immediately (Elway, Rivers, Eli) although I'm not sure if that's still the case. Draft day has become a huge televised event now, it would make a bit of a mockery of all the fanfare when it happens.

That versatile Notre Dame linebacker is still out there. I really think we need to move both picks up and get him and the best RT or Center available and basically call it a draft. This is a loaded draft, I would rather not hold onto our 5th rounder just to take a depth player.

Agreed, i think Grier and MIA got to too cute with the trading. Like they were fantasy football league or something. Your analogy makes sense, none of those teams would make that trade.

Either Grier thought ATL was taking a QB to replace Matt Ryan and Chase/Pitts would fall down to them or miscalcuated.

don't get me wrong, I love Waddle. As a Bama fan, I know the kid has got the wheels to change the middle of the field from the slot position or even coming out of the backfield.  Hopefully, Tua and him can get the chemistry going again,

I truly no nothing about the Philips pick at 18.  I knew he was a nice Edge rusher out of Miami and had seen a couple of games vs VT and UNC.  From what folks are saying, he's the best DE rusher in the draft, just worry about the past injuries and that he reited from CFB once. 

You guys aren't going to say he was "too cute" when we have an extra 1st rounder two years from now.  Imagine a franchise thinking of the long term and not being shortsighted.  Weird.

I don't know if he knew the cost to trade up with Philly before he did it because that move up negated a lot of the value we got from the Niners. Or maybe he didn't think the Bengals would leave their QB out to dry or the Falcons would delude themselves into thinking they were one piece away.

Or, and this is becoming more likely, that teams like the Panthers and Broncos really weren't interested in drafting a QB, so there was no market for the Falcons to move back.

If Chase and Pitts make 2 Pro Bowls each by 2023 while we have the 28th overall pick from the Niners, I will say we were too cute unless Waddle makes Wes Welker look like Jakeem Grant.

I'm a little concerned that Waddle is only 5'10".

That's exactly how tall Tyreek Hill is.

It is funny how often we think alike.  For me, it would be:
RB: Williams
OC:  Maybe Humphrey, I would like Dickerson a lot more if not for his injury history (although I'm not crazy about any of the Centers this year)
OT:  Sam Cosmi
OG:  Aaron Banks (although 2nd round might be a reach and I don't think OG is a need anyway)
CB:  Aaron Robinson
S:  Moehrig or Holland
ILB:  Not in the 2nd round, but I really like Monty Rice or Jabril Cox a little later
OLB:  All the ones I really liked are gone already JOK kind of scares me at under 220 pounds but he could be a good rotational player as a coverage LB or designated rusher/blitzer.

This might ease your worries a little.  Waddle playing basketball in highschool.

https://twitter.com/Hudl/status/1386725365222187010?s=20 (https://twitter.com/Hudl/status/1386725365222187010?s=20)

Yeah...I am not overly concerned about Waddle's height. Too many excellent players in the NFL over the years that were smaller players. Waddle's ability to run through and past coverage is so elite that I think his height will be a non-issue.


We are definitely in opposite camps on this note. I think that this is not only a good OC class, but a fairly deep one as well. There are 5 different centers in this class that I would be happy to see on Miami's line.

Humphrey
Dickerson
Meinerz (OG/C)
Myers
Hill (OG/C)

You could very well be right.  I think all of them have potential, it just seems like I had a big concern in one form or another on each of them.  It sure wouldn't be the first or last time that I was wrong.  LOL 

You and me both. Before SF signed Alex Mack, OC was the 49ers 2nd biggest need position, behind only corner. I spent a lot of times watching vids of those centers.

Despite the Mack signing, I am still hopeful that SF drafts a C before this year's festivities are done.

O-Line is quickly becoming the most expensive position in the league behind QB. If we can, it would be good to draft as many as possible to keep future costs down. I would definitely take a Center or RT with our next pick if they are available and that Notre Dame kid is gone. Even if he isn't I might still take RT or C.

THIS ^^^^^

I just don't understand taking Waddle after signing Fuller.  MIA just acquired a burner to take the top of the defense; they needed a workhorse that can get 8 catches a game, not another high-YPC deep threat.

Fuller is a 1 year rental coming off of a steroid suspension. Waddle is ours for 5 years unless something terrible happens.

Read this twitter thread on Waddle.  The dude is a beast.

https://twitter.com/ckparrot/status/1388137377198133254 (https://twitter.com/ckparrot/status/1388137377198133254)

The pick was in really quickly once Miami went on the clock, so there was no doubt in their mind who they were going to take if Chase and Pitts were off the board. I'm still not convinced they would've taken Waddle if Chase was still on the board but it's pretty obvious they weren't going to take Sewell and ruled him out awhile ago.

Devante Parker as your #3 is really good. If Preston Williams stays healthy, that's scary.

Yeah, I'm happy with the Dolphins WR situation. LB and OL could still use some work in my opinion. I honestly feel like you could pick a RB in the 3rd or 4th round and it might be an upgrade but I really don't care. RB is like the least important position on the offense anymore. It's basically just a reason to give your receivers a rest...unless you are Tennessee then it's the opposite.

Unless the player is a Henry or Barkley, agreed. The position is very dependent on everything else working. A QB and WR can get it done without an O-Line, even if it will be more difficult. A RB can't. No O-Line, no yardage.

The more I see content like this, the more relieved I am that MIA was able to trade down to 6.  Can you imagine the Dolphins picking Jaylen Waddle at #3 overall?  That's a lot of cracked phone screens.