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It's a breakdown of Jaelan Phillips and compares him to the Watt brothers. I don't think I've ever seen this reviewer before but he seems to know what he's talking about. The risk is there with the injuries, but it's not like Tua didn't have injury concerns and most everyone was fine with taking him at #4. This kid we got at #18. Finally there's the fact that Miami won't be a shock to him. He's already accustomed to the heat and lifestyle of Miami. Sounds like a day 1 starter to me at a position of need, not sure what else you can ask for.

Brett Kollmann Film Room: Jaelan Phillips is a terrifying hybrid of the Watt Brothers (https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/n1kff7/brett_kollmann_film_room_jaelan_phillips_is_a/)

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The talent is absolutely there, he is a monster. The difference between him and Tua though is that we didn't have a lot of options when it was time to pick Tua. It was either get him or take a guy like Herbert who at the time was really thought of as second tier. So far, that has proven to not be the case at all but it was the prevailing sentiment at the time. With Phillips, we had lots of other options to pick from on defense.

I'm just hoping that since he played college in Miami that we have the inside track on his medicals and know exactly what we are doing. If so, kid will make our defense even better.

Multiple concussions scare me especially with the publicity on it these days and the recent early retirements. Not that any one can blame them. Outside of knee injuries it’s concussions that give me the most injury concerns.

It’s a gamble but if it pays off it will pay off huge. No one doubts the potential.

I’m not worried about the rap thing either. It’s good that people have other interests, more to life than football.

As a DE, he usually is the one who gives out the concussions. I just hope our medical team is top notch and knows what they are doing because I doubt Grier made any picks without their thumbs up.

Wasn't he a DE for both of the concussions he suffered at UM?   :-X

I hope he's seen his last concussion protocol...but that does concern me a little.

What!? He was taken by the next team in the draft. No Herbert wasn't thought to be next tier by ANYONE except maybe those that wanted Tua so bad they were delusional. I VERY MUCH wanted Herbert OVER Tua. There were others who thought the same way, their voices were just drowned out by all the Tua lovers. Herbert's draft grade was very similar to Tua's. There's no difference. Tua had injury concerns but was thought to be the better prospect so the injury concerns were overlooked. Same thing happened here. You can't praise Grier and company for overlooking the injury concerns with Tua and at the same time fault them for not overlooking the injury concerns for Phillips.

My understanding is that his concussions were when he was at UCLA, not at Miami.

5 Star Recruit Forced to Retire From Football! (What Happened to Jaelan Phillips?) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwSWWBecUWo)

I think it was at UCLA.  He had wrist surgery too but I’m not clear which of his injuries were on the field or related to a traffic accident.

As Edge pointed out it’s better to be giving the hits in this situation than not but concussions are outside of knee damage the kinds of injury that scares me the most. Once get you one the next one is easier and it’s a publicity thing too. His brief retirement shows he will put himself over the game, which is great and how it should be, but it gives some butterflies about the pick.

If he really is the best defense prospect and lives up to it and becomes the next Von Miller than we are good to go. Let’s hope it’s that.

Bold choice Miami and it least they are swinging, as a survivor of the Wanny era that’s progress to me.

I like the waddle pick .. (i called it btw) .. also I like the Philips pick, he's a beast

My bad...but my point was still that he was playing DE when he suffered the concussions, in a semi-snarky rebuttal to:

I'm not liking this draft. 

Miami got too cute with the pre-draft trades. Had they held on to the #3 pick, they could've fleeced Atlanta for Pitts. Instead, they trade down and trade back up hoping Atlanta was going to take a QB and Cincy would take Sewell. Instead, their top two targets (Chase and Pitts) were both grabbed, leaving them to settle for Waddle.

Then they grab Phillips at 18, who has concussion concerns. If they wanted an established edge rusher, Paye would've been a much better choice.

Then they got cute again in the second round and traded up, giving up almost all of their day three picks to draft a safety when other needs were more pressing. They could've stood pat and gotten Eichenberg, but instead had to trade up to draft their next OT target.

Then in the third round with Trey Sermon and Michael Carter still on the board, they decide to not address the RB spot and grab a TE who I've never heard of.

And now this afternoon, they only have two picks in four rounds

TBH, I think this team blew a grand opportunity to get some serious talent in the fold. If these guys don't pan out, it could cost Grier his job.

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There is definitely a lot of truth to what you are saying, I think at this point we all agree the pre-draft trades were a mistake, but we have to factor in that we needed other teams to trade up for us to make some things happen and they didn't want to. Denver and Carolina both passed on Fields and Jones when their time came up, so they were never serious trade targets.

However, we just got 4 starters in 5 picks, maybe a 5th since the TE we drafted was the best one behind Pitts. Huge drop off obviously, but still a solid guy.

We addressed some positions of need, just not all of them and not with the guys most of us thought. I would've preferred we took a different route in terms of guys we selected and moving up, but you need trade partners to make that happen and I don't think anyone was interested.

We used our whole free agency on depth signings until Fuller fell in our laps. Depth is important, championship teams can't have glaring weaknesses but I think we could've done better to ensure a top notch Center or Linebacker.

Sour grapes. I LIKE what we did. We did the smart thing and picked up extra/earlier picks in the next couple of drafts and STILL got good players to fill the positions that needed to be filled. I think you're only looking at the short term and not looking at the long term. That's what gets teams into trouble. You should always be thinking long term, not short term. Almost every draft analysis that I have seen they gave Miami good marks for who they took. Ok, so maybe they didn't get the players you wanted, but they got good players. Very good players. Perhaps underated players that could turn out to be as good or better NFL players than the ones they didn't pick.

I read an article today that said they talked to Tua about what he wanted and he said he wanted speed. Well they got that with both Fuller and Waddle. Then they got a legit pass rusher. Everyone wanted a RB, instead they got a offensive lineman and a blocking TE that could be more valueable then getting a RB. To top it off they picked up a safety to help with the all important slot coverage that Miami needed. All in all I think they did GREAT. We won't know for 2 years at least how it all turns out but it's not all doom and gloom like ya'll are trying to make it out. Try to show a little optimism.

Given that Bill O'Brien is no longer in the league, I don't think you can expect anyone else to trade 3 first-round picks to draft a TE.  And if MIA did have Waddle as their top target (?!), they executed their strategy perfectly.

To move up from 4 to 3 wouldn't cost 3 first round picks.  They would've gotten at least a high second rounder which could've been used on Javonte Williams

And how would you feel if MIA executed said trade and then drafted Waddle at 4?  They clearly valued Waddle over Smith, and you don't know that they valued Chase over Waddle.

Besides, even if MIA had that offer on the table, they still should have taken the SF deal.  A first-round pick is better than a second-round pick.  And you say that MIA could have traded with ATL and gotten Williams at the same pick he was drafted at, but it doesn't work that way; DEN traded up to 35 because that was one spot ahead of MIA, who obviously wanted the last top-tier RB.

If MIA was at 35, DEN would have been trading with NYJ at 34.
If MIA was at 38, DEN wouldn't have been talking to ATL at all.

Count me in for most of the above.

I don't blame Miami taking the Godfather offer from the Niners, but to burn one of those gained first rounders to trade back to #6 for Waddle was IMO a blunder considering we already had added Fuller in free agency and did not end up addressing key areas we have somehow managed to get even weaker in: RB and LB.

Or to put this another way: we have effectively used TWO first round picks on Waddle. That doesn't sound quite so hot now, does it?

This will be against popular opinion, but I would have not traded back up, kept the extra first rounder for next year and snapped up Parsons at #12, Najee Harris at #18, then in the second round addressed the EDGE, then added either an additional lineman or circled back for a speedy WR (remember, this draft was deep in WR prospects plus we already added Fuller).

Look, we drafted some talented guys, and I know (and I suspect quite a few of you also know) rebuilding a team from scratch is a long game and requires patience - the problem is we are coming off an (IMO overrated) 10-6 season and some people have unrealistic expectations that we are already a playoff or even (gasp!) Superbowl contender. We aren't, and by neglecting key areas of weakness, there is a very real possibility we could go backwards this year (especially if the Jets and Patriots improve).

So yeah, if these guys don't pan out, if Tua doesn't improve because we have no rushing game so he has to throw it 40-50 times a game (and is facing a blitz every down), and if we drop in the AFC East this year, there could be a lot of heat all of a sudden on Grier.

Maybe he doesn't deserve it if that happens because we are midway through a rebuild - then again maybe he does. After screwing the pooch on drafting at the RB position two years in a row because they thought their guy would drop to them (which is by definition, insanity) and completely ignoring the massive hole we have at LB, my faith has been shaken - and I think I am a fairly patient and longsighted supporter.

Really doesn't make much sense when we already have Gesicki and Smythe already set at the TE position... until you read that they are both scheduled to be free agents at the end of the season.

This has the same foul stench of the bad-old Ireland/Aponte days of using the draft to cut costs. God I hope I'm wrong...

A lot of you are too stuck on the players you wanted them to draft.  Mel Kiper said we had the best draft out of anyone.  Sportingnews.com gave us the best draft ranking out of everyone.  Stop being negative nancy's.

Is this the new math? We had the #3 pick. We ended up with Waddle PLUS a #1 in 2023 not to mention the swap of 1st round picks with SF which some think is more valueable then the #1 in 2023 (that remains to be seen) and somehow we used 2 picks on Waddle? I think you are confused.

If you don't understand what I mean, it's because you choose not to. There's nothing confused about it, you can manipulate mathematics however way you want.

In short we turned #3 into 3x first round draft picks from the deal with the Niners - #12 in this draft , their first in 2022, their first in 2023.

We used that #12 plus our 2022 first to move up to draft Waddle. That's 2x first rounders in my book. Yeah, we may have only had #3 to start with, but after the Niners deal we had 3x firsts from that one pick and then turned it into two, costing us another pick to move back up to get him.

You choose to say we only had #3 to start with, you can say that we were brilliant because we wound up with Waddle and their 2023 first from that #3 pick and that's all fine. But we could have had Parsons and an additional first rounder in 2022. That's the point I'm making, it's a cost we chose to make. A big one.

I'm surprised you wanted Parsons he is a garbage human being.

No, you are WAY overthinking (underthinking?) it. Honestly the #3 pick wasn't even ours it came from the Tunsil trade. Maybe the below link will help clear things up for you. We FLEECED Houston for 7 players, still have 2 more draft picks to make and you're complaining about the players taken. As far as Waddle is concerned we took the #3 pick and turned it into Waddle, Eichenberg and the 49'ers #1 pick in 2023 and yet you still believe we used 2 1st round picks on Waddle. Some people just have to complain.

Tunsil Trade Tracker (https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/n35364/still_a_couple_of_years_until_its_finished_but)

I've got to agree with Pappy, you're being ridiculous

We clearly have different points of view, and I was trying to explain it logically.

Don't get personal about it guys.

I'm not taking it personal, your logic is just way flawed.  I won't brow beat you about it though, to each their own.

I can understand being somewhat disappointed with the draft. However some of you are acting as if Miami completely blew the draft. Reading these posts might lead some people to believe that Miami will be worse off because of this draft.

If we only picked Waddle, we would be a better team. As it stands, we might have the most depth in the league. That doesn't mean we have Pro Bowler after Pro Bowler, but we can go down at almost any position and be okay for a few games.

Because some people here actually said that.