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This WOULD have been painful if the Dolphins didn't have a chance to draft Justin Herbert and passed over him. The fact that they did makes this a moot point. Herbert on the Dolphins and keep those 3 #1 picks? Sign me up! This wasn't even the biggest missed opportunity of that draft.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-insider-confirms-the-worst-fear-of-dolphins-fans-everywhere/ar-AATiN0t?li=BBnb7Kz

We always knew that the team tried to move up for Burrow. Listen, next time we tank, NO ONE cheer for us to win meaningless fucking games in December to go from 4 wins to 5. It hurts the franchise so grow up and put your feelings aside for the greater good.

A lot good that "creating a winning environment" did for us.

Once again: at the time MIA was tanking, it was literally to get the QB - Tua Tagovailoa - that they got anyway.

If I go back and pull quotes from those of you openly rooting to Tank For Tua, will that end all this hindsight GM nonsense?

I was very happy we got Tua, but as the season progressed and Burrow emerged while Tua got hurt, I definitely wanted Burrow more and was actively rooting against us towards the enthe year. Like, all the time. To be honest, it was a minor miracle we even got Tua since 3 of the teams ahead of us didn't need QB's....except the Redskins who took Chase Young.

I'm always going to root for Miami to win.  As a fan that's what gives me the most enjoyment, and what I say or do doesn't affect the team.  If a GM tanks our season for a better draft, that's part of his job, and Grier did his job on that account.  If a coach or player does it, they should be immediately fired.  Their job is to win games and play or coach at a high level.  You are ruining the integrity of the game if a coach or player tanks.  

I agree with you about the players and coaches. As a fan, I can see the greater good in losing, as do the Bengals fans. However, a player/coach can never tank and I don't think they do either. They get their ass beat playing whether they win or lose, I don't see them losing on purpose. I can see a prima donna WR not going 100% if the team sucks, but no way is a Left Tackle going to half ass it and get his QB killed so a team he might not even be on next year gets a better draft pick.

The GMs will definitely tank though and I am good with that if it warrants it.

There was few, if any, people saying Tua was better than Burrow at season's end let alone at the time of the draft. It wasn't even known if Tua's hip was going to fully recover.

In fairness, what more could they have done? We traded away our best players and played young kids. We couldn't tell the coaches and players to just lay down. The only thing I could think of was not start a guy like Fitzpatrick who would never half ass it. Probably should've started some 7th rounder all year instead.

I'm going to copy and paste my response on reddit for this, which is similar to my comment above:

What a fucking terrible take. A GM can tank for a better draft if they're in a rebuild. We did that. As soon as a head coach or player tanks they should be immediately fired. The coach and players played hard that year that's why we were in the spot we were in.

We had Josh Rosen and was all set to be the number one pick. In all fairness most coaches would have played him longer to see what he had but Flores "had seen enough". We had the easiest tank job set up but Flores refused to go along. People like to say players would have quit on him but we didn't keep many anyway so it really wouldnt have mattered.


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Between Tom Brady’s first start and his retirement, he won 7 Super Bowl rings and the Miami Dolphins never won a single playoff game.

Among the saddest statistics in all of professional sports.

I was not on board with tanking for Tua or anyone else for that matter and have never been. I was actually very happy with the wins we got in 2019.

I totally forgot about Rosen. Yeah, the leash on that guy was pathetic. Not saying he was going to Canton but Flores obviously wanted nothing to do with him from Day 1 and it showed. Damn, now I hate Flores more than I did before. He really did screw up our tank with the Fitzpatrick stuff.

That wasn't my point.

My point is that the tanking "project" was to get Tua.  It doesn't make sense to tank at the beginning of a season and just blindly hope that some unheralded QB has a miracle season and jumps up the chart (also: that's a really bad idea, historically).

You tank for Peyton.
You tank for Eli.
You tank for Luck.
You tank for Tua.
You tank for Lawrence.
You do not tank with the hopes that some random QB has a record-setting year.

I honestly hope that the media and the fans keep the same energy when talking about JAX picking Trevor Lawrence as they have with MIA picking Tua.  It's one thing if Tua (or Lawrence!) is a bust, but this "I knew better all along" stuff is grating.

+1

And all this BS that NO ONE could have known better is just as grating especially to those of us that did.

Yup.  I was against the Tua pick for a number of reasons, injury history, size, lefty, and the fact he was coming from Alabama that gets a high percentage of the top players in the nation, which makes all of their players look a little better than they would actual be on an average team.  I preferred Herbert over Tua BEFORE the draft.  Now that he's on the team I will support him until it's clear he is a bust.  More and more I see him being a Jimmy G type QB, undersized and often injured, but a decent QB when he's on the field.  I'm just hoping he can shake the injury bug next season.

You, specifically, did not know better.
You said MIA should not have drafted any QB with that pick.

That's not what I said, it's a close approximation to what I said which in your mind is enough, but it's not what I said. It's also what I said in January, months before the draft, by the time of the draft I had changed my mind. Apparently that's not allowed by you. Here's what I said on April 20th...

"My problem with Tua goes much deeper then just his injury status. I think he benefited tremendously from the team he was on and his stats look much better because of it. If Herbert and Tua swapped places I think you would see the same thing happen with their stats, Herbert's would look much gaudier and Tua's would look much more mundane and they would have comparable stats if Herbert's weren't better then Tua's. Then when you consider the fact that Herbert is the prototypical size for a QB, his athleticism and his arm ability and Tua's injury history (not his injury status) it becomes a no brainer for me that the pick should be Herbert. But what do I know, I'm just a fan."

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=26215.msg367326#msg367326

And I voted no. And the vote was 10 for, 6 against. Clearly NOT the landslide case for Tua that people (not just Spider) are trying to suggest. Only 3 people admitted to voting no Masterfins, Phishfan and I even though 6 voted no. I'd be interested to hear from the 3 others that voted no.

And here's what you said the day of the draft, from the same thread:

Your position, from January to the literal day of the draft, was that neither Tua nor Herbert were truly "worth" the #5 pick, but if MIA was set on taking a QB, you thought Herbert was a better pick than Tua.  And then you hammered that second part (Herbert over Tua) over and over... but you never explicitly reversed yourself on Herbert being a reach at #5, and were still saying that you were fine with passing on BOTH of them the literal day of the draft.

It's absurd and ridiculous for you to turn around and try to play the "I told you so" card on Herbert, after your incredibly bad take of being fine with passing on both Tua and Herbert.  Stop trying to make yourself out to be some sort of hindsight prophet; you DEFINITELY blew this draft on Herbert (just like everyone else), and the jury is still out as to whether you also blew the draft on Tua.

Matt Moore in 11 and FitZy in 19 doomed this franchise. Sure as mentioned the plan was Tank for Tua but after the injury and Burrow’s emergence the consensus was Burrow at 1 no question.