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Pats get Parker and a 2022 5th Rounder and we get a 2023 3rd rounder.

.......bro. You had to trade a guy who 3 years ago led the AFC in yards to a division rival who had a better record than you? We all know he is breaking out for 1300 yards this season now.

I would take this trade for any team in the NFC, but not the AFC and not a divisional team.

Absolutely retarded for so many things. I’m in the minority here, but I think Parker would have played lights out this year. You don’t trade within your division. You definitely don’t trade a guy like Davante Parker within your division. And, remember how trading Wes Welker to the Patsies worked out?

The primary goal in any season of to make the playoffs. This doesn't seem to get us any closer to that. On the contrary, I'm fact. Not a fan of this move.

I was wondering why I had never seen this stat before about DeVante Parker, a player who has never made the Pro Bowl.  I think there are two reasons:

1) It's not true.  You forgot to include the qualifier of "led AFC wide receivers in yards," because Travis Kelce had more receiving yards than Parker that year.

2) That was just a bad year for receivers in the AFC, period: Parker finished 5th, more than 500 yards behind the league leader (Michael Thomas).  And there were only 6 AFC players in the top 20 of receiving yards that season.

Dude, Brady isn't on the Patriots any more.  Mac Jones is not throwing to anyone for 1300 yards.

You wouldn't trade Parker to the Jets?

Not a bad pick up for trading down 2 rounds. 

I am not expecting Parker to magically become all-pro but if he clocks  500-600 yards and 3-4 TDs it is a win for NE given the price.

Honestly thought it was all AFC Receivers, my bad. Still, the top receiver in the AFC that year, despite it being a down year. The kid has talent, just no passion. I would also be hesitant to trade him to the Jets, albeit I would prefer them to the Pats as this does nothing but strengthen a team that was better than us last year.

Shocking no other team offered a 4th or 5th.

Talented players that are just phoning it on other teams because they perceive the season as futile are ideal candidates for a BB turn around.
If no renewed effort they don't last long.  High upside small downside for NE. 

Mac Jones is no Tom Brady, but he is better than Tannihill.

Less anyone forget this.  Guy can't stay healthy it seems.

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I don't think we got value in terms of the pick for the talent -- parker is a C-list player, which is fine and I think he would've been able to contribute in this system.  But he was going to be getting paid more than we were going to get value to be our 4th receiving option and I just don't think we had that luxury.

It's a good trade for Miami, although I'd rather not have given up the 5th rounder also.  Parker will be out of the league in a year or two; he's not going to put up any big numbers unless the Pats have to make him their #1 receiver, and even then he won't surpass a thousand yards.

This trade also takes a third-round pick away from the Patriots.

I understand the sentiment behind not trading good players within your division.  I wouldn't have wanted to trade Minkah Fitzpatrick or Brandon Marshall to a team in the AFC East.  But when it comes to a player that MIA has essentially given up on from a performance standpoint... you might as well.

The tougher choice is: if, instead of HOU, it's NYJ that calls the Dolphins and offers the deal for Laremy Tunsil that the Texans offered, do you still make that trade?
How far does "Don't trade within the division" go?

Parker never got healthy from his hamstring injury and his played showed it. We all know he can ball withe the best of them but most likely it will only be the two games against Miami next season. In reality he has really only had one great season. Every other years was filled with a few great catches. Maybe BB can figure out how to get more from him.

Very good question. I think it depends on where we are as a team compared to the Jets at the time of the trade. If we sucked and they were contenders, make the trade for the rebuild. Same as vice versa. However, if we were both on equal footing as playoff or near playoff teams, I don't make the trade, even if it probably helps us more in the long run.

The equal footing issue is probably the biggest thing for me, you don't want to make a competitive rival better and Parker will probably be better than whoever we draft in the 3rd round next year. Let Mac Jones fail without any weapons.

Shocked that New England would want a player like Parker.  If their organizational culture -- which is what was primarily responsible for their dynasty -- is going to move away from players like Tom Brady and toward players like Devante Parker, so be it.  I'll facilitate that all day long.

In 2020, the year after Parker was given his big contract with the Dolphins, the team was 8-4 after 12 games and in the midst of a playoff run.  He then proceeded to miss three games in a row and return for the last game of the season, catching 7 passes for 116 yards and earning a $750K contract incentive he wouldn't have earned had he missed that game.

If he was phoning it in during those three games, it certainly wasn't because he perceived the season as futile, and if he was, he was delusional.

We're on the same page with his dedication, but this is why I don't like the trade. He doesn't have a lot of money or years on his contract and he was just dumped by Miami, so he is "motivated" now. I fear we just gave our playoff division rival a 1,000 yard receiver.

A player without passion for the game can be motivated by nothing other than money.  He is either intrinsically or extrinsically motivated, and Parker is extrinsically motivated.

Can’t believe we traded in division

A lot of the reason it's not good to trade within the division is that you don't want the player going to his new team and sharing your playbook.  With a new coach and new coordinators the playbook will be changed so it won't make a difference.  Furthermore, sometimes when players try to show up their former teams it backfires.  Let's not forget Miami's defensive players have been on the other side of the ball from Parker for years and know his tendancies better than anyone.

I think MIA has hired enough ex-Patriots to know from experience that the danger of one of your players moving withing the division is sometimes overstated.

Except for the facts Miami swept them last year, Miami has split the series five years in a row,  and Miami has an all time winning record against them.

Would you prefer I use the example of ex-Bills?

I mean, if we're looking at the big picture, MIA has a winning record against every team in the AFC East (and also former AFCE member IND), so what does that tell us about intradivisional trades?

Bill Belichick has a mixed record for the draft.  But he has an outstanding record when it comes to both rehabilitating other teams trash.

I would attribute that to the winning culture they sustained 2001-2019.  During that time New England had Belichick and Brady and a longstanding culture of winning, such that newly obtained players easily assimilated into it.  Even the likes of Randy Moss "behaved himself" as a function of that culture.  I'm not so sure they still have that, however, as I believe Brady, and not Belichick, was the lynchpin of it.  Brady went to Tampa Bay and immediately generated the same kind of culture, whereas the Patriots have been shells of their former selves since.

Devante Parker is walking into a far different Patriot locker room than the one Randy Moss walked into in my opinion.

What culture?  The culture of making your opponents turn the ball over and do stupid things?

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Another history lesson. After acquiring Marshall, Miami traded ginn. That sure worked out well.  ::)

I would have liked to have both Parker and hill. 

I split off all of the Patriots' culture discussion that had nothing to do with DeVante Parker and moved it to Around the NFL.

Parker said that there were several teams wanting to trade with Miami but he wanted New England and Grier granted his request.

Does Grier make any moves that are graded out as "meh"? Seems like everything is either a Homerun or Complete shit.

I've been starting at this thread for weeks and I just came to say that I think this "trading within the division" stuff is largely overrated.  This is even moreso true when you have a new coach so the old guy won't even know the old game-plans and stuff.

I agree with that in general, unless you're trading partner has a proven track record of identifying players that are being used ineffectively and with a little tweaking the player can become more productive.  I would go so far as to say, "If BB values one of your players more than you value that player, rather than trade said player you should do a deep analysis of how you can better utilize said player"