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Title: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Dave Gray on January 17, 2023, 10:47:48 am
Frugal February is back, everyone!

I didn't do it in 2022.  After a year and a half of living underground like a mole-person during COVID, I need any excuse to get out and see people, so I wasn't about to sit at home and count pennies for a month.

But I'm ready to hit it hard this month, so I'm getting this notice out there early.  Also, my household has been spending like crazy, and with inflation and everything else, I definitely need to get my things in order.  It's also been a minute since I've looked over bills and contracts.

Here's the rundown of the rules:

1) No impulse buys.  You can need a lamp and go to the store to buy a lamp.  But you can't browse and say "oh, I like that lamp."
2) No eating out.  Basically, this means you have to pack your lunch and prepare you dinners at home.  Of course there are exceptions, for birthdays or valentines day or whatever.  But in general...no food for convenience sake.
3) No premium on alcohol.   Essentially, beer at home is OK.  Beer at a bar is not.
4) You cannot buy any clothing or accessories.
5) You must make a budget and review your finances.
6) You must track each cent you spend and share your results.


Additional points:

- Don't get caught up on the specifics.  If you realize something doesn't make sense for you and you see it coming, you can allow yourself an exception.  This year, I'm going to allow myself to have a $1.50 Costco hotdog when I'm shopping there.  I used to deny it on principle but I actually save money by eating a lunch for $1.50, so I'm going with it.   But, for example, if you have a friend meeting you for dinner from out of town, you gotta do what you gotta do.   "No eating out" essentially means eating at home or packing meals for your day to day.  There are situations where that won't make sense; don't throw out the whole month on a technicality.

- Don't say "I do this already lol".  No you fucking don't.  Every year, I see someone say this shit and it's not true.  You spend more than you think.

- Don't skip past the budget and tracking part.  This isn't just about denying yourself.  It's about the realization of what you're spending.  Renegotiating bills, cancelling and moving services is a huge part of it.

- For me, the overwhelming majority of the difficulty is around managing my behavior with my wife and kids.  Though I wish they would participate, I'm not going to put my weird obsessions on them.  My wife seems to be passive aggressive about it.  She doesn't like to order out food for just herself.  So, when I politely decline, she won't order for herself either, but then she'll be resentful.  It's a struggle.

- My father passed away and we got some money that we used to fix up the house.  That was weird, because it was big spending but not in a traditional savings sense, so I've kinda lost touch with my finances and need to establish a new baseline.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Brian Fein on January 26, 2023, 11:53:59 pm
I do this already.  Except I do.  Except for #2, which I am not prepared to give up on.  So, yeah.  I do this already, mostly.  I can show you my tracking sheet if you want to see it.  I use it monthly...


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Dave Gray on January 27, 2023, 08:41:18 am
If you don't do #2, you don't do it.  That's the biggest part of the savings.

Plus, you're full of crap.  You collect toys and stuff.  Those are impulse buys.  They aren't purchases of need.  You also purchase V-bucks when on sale.  I'm sure there are other things.

But food and drinks out are a lot of money.  Switching to eating at home is a huge savings.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Brian Fein on January 27, 2023, 10:27:18 am
If you don't do #2, you don't do it.  That's the biggest part of the savings.

Plus, you're full of crap.  You collect toys and stuff.  Those are impulse buys.  They aren't purchases of need.  You also purchase V-bucks when on sale.  I'm sure there are other things.

But food and drinks out are a lot of money.  Switching to eating at home is a huge savings.
switching to eating at home just moves money from "dining out" to "groceries".  granted, maybe you get more meals for your money, but i find that the amount of work/convenience factor has value.  so if i can go to the deli across the street and buy a sandwich instead of spending an hour or more cooking and cleaning (plus the cost of the food), I feel its worth the minor cost difference.  Groceries aren't dirt cheap unless you just eat Ramen every meal.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Dave Gray on January 27, 2023, 10:57:24 am
Cut this shit.

If you don't think it's worth doing, don't do it.  But don't say that you already do it.

Groceries are much less than half the cost of eating prepared foods.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: CF DolFan on January 27, 2023, 02:52:55 pm
When we are dieting we hardly ever eat out and it's very noticeable in our bank account. Dinner for two with no alchohol is like $50 any more at places like Chili's. It' crazy.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: SlothVomit on January 27, 2023, 11:52:29 pm
Me and my better half are trying to save for a home so we do this already. We made a budget and we stick to it. Not going out to eat is HUGE. I work from home, so not driving my truck daily saves a ton. Also, Dave convinced me to switch to Mint Mobile a few years back and it saves us a ton. We were both paying over $100/month and now $390 a year. We could very well pay far less, but we both choose the unlimited plan just cause. We convinced a few members of our family to switch as well and they are very happy with it.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Brian Fein on January 30, 2023, 09:42:43 am
I'd like to learn more about Mint Mobile.
There has to be a catch.
Like, Metro PCS has crappy service and it used to be that your phone wouldn't work if you left the state.  I'm sure that's not true any more.

How can places like AT&T and Verizon justify their cost when Mint exists.  What's the catch?


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Sunstroke on January 30, 2023, 10:05:57 am

^^^ I'm curious as well. My phone bill through Verizon is $110/month. I am in a difficult-to-get-reception area in the mountains of N AZ though.  I couldn't really even use T-Nobile, because the connectivity is so bad.




Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Dave Gray on January 30, 2023, 10:10:23 am
I think it's a few things:

AT&T has a built in reputation and customer base going back to land-line phones.  It's generations of customers and people who just pay what they've always been paying.  It's probably a similar reason that some people still pay for cable, when there are much more cost effective solutions.  There are people out there still paying for McAfee Antivirus.

Also, AT&T does a bundle of bundle tactics to allow people to group families together, share minutes and data, include a new phone with a contract, etc, insurance protections, spam blockers.  Mint doesn't do any of that shit.  Bring your own phone, cheap service that works.  That's it.  No extra bullshit.  But I don't know how many people can drop $1000 on an iPhone so that they can get $15/month service.

And Mint just isn't as good quality as AT&T.  It's good enough, but you're using a hodgepodge of other service networks.  If I were to travel to certain places in the country, I'm sure AT&T would offer better service.  But the truth is, I don't.  I am largely living where I live and if I travel, it's to major cities.  And I don't rely on my cellphone and I use wi-fi when it's available, so I mitigate problems.  But I've had Mint for years and I am super glad I switched.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Fau Teixeira on January 30, 2023, 10:59:39 am
I use Google FI specifically because it has free international calling


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Dave Gray on January 30, 2023, 12:43:27 pm
I had Google Fi for a while, but the service was so terrible where my office was.  It might've been just the little pocket of area, but it was noticible.  I think it probably improved by the time I got off of it, but Mint was cheaper anyway and works way better for me.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: SlothVomit on January 30, 2023, 01:14:14 pm
I'll add that I drove from FL to TN and back without losing service on MM once. I drove from FL to NY and only lost service in the Adirondacks. But even my GF's parents whom have ATT lost service there. I can't speak for the mid-west or west coast but so far the move to MM is well worth it.

I have attempted to convert a few folks and they refuse because of comfortability and bundle plans. I find it dumb, but I find cable to be dumb as well. All that's truly needed, for me at least, is a digital antenna to get local news. I don't watch sports, but I can imagine it isn't difficult to stream anything these days with a jailbroken firestick or a VPN. I have a few streaming services but pay for only one. Like most folks, I have a network of friends whom share passwords so we all save. 



Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Dave Gray on January 30, 2023, 01:43:25 pm
Even if you absolutely want live TV in a traditional sense, things like YouTubeTV are doing what cable does for way less.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Dave Gray on January 31, 2023, 06:33:33 pm
This starts tomorrow, so start preparing tonight.  Pack your lunches, fools.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Pappy13 on January 31, 2023, 09:57:32 pm
Wait you do this without your wife's blessing. I'd sleep with one eye open.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Phishfan on January 31, 2023, 10:34:45 pm
I'd like to learn more about Mint Mobile.
There has to be a catch.
Like, Metro PCS has crappy service and it used to be that your phone wouldn't work if you left the state.  I'm sure that's not true any more.

How can places like AT&T and Verizon justify their cost when Mint exists.  What's the catch?

Metro is on Tmobile network. I never had issues with service in or out of state.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Dave Gray on February 02, 2023, 09:34:44 am
Day 1 was a success.

I had a movie ticket voucher from a subscription to a theater.  I used my voucher, then paused the subscription so I wouldn't be charged.  I made my own trail mix at home and snuck a Coke Zero in my pocket.

My mother-in-law did drop us off sandwiches that she had picked up.  I will never game the system and ask someone else to buy me something, but sometimes I get lucky.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: fyo on February 03, 2023, 09:42:19 am
I'd like to learn more about Mint Mobile.
There has to be a catch.
Like, Metro PCS has crappy service and it used to be that your phone wouldn't work if you left the state.  I'm sure that's not true any more.

How can places like AT&T and Verizon justify their cost when Mint exists.  What's the catch?

Mint uses the T-Mobile network, so if your T-Mobile coverage is bad, Mint is not going to be for you. They also have relatively high upfront costs since their cost structure incentivizes long term commitments paid up front. There are also some restrictions wrt data. Even on unlimited, there's a 5 GB hotspot cap (seriously, practically no countries except for the US even have this) and you will be throttled after 35 GB. There are also some "prepaid" limitations that I've never really understood. That is, some services don't work with prepaid numbers. It can be really stupid crap, too, like the recent Battlenet account stuff where no one with a phone # on a prepaid plan could sign up - and still can't - so no Overwatch 2 for you!

Smart Watches also apparently don't work well with them (I've read that "Visible" is the only prepaid that works with them, but don't have any personal experience).


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: masterfins on February 03, 2023, 12:58:23 pm
I use Trac Fone for cell service and my total expense per YEAR is $164.00.  It runs off of the predominant local provider, Verizon or AT&T, so I never have any connection issues.  That's based on $7/ month regular fee, $30 per year in extra text/GB usage that ends up exceeding the standard allotment, and another $50 in amortized phone cost (I replace my phone about every 3 years, the last phone I paid about $150 for a new, older model Samsung Galaxy).


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Dave Gray on February 05, 2023, 08:14:29 am
I have had some bad luck with things breaking in the house.  I'm going to have to replace my A/C unit, so I'm out 6K on that job.  
And today, I discovered that a window was broken and I couldn't get it up or down....it was kinda stuck 1" cracked open.  Luckily I was able to go and "fix" the window so it's closed and sealed, but it's not working properly.  It does make it something I don't have to deal with right now though.

I spent the day detailing my car.  ...inside, at least.  It took all day and I got as deep down as I could, removing everything and even pulling up the seats.  It doesn't really have to do with frugality, but it was a good way to stay productive and have something to do.

A small medical bill left over from my kidney stone was emailed to me.  It was the difference that insurance didn't pay, which was like $16.  That and my mortgage are the only two things paid so far.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Dave Gray on February 06, 2023, 09:42:35 am
I renegotiated my internet bill today.  Some OK savings, but the promotion was for a higher Mbps that I had (and higher than I need, really).

It's a dog and pony show and it's a pain in the ass.  I don't want to switch.  You know it.  I know it.  But your competitors will charge me 50% of what you're charging to get me hooked.

So, they drop it some, still end up earning more than they would've.  So, they lock me in for a few more years at a more competitive price.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Fau Teixeira on February 06, 2023, 11:09:32 am
Years ago i switched from ATT to comcast as internet providers. I signed up for comcast, had it installed, called ATT and told them to turn my shit off as the installer was setting up comcast. They tried offering me discounts and when i told the guy on the phone that the comcast installer was finishing up the comcast installation, he got super mad, and asked why i wouldn't even give them a chance to match prices. Which of course made it even better for me when i told him that i didn't owe him shit and who the fuck does he think he is to comment on what i choose to purchase. It was honestly a very satisfying conversation on my part.


Title: Re: Frugal February 2023
Post by: Dave Gray on February 06, 2023, 01:19:28 pm
My lawn service went up by $15 a month.  ...which I kinda knew was coming since I had a better rate than my neighbors.  I made the offer to only got up $5 if I paid for the year upfront, so that was a win, I guess.