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He was the assistant O-Line coach in San Fran during 2021 and the O-Line coach for Denver last year. He was......not good. Denver allowed the most sacks in the league and weren't good at rushing yards allowed either. Apparently, the players hated him too.

I'm hoping McDaniel knows something we don't because this looks like a terrible hire. Maybe his scheme didn't fit with the Broncos and it does with Miami? We can only hope.

Not a fan of this but let’s hope for the best.

Lot's of negative press about him in Denver but the oline wasn't bad. Considering our offensive coordinator has a lot to do with the line since he isn't calling plays I'm not sure how important he really is.

Dead last in sacks allowed, that's pretty bad. Of course, was Wilson to blame for a lot of that by holding onto the ball for too long? Hard to say since I didn't watch their games, but I'm hoping McDaniel knows him well and feels he can succeed.

I saw this in an article about his release from Denver and it makes sense. "Barry's wide-zone system in Denver was a stark contrast from Munchak's man-on-man blocking scheme" so the players hated it. I think Barry was trying to incorporate the same system we are playing under McDaniels.

That's what I was thinking too and I hope that is what McDaniels is thinking. We got enough veterans and talent on the O-Line that I don't think even a bad coach will make Armstead play poorly, but it's better if we have someone on the same page as McDaniel.

I think the most worrying thing about Butch Barry is that he was leery of engaging with or confronting players, leaving notes on their mistakes in their lockers instead of talking face-to-face with them. That just seems like an awful style of coaching.

Yeah, I read that too and it had me worried. You're dealing with 300 pound men, you have to be a man when addressing them, not leaving notes like junior high.

I think McDaniel will be the saving grace though. Players trust and like him, they will work with the new guy if he vouches for him.

I take that with a grain of salt. Considering the amount of time spent together I find it really hard to imagine a coach not having a relationship with his players. Channing Crowder said yesterday he doesn't know of any position coach ever not having a relationship with his players.

Something was terribly wrong with Broncos locker room last year I mean some of the things I’ve seen here..sure you get the occasional head cases but it was like everyone was one last year. Hard to judge him solely on that year but I do hope McD knows what he’s doing.

Yeah, apparently everyone hated Russell Wilson and now he looks to have had some shady charity group stuff going on. Team was a mess so I'm hoping it was an anomaly and he will be good for us and whatever new guys we get to play RT and LG because there is no way we're going into 2023 with Austin Jackson at RT.

Can't say I'm excited about this given the reports.  Getting into Wannstedt territory where we just hire coaches we've worked with before just because we know them, even though they sucked on prior teams.  All you can do now is hope for the best, but IMO this team needed a coach that could teach techniques.

The outside zone blocking scheme is reportedly insanely difficult to teach and the few offensive line coaches that are "experts" in it are in incredibly high demand and you often see "assistant head coach" appended to their title, in some ways putting them above the offensive coordinator that they report to. Butch Barry is supposed to be one of those experts and it was the reason he was brought to the Broncos in the first place.

Found this absolutely meaningless intro-interview with him when he joined the Broncos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKcPU08s0Y4

One thing you always hear about the offensive line is the importance of consistency. We've now had 5 offensive line coaches in 5 years.

Here's hoping we don't go 6 for 6.

Here's an article from 18 months ago on the issues with finding coaches to teach the scheme:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/08/16/why-its-hard-to-copycat-the-shanahan-style-offense-daily-cover

It mentions both McDaniel and Butch Barry.

^^^^ Yeah let's have a complicated blocking scheme that is hard to teach, thereby hard to understand, when we have players moving among three different spots on the offensive line.  That's a great plan.  ???

I'm sure Brian Flores had a blocking scheme that was very easy to teach and understand.
It just sucked.

Wasn't it under Flores that we fired the offensive line coach during OTAs or something because he wasn't able to teach the scheme?

That sounds an awful lot like the chicken and the egg question. Is the offensive line bad because of inconsistent coaching or is the inconsistent coaching because of the bad offensive line? Does it matter?

We've tried to make sense of it for a decade now. Do the players suck? Do the O-Line coaches suck? How can every coach suck? How can every draft pick suck? Very hard to answer. All I know is, we got 3 guys on the line right now who are very good or better. Just need a reliable RT and someone who isn't a turnstile at LG and this is a Top 10 unit.

If Austin Jackson sees more than 30 snaps this season, lots of things went wrong.

Two wins to start the season, without Armstead on the field, and the O-line has looked pretty darn good.  Tua isn't running for his life, and the O-line actually opened up some holes for Mostert to run through.  It's some of the same players Miami has had for years, so the question becomes is the coaching better?  I just hope it keeps up.

I think it's a combination of several things, but the primary factor IMHO is that Tua is getting rid of the ball crazy fast. NFL's NextGenStats have him with ta time-to-throw of 2.35 seconds, which is the fastest of anyone over the past couple of years. And when you compare it with the depth of his throws (completed as well as intended) it's just pretty special. Usually, when quarterbacks have to get the ball out really quickly, the throws are fairly short.

Tua is also moving much better in the pocket, which is not just a quarterback thing, but also a question of designing the blocking scheme to allow pressure in specific areas, but not in others - and the qb then has to trust that and know where he can move during the play. That synergy is just much improved over last year and the offensive line certainly gets at least some of the credit from that.

Finally, the offensive line, the tight ends, and the running backs have all just been doing better at not allowing fast pressure. There were a couple of plays last week where Joey Bosa was chipped by a running back with no help from anyone. I'm not thrilled about that matchup, but it worked and full credit to both coaches and players for making it work.

McDaniel is going to have to keep changing the game plan every week and keep different plays churning in the system. Otherwise other teams will start getting more interceptions. Can't get too predictable.

I think it's a combination of coaching and personnel - the latter has definitely taken a step up.

Isaiah Wynn has been a HUGE addition to the interior! Have a look back at the Denver game, and see how many of those big run holes were created by him and Hunt - all of a sudden what was a problem position for us at guard for years looks solid (I just hope Williams injury isn't serious).

On the outside, at RT Jackson now looks like the guy we thought we drafted. Maybe that's coaching, maybe that's the shock of not having his option taken up resulting in him making more of an effort? I was ready to write him off last year, and so far this is a complete 180 turn.

Add in a fit Armstead (just how good did he look last Sunday running out in space to block downfield?) and this looks like a very, very good group. We've waited long enough for it!

Sometimes it's the Jimmys and Joes, sometimes it's the X's and O's.   For one reason or the other (or both) it wasn't working for a long long time.   Since 2003, I can't recall this team having a single season with a decent offensive line up until now.  Like you, I'm hoping it stays that way this season.