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I posted this at the request of D4L.

I had the full range, + a booster, + a bivalent booster

I am pretty sure I've had the first 2 (full dose) and 3 boosters.

One full dose

I'm surprised at how all over the map we are.

I have had the full dose and 1 booster.

i was planning on getting the 2nd regular booster, but then i got covid instead so i put it off for a few months and by then the bivalent booster was out so i got that one

bivalent booster? I'm serious when I ask this question ... how many boosters are out there? I thought you get the shot and then just update it as it begins to wear off. Are there different types of booster shots? 

The bivalent booster came out late last year .. it was a combination of the original booster, plus a booster targeted at the omicron variants, so it was a twofer. The omicron variant was so much different than the original the the booster was not effective

I had heard a while back that the COVID booster would likely just be paired with the annual flu shot and not be its own thing anymore.  I guess that hasn't happened yet?

I believe the government funding for COVID vaccines either just ended or will very soon.  The "omicron" booster that Fau mentioned is supposedly more long-lasting so not advised to get boosters every 4 or 6 months, but every year.  Its convenient to get flu shot and covid shot together, but then again i've never in my life had a flu shot.  My wife has had covid twice and i have still never had it (knock wood).

When I worked for the County they gave us free flu shots. Until then I never had one as I was young and in good health. The idea of getting seriously ill from the flu wasn't a concern. The first year I was talked into getting the flu shot the flu was really bad. People were getting it and missing like a week or so of work. I ended up getting it but since I had the shot it only lasted a couple of days and wasn't too bad. My inspector who had talked me into getting it suffered very similar. I know this seems contrary to my covid stance to those that want to argue but the flu shot has been around for many years with little to no side effects. Like I said before I'm not anti vax just anti covid vax or probably better off anti being forced to take a vaccine that hasn't been proven.

CF, just curious, how much data do you need before you consider the Covid vax "proven?"

I'm not asking to be cheeky, I'm genuinely interested in knowing when you will decide that you've seen enough from other people to consider getting it?

The underlying technology used in the covid vaccine has been around for almost 30 years. It was being used almost exclusively for things like cancer research and therapies. Mainly because why the hell would anyone think they'd need to use it for what's basically a flu shot. The fact that they re-purposed the technology to address something flu-like in covid was the "new-ness" of the technology.

I honestly have no answer to that. It's not like I have a check list but I will say I'm typically last to try something new. These new weight loss pills are a great example. I had the opportunity to start them last year and didn't. Turns out the one I was offered causes you to lose muscle mass and not fat so even though you lose actual weight you actually get fatter. I didn't partake in the Fen-phen craze either which turned out to be a good idea.

But when one of the guys who invented that technology pointed out why this one was dangerous in this case you want to call him a kook? Makes no sense to me. You either believe the scientist or you don't especially when they aren't getting paid to have an opinion. More people believe in media than science these days and its sad.

I don't have a lot of access to scientists, personally.  So anything scientists "say" comes through a media outlet. 
The problem with that is that the media always has an agenda - one way or another.  But for me, I try to take the input of multiple media outlets and form a consensus.

Up to this day, right now, I've not heard from anywhere that "the guy who invented the technology" said it was dangerous.  Not saying you're lying, but I haven't heard that.  Do you have more info on that?

FWIW I'm not trying to convince you or anyone to get the vax.  Personal choices are just that - personal. For me, and the people around me, I feel it was the right thing to do.

For me it was the part where they changed the definition of "vaccine" mid-pandemic to make it fit the covid shot instead of just calling it something else. If they would have changed it before covid started, then I would probably give it a pass. But when you have to change a valid definition of a word when you're technically wrong, just to convince people who are technically right. Well let's just say that it doesn't look like it's on the up and up.

I don't believe in any specific scientist or not .. it's science .. it isn't a belief. The whole point is that you take the science, you try to disprove it and you end up either disproving something or confirming it. Rinse and repeat.  Once scientist matters nothing. A consensus is what you're looking for.

The fact that any one person would claim to have "invented" mRNA (as Robert Malone has) makes him a kook.

One person claiming that he "invented" mRNA vaccines is like one person claiming that he "invented" Claritin, or Blu-Ray.  These products are created by giant megacorps and are developed by dozens, if not hundreds, of people.

Malone promotes himself as an inventor of the mRNA vaccines. I referred to him "one of the guys who invented that technology" but you frame it as the "one person would claim to have "invented" mRNA". hahaha

CF, you seem to be ignoring a point that Fausto made and that Brian kinda separately made in a different way.  And it's a logical fallacy I see you make a lot called "appeal to authority". 

Science isn't "this one scientist".  Science is a process.  What one person says, whether they invented something or not, is not relevant.  They might be right, they might be wrong.  It's a consensus of opinion based on testing the finding of other scientists and determining fact.  It's not just one person's belief.

You can always find one scientist (and probably a credible scientist) who will reject findings based on their own unintentional biases or being unable to control for variables or whatever.  If you have a belief and you're trying to find a scientist to agree with you, you will find it.  But it will be valueless.

I think I've had the same: five in total, all Pfizer, and the last one the dual booster for both the Delta and Omicron strains.

The last one was in May. I still have never tested positive for Covid-19 (touch wood).

Let's spin this back on topic or spin it off. We are miles away from the original poll.

Fair point.  Done.

Hoodie, I moved your last message to the other thread, as you were likely writing it while I was splitting the thread.