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I watched the youtube documentary on them.  At no point did he explicitly tell his supporters to storm the capitol.  

He wasn't indicted (yet) for the riots themselves.

But as part of a larger narrative to overthrow the government, yes.  There are mountains of undisputable evidence.  All of the witnesses are his own people, under oath.  He's on tape admitting to it.

He's dead to rights unless he either taints the jury pool or wins the presidency and uses his power to shut down the trial, by force.

Republicans are so fucking dumb.  Just ditch the guy.  He's a multi-count criminal and has no chance of furthering your cause.  He's going to lose.  But even if he wins, it's pretty much the end of American democracy anyway.

Youtube, Facebook, Instagram, feed you things you want to see.  Affirmation bias based on their algorithms.

I would recommend to seek out "documentary" on contrasting points of view and watch them with an open mind if you actually want to learn about it.

I'm in synchronous orbit with Brian on this one. As soon as you started with "I watched the youtube documentary...", you could have said "and I watched another youtube video that proves that leprechauns are real!!", and it would've seemed equally as validating.

I believe the riot is part of the charges:

A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified ("the certification proceeding"), in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1512(k)

Maybe, but I don't think so.

It's 4 counts and from what I can tell, they are procedural.  I don't know exactly how they'll play it, but he conspired to stop Mike Pence from validating the election.  I guess that could mean that he physically tried to stop it by sending a mob there (which he did), but I thought that it was all the behind the scenes stuff, the fake electors, and all the rest.

It's all related stuff and there's probably more charges to come.

The dude is going down.  This is the most important trial in the history of the country.  If he walks, it's over.

Don't watch a biased documentary, produced by either side. 

Instead watch his entire unedited speech and then ask yourself, "Did he encourage those present to take actions beyond peaceful protest?"  If you are honest with yourself you will concluded that while he may never have exactly uttered the words, "Hang Mike Pence" or "Storm the Capital and vandalize Pelosi's office" He did in fact encourage the audience to do more than engage in peaceful protest and engage in violence to alter the outcome of the election.   

I realize this is denial central for leftists but that's exactly how 50% of the country feels about Biden. I personally don't think either will fall because that's just how our justice system works. Race and sex mean very little compared to the haves and have nots in who can get away with stuff.

Alan Dershowtitz thinks these indictments will fall. According to him it does not meet the "'Nixon standard,' under which the guilt is so evident that even the defendant's political allies — and certainly less sectarian independents—are satisfied that it is fair. That admittedly daunting but entirely appropriate standard has not been met by any of the three indictments currently pending against Trump, who stands tied in recent polls against President Joe Biden."

That "50%" is delusional, and cannot be reasoned with.

For example, "50% of the country feels the other 50% are hoarding kidnapped children to drain their hormones" or "50% of our country feels the climate of our 6000-year-old planet cannot be affected by human activity" are not arguments that can be won with facts.  It is a faith-based belief system, no different than "Christ died on the cross for my salvation so I may enjoy eternal life in Heaven."

CF, I really don't know how to talk to you.  This isn't about left/right belief for me.  There are plenty of shitty politicians.  I don't want them in jail.

Trump tried to overthrow democracy.  I know this because his own people have testified under oath.  I have also heard him speak with his own voice.  These are not conspiracy theories.  This is not the standard political fair of rich people throwing around their influence.  This was a coup on democracy.

If we know what we do, as clearly as we do, with all of the facts, with all of the testimony from his own people and, yet, we do nothing about it, there is no longer an America.  The experiment will have failed, because democracy was overthrown and nothing was done.  We will no longer be a nation of laws.  And if that's what happens, we will deserve it.



This isn't in the same stratosphere as anything to do with accusations against Biden, Obama, Romney, Bush, McCain, DeSantis, Pence....it's not like anything else.  This is the kind of shit dictators do in third world countries.

As for "50% of people believe"....who cares?  That's not how laws work.  If there is credible evidence against politicians, play it out in the justice system, not on cable news.

It's like your brain is so far into a "both-sides" rabbit hole that you can't see what's right in front of you.  Donald Trump tried to overthrow the government right in front of us, on tape, on TV, in the media, on Twitter -- he admits to it.  Wake the fuck up.

My both sides is looking at history. Presidents don't get prosecuted because most of the US believes it is better overall that they do not. I get you guys do not hold the office in high regard but historically most people do.  Trump's a dick and most likely guilty but that's not the point in the whole scheme, of things. January 6th wasn't near the deal you guys are making it. 

As far as Biden blindness and Democrats  ... Dan Bongino pretty much summed it up the other day with this tweet.  "Outside of the bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Private bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter’s business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two business partners saying Joe is the “brand,” the “big guy,” and “the chairman,” the two whistleblowers testimony, the recorded phone calls between Biden and Poroshenko, the video of Joe Biden bragging about firing the Ukrainian prosecutor, and Hunter’s statements that he’s giving his dad half his income, there is NO evidence of Joe Biden being involved.

I don't understand how you can post the following two things simultaneously with no cognitive dissonance:


IN LITERALLY THE NEXT PARAGRAPH:

And I'm sure you don't even recognize it as lying when you say "Presidents shouldn't be prosecuted" at the same time you are advocating a Biden criminal conspiracy.  To you, there is absolutely no contradiction when y'all chant "Lock him up!" about Biden as you insist that prosecuting your political opponents is unseemly weaponization of the federal government.

You simply don't believe that the rules apply to your side.

It's over? What's over? Is the world going to explode or something? You realize this is all smoke and mirrors right. It's all a political reality show. I can't believe you people fall for this stuff.

It would be worth it if he walks for the entertainment value. Just to see all the hardcore liberals frothing at the mouth and going apeshit in the streets. Just like when he was elected. Other than that, it won't make a difference either way. Unless, he walks and then wins the election. Then I'll probably laugh myself to death

I was pointing out the evidence dummy. Me thinking Presidents should get some leeway has nothing to do with the evidence that's already been presented over and over again. You remember when the Trump peeing dossier was true and the Biden laptop wasn't? Yep ... that long. No doubt about it ...  Biden should be impeached at a minimum. Making deals with a foreign country seem like treason to me.

Not "at the most," but rather "at a minimum."
So, Mr. "Presidents Shouldn't Be Prosecuted," what's the next step past impeachment?

Only a dummy would believe your hollow protestations about prosecuting your political opposition.

Please note that if the Biden Administration were prosecuting the Trump family for their business deals in China or with the Saudis, you would be screaming bloody murder.

i'll even spot the conservatives an easy layup by throwing out all the obvious dogwhistling/encouraging that Trump did in terms of riling up the crowd and causing the riot (which he CLEARLY did LIVE on TV.....seriously I watched 10 hours of LIVE, streaming, unedited footage that day and it was as clear as a bell to me).  but we won't even count that evidence!

instead, we'll just use ONE piece of evidence is all you need to nail Trump on this, and that is his taped phone call asking the governor of GA to "drum up" and "find" a few thousand votes.  literally on tape......nail: coffin.  

Do you think it would be "worth it for the entertainment value" to see Trump go to prison?
To see him taken into custody as leftists chant "Lock him up!" outside the courthouse and the MAGA cultists are wailing in impotent rage?

Sure would, the MAGA nuts would be a show to watch also. I'd rather watch the liberal nuts though, they never disappoint in their estrogen filled fits of rage. Either way, I win...

This is an unbelievable!!!  If you look at the political party of the witnesses for the grand jury indictments almost all the witnesses are Republicans.  Wow,  that was true for the Jan 6 committee.  If all the witnesses come from a single party it is likely a political which hunt.  Republicans are really out to get Trump. Odd

It has nothing to do with a witch hunt. Think about it for a second and it makes perfect sense. Who would be closest to Trump to know the secrets? Common sense tells you he isn't going to be having those conversations with Democrats.  The only people who would know anything worthwhile to testify about would be people he had close to him.

You need to replace the batteries in your sarcasm/satire detector.

My point was all the evidence against Trump is coming from Trump loyalists not some invention of the democrats.

My bad. I missed it because I thought someone else posted it. Your sarcasm was lost because I thought it was someone I could actually believe was serious. Knowing it was you, I get it now.

That is the sad part.  People actually do thinl this is as political rather than criminal.

I have absolutely nothing invested in all of this, apart from being a casual outside observer who happens to live in a genuinely democratic and free democracy (who in the last election gave a huge middle finger salute to the Rupert Murdoch owned media, and the fraud of a Government they pushed), and I can say without conviction...

If you see that Trump did nothing to inspire his followers to storm the capitol building and overthrow the natural course of a genuine democracy... it's because you choose not to do so. Seriously guys, wake the fuck up. He doesn't give a shit about any of you, it's a pure power trip to save his own ass and rule over you, and basically everyone else.

Oh, and yes, Trump should be indicted. He asked (on camera) for his followers to march right up to the capitol building. He asked them to hold Pence to account for not doing what he wanted (including as it turned out, possibly a public hanging?) He sat and waited, and did nothing on the chance that it was successful.

Part of me really wants his ass dragged up on to the stand to be asked, when his followers were combing the Capitol Building calling for Nancy, did he seriously want them to execute her? Ask him that. Did you want a woman doing her job to be dragged out and shot to save your corrupt, fat evil, lying ass? Give me that and then I will believe your country is the land of true freedom and democracy.