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Title: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Dave Gray on November 18, 2024, 08:54:49 am People hate on this tradition, but those people can kiss my beanbag. I think it's cool and I'm proud of our history.
Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Pappy13 on November 18, 2024, 12:25:47 pm Unfortunately I think it's sad that we are still living in the past. That just proves the Dolphins haven't done anything of note in the last 20 years which is a shame.
Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Phishfan on November 18, 2024, 01:10:08 pm Kiss a beanbag Pappy (I have never heard that).
This is about a record and has nothing to do with other Miami Dolphins seasons. It isn't like I actively celebrate this but I enjoy seeing it happen each year. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Dave Gray on November 18, 2024, 01:35:05 pm I don't feel like it's living in the past at all. I wasn't even close to born when it happened, but it's a celebration of our history and it's tradition, like throwing rats on the ice or whatever other fun quirk a team has to calls back to an earlier time.
Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 18, 2024, 03:12:31 pm Unfortunately I think it's sad that we are still living in the past. That just proves the Dolphins haven't done anything of note in the last 20 years which is a shame. 20 years? It's been 50 years since the Dolphins won a Superbowl. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Pappy13 on November 18, 2024, 03:56:00 pm 20 years? It's been 50 years since the Dolphins won a Superbowl. Well at least the Dolphins won a few playoff games and made it to a Superbowl when Marino was around. I wasn't a fan in '72 or '73.Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: masterfins on November 18, 2024, 10:32:24 pm After 50 years this doesn't have much meaning for me. With the longer season and extended playoffs, it's like comparing apples to oranges.
Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 19, 2024, 01:11:50 pm I don't feel like it's living in the past at all. I wasn't even close to born when it happened, but it's a celebration of our history and it's tradition, like throwing rats on the ice or whatever other fun quirk a team has to calls back to an earlier time. I feel the Dolphins should celebrate the season, but I think the chosen method is crappy. Celebrating another teams loss is NOT celebrating the accomplishment. If I ran the Dolphins every 10 years I would host a huge reunion, have the throwback uniforms be the 72 uniforms, have 72 players be the ones announcing draft picks etc. Missed a great opportunity in 2022, not gonna be as many for 2032 or 2042 the guys are getting old. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Sibster on November 19, 2024, 01:17:37 pm Are any of the players left to actually celebrate? I know Csonka, Griese, and Little are still around but that's all I can think of.
Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Denver2 on November 19, 2024, 02:28:55 pm We are cursed because of the 72 season and the back to backs
Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Dave Gray on November 19, 2024, 03:10:23 pm We still celebrate July 4th even thought the founders are dead. It's a celebration of team culture.
Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Downunder Dolphan on November 19, 2024, 09:40:15 pm Are any of the players left to actually celebrate? I know Csonka Griese, and Little are still around but that's all I can think of. It sounded like Csonka was going to drink glasses for Shula, Buoniconti, and the others who had passed away... I'm guessing he had a fair headache the next morning! https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/larry-csonka-sees-similarities-between-9-0-chiefs-and-his-1972-undefeated-dolphins-team/ Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Downunder Dolphan on November 19, 2024, 09:58:43 pm I feel the Dolphins should celebrate the season, but I think the chosen method is crappy. Celebrating another teams loss is NOT celebrating the accomplishment. If I ran the Dolphins every 10 years I would host a huge reunion, have the throwback uniforms be the 72 uniforms, have 72 players be the ones announcing draft picks etc. Missed a great opportunity in 2022, not gonna be as many for 2032 or 2042 the guys are getting old. In some regards I don't mind them celebrating that amazing season when this happens, as it gives them a little spotlight every year - as you said, a lot of them are getting old (Csonka is 78 this year) and I don't think there will be many left for 2032 (let alone 2042). What I don't like is when they say they are rooting for a team to lose so their achievement stays unique - it's petty, and I have no doubt it's generated a lot of the talk that tries to belittle what they did, which is horribly misguided. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/chiefs-unbeaten-no-more-1972-dolphins-celebrate-another-year-of-being-the-only-perfect-team-in-nfl-history/ Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Phishfan on November 19, 2024, 10:34:19 pm What crybabies. Each and every one of us roots for and against teams every week. Let's not pretend that we don't.
Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Downunder Dolphan on November 20, 2024, 06:53:03 am What crybabies. Each and every one of us roots for and against teams every week. Let's not pretend that we don't. With this... they don't need a team to lose to achieve immortality. They have done it. There's no need to rub it in. If there's one thing in the world that people hate more than sore losers.. it's sore winners. So they should toast themselves on what they achieved. They deserved it, and it was, and still is a huge achievement. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Downunder Dolphan on November 20, 2024, 07:52:23 am What crybabies. Each and every one of us roots for and against teams every week. Let's not pretend that we don't. Ps. an undefeated season is something they achieved as a team, and as an ever shrinking group of participants. As supporters we can be proud of them, absorb the afterglow.. but we are just along for the ride. Along with everyone else who supports, or who hates our team. Calling supporters crybabys is not a good thing. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Dave Gray on November 20, 2024, 08:57:04 am I understand your opinion, DD, but I just want to be on record that I don't share it at all.
I'm 180 degrees. I root against teams (and players) often more so than I root for teams. It's a core aspect of the way I realize my fandom. And of course none of the things we cheer for are our specific achievements. I don't see how this is any different that cheering for a team win that we, as fans, had nothing to do with either. It's just part of the tribalism that is sports. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 21, 2024, 09:25:55 am I root against teams (and players) often more so than I root for teams. I root against teams too. But I don't confuse the Yankees losing the World Series with the Red Sox winning the World Series. The Dolphin fan base to a much greater extent than other fan bases seems to have lost the distinction. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Spider-Dan on November 21, 2024, 12:07:48 pm I root against teams too. But I don't confuse the Yankees losing the World Series with the Red Sox winning the World Series. The Dolphin fan base to a much greater extent than other fan bases seems to have lost the distinction. I think your perspective would suddenly become a lot more sympathetic if the Steelers were playing in February, potentially about to win an NFL-record 7th Super Bowl (and leaving the Patriots behind).Dolphin fans aren't just randomly rooting against teams because we like to revel in others' losses. There's a specific achievement unique to the Dolphins that we want to preserve. It's no different than Chicago Bulls fans rooting against the 73-9 Golden State Warriors. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 22, 2024, 09:24:18 am I think your perspective would suddenly become a lot more sympathetic if the Steelers were playing in February, potentially about to win an NFL-record 7th Super Bowl (and leaving the Patriots behind). You are wrong. Of the potential match-ups, I would be rooting for the Steelers at least 25% of the time. I want the NEP to win more sb, but i really don't care if the steelers get another. While I do root against the steelers somewhat often, it isn't about nep getting 7 first but rather it is because my bil is a steelers fan. I am sure there are some nep fans that think that way, but as I said no fan base confuses other teams loses as there own teams wins to the extent dolphin fans do. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Pappy13 on November 29, 2024, 10:37:32 am I'm with Hoodie on this. I rarely root for a team to lose. I've never said F the Jets in my life and think the whole concept is stupid. I don't celebrate when the last undefeated team loses. I honestly couldn't care less about what the rest of the NFL does, all I really care about is what Miami does and I've been disappointed for a long time.
Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Downunder Dolphan on November 30, 2024, 04:40:38 am I honestly couldn't care less about what the rest of the NFL does, all I really care about is what Miami does and I've been disappointed for a long time. Ain't that the truth! This forum is called "The Dolphins make me cry" for a good reason, and it's participants know it full well. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Denver2 on November 30, 2024, 03:18:57 pm Ain't that the truth! This forum is called "The Dolphins make me cry" for a good reason, and it's participants know it full well. We are a cursed sports franchise In convinced Shula sold his soul to Hungarian devil for 72-73 But this whole thing made me thing and realize that the last time a warm weather AFC team won the Super Bowl was Oakland in the 70s and I don’t think that trend is getting bucked any time soon Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Downunder Dolphan on November 30, 2024, 11:40:08 pm But this whole thing made me thing and realize that the last time a warm weather AFC team won the Super Bowl was Oakland in the 70s and I don’t think that trend is getting bucked any time soon On the NFC side of the ledger, Tampa Bay and San Francisco have managed to do okay as warm weather teams. An AFC warm weather team really should be able to buck the trend... if the organization and team are good enough. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Spider-Dan on December 01, 2024, 01:05:19 am Indianapolis won as a dome team, as did New Orleans. The Rams have won as a dome team in St. Louis and a warm weather team in LA.
The majority of NFL teams are from cold-weather cities (especially if you aren't disqualifying the cold weather teams that play in domes), so I think it's less an issue of "Can warm weather teams win in the playoffs?" and more "Is it more likely that key personnel wind up in cold weather cities?" I wouldn't think it necessary to remind the members of a Miami Dolphins forum, but the head coach with the most wins in NFL history coached a warm-weather team, which also happened to be the franchise with the best winning percentage in the 20th century. DAL and SF, two more warm weather teams, were two of the most successful teams of the 20th century. So maybe weather isn't as big of a deal as people think. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Phishfan on December 01, 2024, 08:57:11 am Spider would know better because I haven't been there but in my head Oakland and San Francisco aren't warm weather cities. They don't fall into cold weather either. I consider them something else in the middle.
Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Denver2 on December 01, 2024, 07:44:12 pm Indianapolis won as a dome team, as did New Orleans. The Rams have won as a dome team in St. Louis and a warm weather team in LA. The majority of NFL teams are from cold-weather cities (especially if you aren't disqualifying the cold weather teams that play in domes), so I think it's less an issue of "Can warm weather teams win in the playoffs?" and more "Is it more likely that key personnel wind up in cold weather cities?" I wouldn't think it necessary to remind the members of a Miami Dolphins forum, but the head coach with the most wins in NFL history coached a warm-weather team, which also happened to be the franchise with the best winning percentage in the 20th century. DAL and SF, two more warm weather teams, were two of the most successful teams of the 20th century. So maybe weather isn't as big of a deal as people think. Dome is an exception and Indy was a one off regardless Tampa and NOLA are NfC which I qualified as warm weather AFC team Yeah Shula is the BOAT but he also didn’t win a superbowl since the 70s Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Denver2 on December 01, 2024, 07:45:59 pm On the NFC side of the ledger, Tampa Bay and San Francisco have managed to do okay as warm weather teams. An AFC warm weather team really should be able to buck the trend... if the organization and team are good enough. Tampa is NFC and had a couple SF an Oakland are warmish but not warm like Miami is and it’s been a long time since the glory days of SF or Dallas but again they are NFC there has been some warm weather NFC success but zilch for AFC since Miami and Oakland in the 70s and Indy as a cold weather dome with a hall of fame quarterback don’t count Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Denver2 on December 01, 2024, 07:47:04 pm Spider would know better because I haven't been there but in my head Oakland and San Francisco aren't warm weather cities. They don't fall into cold weather either. I consider them something else in the middle. Like Mark Twain said the coldest winter of his life was summer in SF Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Spider-Dan on December 01, 2024, 08:54:21 pm SF proper is basically between 55 and 75 year-round. (note: the 49ers play in Santa Clara, which is legitimately hot)
But the real substance of the "can't play in the cold" criticism is not about the Dolphins playing in cool weather, right? Nobody cares if MIA wins a 48 degree game at MetLife (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202311240nyj.htm) or a 53 degree game in Maryland (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202312030was.htm). We're really talking about sub-40 degree games, and Joe Montana was not playing sub-40 degree home games in SF. Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Denver2 on December 01, 2024, 09:06:16 pm SF proper is basically between 55 and 75 year-round. (note: the 49ers play in Santa Clara, which is legitimately hot) But the real substance of the "can't play in the cold" criticism is not about the Dolphins playing in cool weather, right? Nobody cares if MIA wins a 48 degree game at MetLife (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202311240nyj.htm) or a 53 degree game in Maryland (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202312030was.htm). We're really talking about sub-40 degree games, and Joe Montana was not playing sub-40 degree home games in SF. If Miami was in the AFC South where we geographically belong I guarantee we’d have more playoff wins Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Spider-Dan on December 01, 2024, 11:07:25 pm Yes, because the Dolphins would have more division titles (e.g. 2016 and 2023), and every team plays better at home than on the road.
It's tough to win playoff games on the road! BAL has won one road playoff game in the last decade. Josh Allen has yet to win a road playoff game in his career! Title: Re: Congrats 1972 Dolphins! Post by: Denver2 on December 01, 2024, 11:20:52 pm Yes, because the Dolphins would have more division titles (e.g. 2016 and 2023), and every team plays better at home than on the road. It's tough to win playoff games on the road! BAL has won one road playoff game in the last decade. Josh Allen has yet to win a road playoff game in his career! Is 84 the last time Miami was 1 seed? |