The Dolphins Make Me Cry.com - Forums

In my lifetime I have seen the extreme or progressive left takeover the party and it barely resembles the party I grew up with. According to CNN polling Democrats have never felt worse about their party. "Among the American public overall, the Democratic Party’s favorability rating stands at just 29% – a record low in CNN’s polling dating back to 1992 and a drop of 20 points since January 2021." Some think they should do everything to stop Republicans at any cost and and another dynamic wants Dems to abandon their extreme views. AOC was the highest Dem in a recent poll by CNN but she only garnered about 10 percent. Top Democrat supporter John Morgan is starting his own political party after warning Dems to abandon the extreme political correctness the party is now aligned with. I have to wonder if the RINOs in Florida that he is financing will go with him too. Either way, I have to think we are headed for a new day in politics in the not so different future.

...and then your alarm clock went off and the dream had to end...

The Democratic party isn't falling apart because it's moved so far from what you know.  You have it backwards.  It hasn't progressed to where its constituents are.  Nobody hates the Democratic party like Democrats.  Right now, the leadership is governing like it's a fight against Mitt Romney and the constituents want a fight against what they perceive as tyranny.

If there is a change, it will be from the left, like a Tea Party movement, but for progressives.


We are definitely heading for a new day in politics.  I don't expect that you realize it, but Trump is actively tying to destroy American democracy.  The best thing to save us it Trump himself -- that he gets too old or tired to take on the fight to stay in power.  Short of that, it's for revolt with the full force of the Democratic party plus whatever old-school Republicans might be left, but with what we're seeing out of both parties, that doesn't seem likely.

In short, Dems are pissed that old farts like Schumer have no fight in them and are trying to put a band-aid on an axe wound.

^^^Those same CNN polls from last week show Trump at an all time high. Everyone knows those polls sway largely to the left so saying the DEm are at a low and Trump is at a high should be concerning. In my opinion you are the ones who are still missing the big picture of what is going on and that's ok with me. Trump won every single swing state. That's a statement in itself. Failure to recognize it isn't working as it is just means the Democratic party will continue to lose even more. Obviously MSM is still doing the same thing and continues to drop in ratings.

No one addressed the John Morgan thing. He's literally one of the biggest donors of the DNC and is taking people with him. They guy has literally hosted both the Clintons and Obama in his house here in Lake Mary many times. He openly turned his back on Kamala when they pushed her into the spotlight and is now starting a new political party because of it. Considering the GOP is still rising in numbers since the last election that doesn't seem to bode well for the DNC in my opinion. I mean you guys elected David freaking Hogg to Vice Chair of the Democratic National Committee. Might as well of elected the first person in Walmart ... hahaha. His only accomplishment is going to a school where a mass shooting occurred and is now leading the DNC. This should go over well.

it's a bit sad that trump's all time high is 47% approval .. seems a bit low for an all time high.

You didn't think this when Trump lost every swing state 5 years ago.
In fact, y'all just said "The election was stolen" and tried to overthrow the government.

Overthrow the government? Hahahaha ... I guess when Democrats stormed the Capitol building and the Supreme Court building and disrupted the Judge Kavanaugh hearings it was liberals trying to overthrow the government too?  I can assure you if any conservative effort arrose to  storm the Capital and "overthrow the government" it would have included many guns and bombs. I mean we literally blow stuff up on July 4th just because ... hahahaha.  I'm not saying there weren't some idiots involved but most of them were protesters turned sightseers being directed by security and police on where and what they could touch. Worst insurrection ever! Hahaha

I agree but ratings are not the whole story. Obama maxed out in the 60s but his overall rating was less than 49%. Both Bushes and Bill Clinton were higher.

For the record ... I think the GOP is fractured too because of Trump MAGA but in the end it seems like they are willing to work together. Trump worship is almost as bad a Trump Derangement Syndrome. If anyone in the party disagrees with anything, they tend to get attacked from within.

CF, it's honestly amazing that you think anyone outside of the Fox bubble buys that "peaceful sightseers" nonsense.  We all saw it live!  There is a mountain of video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NKj13szwuw&t=199s) from that day.

Furthermore, they were there specifically to overthrow the government!  There is no other way to describe the goal of "Prevent Congress from certifying Joe Biden as president."

So what you're interpretation is that over 77 million people were fearful of this horrible act of treason but chose to vote for the guy who orchestrated it to happen? If we were being honest .... wouldn't it makes more sense that a lot of people just don't see it the way you and perpetual ratings loser MSNBC does?

It's incredible that I have to say this, but reality is not up for a vote.  For example, Bush winning the 2004 election did not "prove" that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
The January 6th insurrectionists were specifically and explicitly at the Capitol to prevent Joe Biden from being certified as the winner of the 2020 election.  That is an attempt to overthrow the government.  Period.

And to answer your question: 77 million of your fellow travelers were not "fearful of this horrible act of treason."  They were cheering it on, because y'all have no values beyond consolidating power at any cost.  This is why you, a moral Christian, constantly defend a thrice-married serial adulterer who brags about sexually assaulting women, openly lusts after his own daughter, and pays off porn stars he cheated on his pregnant wife with: he wins elections, which is all you care about.  You have lost whatever sense of morality you once had, so January 6th was never a big deal to you.  It was just another instance of your guy trying to win, and winning is all that matters to y'all now.

Agreed: y'all don't see an attempt to overthrow the government as "something bad" because it's your team doing it.
But at the same time, you expect everyone else to see (for example) looters and arsonists during the George Floyd protests as even worse than January 6th (which actually wasn't bad at all?), despite the fact that the left agrees with the arrest/prosecution/conviction of those criminals, while you support and defend Trump's pardon of the violent insurrectionists from January 6th.

The Democratic Party is on its last legs.  They are a party full of social outcasts.   Their party is made up of a bunch of mentally ill folks, drama queens, communists, feminists, social justice warriors and grifters.  They only seemed like a legit party because USAID was funding their operations.   Now USAID is dead in the water.

They fucked around and now they're gonna find out.

Again, as someone from the other side of the world who saw all of this this stuff... there are no shades of grey in this.

They filmed it themselves for Christ's sake. People (genuinely) defending the Capitol were killed in this attempt to overthrow a genuinely democratic vote.

How is any of this acceptable in a nation that thinks itself as the cradle of democracy?

You're parroting his speech.  What fucking loser behavior.

I was going to say this is quite possibly the dumbest thing you've ever posted, but in reality it may be the most stupid thing I've ever read on TDMMC and that says a whole lot.

I imagine CF believes you are also "caught up in the mainstream narrative" that somehow extends to Australia.

Perhaps it's a global mainstream narrative and the entire planet is lying about Trump!
Well, maybe not the entire planet... there are still a few clear-eyed outposts of rational thought, like Hungary, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Israel, etc.

One more thing about the idiotic "they were just sightseers" delusion: the Capitol was closed for all tours on January 6th (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/15/politics/tours-memo-capitol/index.html).  Claiming they were "peaceful sightseers" is like walking in behind looters that break into a closed store so you can do some peaceful window shopping.

Spoken like a true liberal who is on the losing end of an argument with a conservative.

I couldn't care less what you think.

(http://viperbeam.com/forum/rent_free.jpg)

I don't think they're on their last legs. I do think that it's a bad time for them, but if there's a recession - they'll come back. This is why Schumer caved on the CR recently - he didn't want to "own" it if there had been a combined shutdown in the government/slowdown in the economy.

 The pendulum of American politics swings back and forth. This will too.

For my part, it's good to see the conservatives get a spine and work hard to wipe away all the excrescence that the Clinton/Obama/Biden years caused. It's nice to see a resurgence of traditional morality on the internet in the wake of the ridiculous new atheism (and its child, idiotic wokeism) years. It's great to see people get involved in civics generally, whereas before they expected some empty suit to just do the job for them.

But that's just my .02, I know people here definitely disagree strenuously. We will see what happens!

I agree with this statement 100%.   But on the other hand, if Trump can get the economy back to what it was pre-pandemic, then you might as well pencil Vance in as president in 2028.

You see what they want you to see. there is a ton of evidence to the contrary. https://youtu.be/Opy7MLGAPBk?si=uV-MK-KAXunFQRZY

The MSM is bought and paid for by Big Pharma and others. There is a reason why X and others have gotten so popular and alos why politicians on both sides want to make it illegal for them to advertise on networks. The American people are now seeing it too with many liberals jumping ship after being enlightened. Of course there will always be people who refuse to see it but they also are supporting mandating electric cars one week and then burning them the next because MSM told them too. Not much of free thinkers.

Is a fact regardless. Not sure why it gets you so upset. Oh I'm sorry  ... they are up 10% this week bringing them to less than 40% of what FOX News is bringing in and 55% of what FOX itself is doing. They are on a roll now. Look out TNT!! That certainly isn't a hill you'd want to die on if you ask me.

Yes ... if a person is looking for even moderate backup in this place they are definitely lost and need to go elsewhere. hahaha

I know what you're saying and I don't disagree to an extent but this time seems different. I don't know what unites the people who recently left for the same reasons others have been doing for the past 15 years or so. Like Morgan, he is far from joining ranks with the Republicans but I think there is a pace for he, RFK Jr and others. I don't see them sticking with Republicans but I don't see them going back either.

If security and managers were escorting them then it would be true.

Trump will have a hard time doing that before the mid terms. His moves will take some time to pan out. I also don't think Vance is a shoe-in. Trump even refused to back him as the next president. It wouldn't kill me if he were but there are others like Rubio, DeSantis, DT Jr and others who are making names for themselves. It's hard for the VP to be too much out front as he is basically relegated to backup although he does kill it in his interviews.

If you were on Capitol grounds on January 6th and you didn't work there, you were breaking the law.

Funny when the "law and order" types mysteriously stop caring about criminal activity, especially from the same people who think motorists should be able to legally run over and kill protesters blocking roadways.

This is because Trump intends to illegally remain in office for another term, as he has repeatedly stated.

This is the part where Trump supporters engage in their normal dance of "Of course he doesn't really want to do that, he's a funny jokester" followed by the inevitable pivot to "Well of course he can do that, you have Trump Derangement Syndrome if you think he can't" when he actually tries it.

The Democrats are an old, old party. I don't see them going anywhere.

After the Obama election, I recall seeing Maddow get on TV and triumphally declare that the Republicans had entirely lost the culture and that they may become a "regional" party, whereas at the national level it would simply become a choice between more conservative and more liberal democrats.

And 17 years later, here we are, in a second Donald Trump (?!) term. So we will see.

I am so disheartened.

I don't think that I'm going to chance anyone's minds, but I see people have fallen into a fascist, authoritarian rabbit-hole.  When people look at Hitler and say "how did people let this happen?"  This is how.

You're doing it right now.  You will deny and blame and gaslight, just like Germans did in the 1930s.

All of the signs are there.  Trump is dismantling American Democracy.  He may lose interest or die before we are in camps, but we are on the path.  He is attacking the media, the rule of law, democracy, institutions, norms, truth, defying balance of power, skipping due process.

You are going along with it.

He is testing these things with easy targets now: free speech of assholes, potential gang members, the poor and powerless.  But it will expand to more things.

And you will go along with that, too, because you are brainwashed.  He has you convinced that our allies are our enemies.  You has convinced you that all of the financial principles you have believed and now backwards.  He has you against free trade, for tariffs, for attacking free speech -- and he has you blaming his detractors for exactly the thing he is doing.

I don't say it to change you; I'm just saying it so that it's said.


And when and if this is carried out, there will be no "I told you so."   You will never reflect and realize that you brought about the fascism.  You will continue to deny and reframe and think it was caused by something else.  But if we live through it and come out on the other side, your kids will know.

If you think tariffs mean he's against free trade and that Republicans are against free speech, I don't know what to do with that at all. You obviously are not paying attention. Sometimes I do hear certain people say stupid stuff but most people overlook their idiot comments. Everyday people are begging Elon to censor ridiculous views like Kanye and yet he allows them to post as long as they do not break any rules. that is the general rule for conservatives.  The problem is liberals add stupid stuff to legal things and act like its free speech. There is nothing about wearing didlos and g strings to read to kids that is free speech. If you want to do it then do it away from kids. The same with protesting. Protest all you want but do not destroy anything private or public. It's pretty simple but people are complaining because they are getting in trouble for firebombing and or keying Teslas.  They are not the same.

What's funny to me is this is coming from people who were, or at least wanting to, lock people up, or have them fired for not taking the shot. They also wanted them to be barred from public as well as other outlandish things like kept from hospitals etc. Trump isn't restricting anyone who is not illegal.  Every president from Obama forward talked about reducing government waste including ridding of wasteful arms of the government. The insiders have stopped them all from doing so. Now we have Trump and Musk who both have this IDGAF attitude and are finding corruption. The 8 years of persecution against Trump has created the worst case scenario for the people who were doing it and Musk isn't motivated by money. He's solely interested in making things better. Now suddenly, finding corruption is wrong or an overreach. People are literally mad at the people finding the corruption and taking up for the thieves doing so. It's just so bizarro. Trump is the only person who could have liberals go from forcing mandates for electric vehicles to save the environment to them now wanting to destroy them and screw the environment. Hahahah. The hypocrisy is beyond parody.

No offense but conservatives boycotted things while liberals feel they have to destroy people. The good thing, and the most glaring hole in your story, is conservatives are the only ones to call government out when they over step. The rest of you fall in line as long as your media is telling you to. No one is persecuting any of you but yet you are screaming and kicking like you're losing something. You've lost nothing under Trump. Hell, gas is even going down and so is eggs.

I'll give you the breaking the law like trespassing or possibly breaking and entering at the worst. I'm just saying they weren't trying to overthrow the government. It does not help your point to exaggerate things. Maybe a few thought that but they are idiots and it wasn't very many as videos have shown. I get it ... not the videos the committee showed on MSM but plenty of others. Kind of odd that all that testimony from behind closed doors was conveniently destroyed, don't you think?  There are government people who testified that what they told the committee never made it into the report.  If we had the evidence, that any other case keeps, we would be able to verify it.

The Trump Administration just revoked the legally-acquired green card of a pro-Palestinian student activist, had him arrested (https://apnews.com/article/columbia-university-mahmoud-khalil-ice-15014bcbb921f21a9f704d5acdcae7a8), and is in the process of deporting him, all because he protested against Israel's ongoing murder spree in Gaza.

Conservatives' idea of "free speech" always and only ever applies to speech they approve of.  When it's speech you DON'T approve of, it's "terrorism," it's "grooming," it's whatever excuse you need to ban books and arrest people.  Conservatives are only in favor of free speech for Nazis, white supremacists, and other bigots; you know, speech they hypothetically "disagree with" (as opposed to the speech they actually disagree with).

Absolutely, for exactly the same reasons that people get thrown out, fired, and/or arrested if they insist on smoking in public buildings or on a flight.  It's the EXACT same logic.

LITERALLY THE SAME THING
You just whine and moan like little babies when it's done to you!

Again, they were expressly and specifically at the Capitol that day in an effort to prevent Biden's certification as president: an illegal act.
That is an attempt to overthrow the democratically-elected Biden Administration.  Open and shut.

Who doesn't whine and moan when something is done to them that they don't like.  The difference is, if conservatives don't like something, they don't get involved with it.   If liberals don't like something, they try to ban it for everyone.



Those names, along with racist, Christian Nationalist, homophobe, Islamophobe, misogynist, etc.... have absolutely no power today because they all mean the same thing: 
A tactic liberals use when they're on the losing end of an argument.

At best, you come off as someone being paid to destroy America. It's useless to try and get you to see anything any different than your extremist position. I dare say many, if not most, liberals do not see things like you do and is why they are trying to start a new political group. As Senator Kennedy said yesterday theu have a secret plan to destroy the Democrats. It's called ... Operation Let them Speak! hahha 

I honestly don't know if you understand what's going on and don't care, or if you are genuinely ignorant because of how you ingest information.  I'm gonna give you guys (except tommy, he's a moron) the benefit of the doubt that you're being fed a shit sandwich and are repeatedly told it's actually post-processed ham and now you believe it.

My biggest problem is that these deportation flights to El Salvador violate the 5th amendment, no due process is given to anyone. An ICE agent (already not the best and brightest) has sole discretion to claim (without proof) that someone is a terrorist based on a tattoo (protected speech) and then puts them onto a plane to a country, stuck into a supermax prison known for torture and slavery without any recourse. No appeals, no judgements, no day in court. This is full on Gestapo behavior.

They've done this to "illegals", they've done this to legal immigrants, they've done this to US citizens they just held a German green card holder (in no way illegal) in such conditions that he had to be rushed to a hospital when he collapsed after 4 days in ICE custody.

It's to the point where EU nations are issuing travel alerts for the united states. Legal permanent residents here, people with green cards are being advised to not travel via airplane, or to leave the country, because there is no due process when dealing with a situation where one asshole ICE agent can unilaterally sell you into slavery to el salvador without legal recourse. Cause as the administration has said publicly, once the plane's out of the US "oopsie, too late".

yep, like abortion, gay marriage, trans people, or legal weed. They don't get involved with those things at all.

Abortion???

Will we get to say "we told you so" when it inevitably doesn't happen? Will you be open to that?

What is "it" in this context?  What's the specific event we're looking for?

It obviously can't be January 6th, nor can it be immigrants being shipped overseas to the base we use for torturing people or detainees being shipped to an overseas prison indefinitely with no trial.  So what's the one event that we're waiting on that enables a "We told you so" if it doesn't occur?

you can call it a prison i guess .. i'm going to call it a retreat .. maybe a camp where these immigrants can be concentrated .. that's the ticket

I don't know where you get the idea that Trump is another Hitler.  Y'all need to quit being so paranoid.   None of that is going to happen.  The people who are getting deported are violent criminals, MS-13 members, yada yada yada who are here illegally.   If anything, Trump and Musk are finding boatloads of money that was being wasted on bullshit government programs or going as social security payments to people who have been dead for five decades.   

Quit listening to your mainstream media.

At the end of the day, the truth really doesn't matter for people who are extreme as they leave no room to be wrong. All of us have our perspective and from where we sit the other side looks bat shit crazy. Every since Obama the left has been dominated by the far left. Every since Trump the right has been dominated by the MAGA extreme. Gone are the days of the Clintons and Bushes. Even farther gone is the day of Reagan  who won every state but Minnesota his second term. Mondale won that by 0.18% so it was pretty close to a clean sweep. Now it's either or for people.

The people who were all "deep state biden" are the same that just buy into whatever they are told by the rich corporate media like foxnews, newsmax or oann. There is no PROOF these people were even gang members, and even if they were,  we (used to) live in a country of laws and due process. There's no due process when law enforcement can ship you off to a 3rd country without you getting your day in court.

They aren't even citizens of el salvador but they are getting sent there instead of the country they are from. Is that how deportation works? take a mexican person and ship them to a work camp in north korea ?

and DOGE finding money that was "wasted on bullshit government programs" the executive doesn't have the right to just turn off the spigot. People really should have paid more attention to schoolhouse rock in the 80s.  BILLS get passed by congress, they're the legislature, as in they MAKE the laws. The president is the executive, as in he carries out the laws. If you have a problem with bullshit spending, then PASS A FUCKING LAW in congress that changes it. The republicans control both houses of congress, and the presidency. Don't tell me they can't. Don't just have some lazy bullshit where a rando come in and starts messing with the treasury without knowing who does what or what responsibilities are. Like firing the team that oversees nuclear safety and then rushing around to re-hire them. That's clown car amateur hour bullshit.

One of my concerns is that how the country is being run will see us push the next Einstein or Hawking to flee to europe or asia rather than stay in the US. Countries are salivating at the possibility of taking our best scientific minds away by offering them a much more friendly atmosphere for academia.

^^^ I'm already watching mainly European news outlets anyway(UK, Canada, NATO members)....and I can tell you with certainty, that Europe (minus Don's buddy, Russia) Thinks that the American government has lost it's mind.

As we speak, immigrants are being shipped to the offshore base we used for torturing people.

Another lie.  As I cited earlier (https://apnews.com/article/columbia-university-mahmoud-khalil-ice-15014bcbb921f21a9f704d5acdcae7a8), the Trump Administration just snatched up a student activist with legal permanent resident (green card) status, cancelled his green card, and is in the process of deporting him.  Let me guess: protesting Israel means he must be a "Hamas-aligned terrorist" and therefore has no legal rights.

And that's the difference: when we call the right "Nazis," we are not proposing that they be snatched up and disappeared into offshore gulags with no legal recourse.
Yet when y'all call your political opponents "terrorists," you support Nazi solutions to deal with them.  Literal Gestapo tactics.

Perhaps you should tell this to the guy who started this thread complaining about "the extreme left controlling the Democrats," yet votes for Trump at every opportunity and is a serial Trump apologist time and time again, no matter what he does.

You don't actually believe MAGA is extreme.  This is just more song-and-dance so you can try to convince yourself that you are the reasonable moderate.

You want to call us Nazis and a party of hate?  Have I got news for you, son.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AHBwa36d2/?mibextid=D5vuiz

^^^ Just a suggestion... If you really want anyone with an opposing viewpoint to actually click on a random link (like yours there), try being a little more descriptive with it. Like possibly a short synopsis of why you're not with a party of hate, you know, to try to entice folks into exposing themselves to whatever propaganda useful and informative nugget o' news is lying in wait at the other end of that link.

That link is just more of the same old "Did you know that racists of the past were Democrats (up until Democrats passed the Civil Rights Act, then the racists switched to the Republican Party in response)?" trope.

^^^ I know...I was just chop-busting for not even trying to disguise or sell that  link.

The Democrats passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is a complete myth.   While both the House and Senate had a Democratic majority, there was a LOT of Democratic opposition to it.   Way more than Republican.   

In the House, the bill passed with a vote of 285-126.  Out of those 126 Congressmen voting against it, 107 were Democrat.

In the Senate, the bill passed with with a vote of 72-18.  Of the 18 Senators who voted against it, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM was a Democrat.   Your party has always had the look of a narcissist who feels the need to control everything and everyone and throws a fit like a toddler when they don't get their way.   

Another perfect example:  Conservatives hated Bud Light and Target associating with the LGBTQ community and simply boycotted them and caused them to lose billions in revenue.   Liberals hate Elon Musk, so they are going and setting the cars he invented on fire.   And to think last year, they were pushing to make electric vehicles mandatory.

Democrats controlled Congress and the White House, so they get credit for bills that pass.  That's how it works.
And as I just said, there were many racists in the Democratic Party, who did indeed vote against the CRA; after it passed, they left the Democratic Party (ultimately landing in the Republican Party).  So I'm not sure what your point is here.

When Democrats were upset about losing the 2016 election, they marched while wearing pussy hats.
When Republicans were upset about losing the 2020 election, they sent a violent mob to take over the Capitol and prevent Biden from being certified as President, by force.

Spare me the tales of noble conservative restraint.

Oh they did a helluva lot more than march.  They started a massive fear campaign which led to a pandemic when the shutdowns were completely unnecessary.  Then they started violent protests in a bunch of cities across the U.S. over the summer.  All this was to make Trump look bad.  Then despite all that, it took some rigging in certain states for them to win the 2020 election.   So don't give me that shit. 

I absolutely do fight against extreme MAGA. Not everyone who supports MAGA are brainwashed to follow anything Trump says or does.  FYI ... Extreme MAGA hates Ron DeSantis while most of us Republicans will vote for whomever Ron backs. The extreme side of MAGA is very ugly even amongst others who support MAGA. The extreme side thinks anything Trump does is right whether conservative or not. They are far from being the majority of the party.  People like me call him and them out on his stupid things like calling for Thomas Massie's head when all he did was refuse to vote for a bill raising the debt. That's absolutely counter to being a conservative. that part of MAGA expects people's complete and utter surrender to whatever Trump says. In the State of Florida there is going to be a huge battle between Trump backed Byron Donalds and whomever DeSantis supports. Extreme MAGA spends a lot of time trying to pretend DeSantis hasn't been the biggest supporter of Trump's policies than anyone else. They think he needs to get behind Donalds because Trump said so. It isn't ever going to happen as Donalds is in bed with Trulieve lobbyist Suzy Wiles (whom DeSantis fired for being unloyal), Trulieve, and Big Sugar. He's basically Charlie Crist before he jumped back to the Democrats. They use the democrat playbook of blaming their enemy for the same things they are doing. They like to pretend Ron is a RINO when in fact it's clearly the guys they are supporting. Donalds literally sided with CNN and called DeSantis removal of DEI as racist. This was after he called for the jailing and prosecution of every single January 6th participant. Hahaha ... neither are hardly the GOP line of thought but somehow extreme MAGA sees no issue because Trump said so.

I get you guys don't believe me, because you would never do it, but I had no intention of voting for Trump until he was so obviously politically attacked. It was sickenly obvious. He an arse, and I do not like the way he handles business. His policies do align for the most part so I can get behind that.  Here locally we are voting for the person to replace Mike Waltz in Congress. The GOP person, Randy Fine, is backed by Trump but little else. He's a piece of crap for several reasons, both in and out of politics. We are voting libertarian so if the Dem wins, it's because Trump is backing a loyalist who really shouldn't ever have any power. Sadly, most people will vote for him because he has an R next to his name but that actually means little in the Florida Legislature as they are really purple at best. DeSantis has been the only one fighting for conservatives.

Dude, you are a 3-time Trump voter and perpetual Trump apologist.
I don't know what you have to tell yourself to try to maintain your dignity while supporting a guy who is obviously against every value you claim to hold, but it isn't working.  For example:

Nobody buys this.  You were always voting for the Republican, and I don't know why you would lie to yourself so blatantly.  You were always going to find some excuse to be outraged over so you could rationalize voting for Trump yet again.

^^^ I take it you don't know anyone with integrity. Either way ... the lady Trump just put up to lead the CDC is a horrible pick and should make people like you happy. Not sure how a lady who advocates Covid vaccines for 6 month olds is supposed to work with Kennedy or support the Republican agenda. It's another freaking Susie Wiles pick. 

you don't like her because she's too much of a scientist for the CDC ?

It's funny how there are billions of unvaxxed people out there living a great life

Let's be clear on what "integrity" means in this sentence: you claim you "had no intention of voting for Trump" a THIRD time... but you did anyway.
And why?  Not despite his felony convictions, but specifically because of them.

You're right.  I don't know anyone with that sort of "integrity."

Listen dude, whatever you need to tell yourself in the mirror to sleep at night is on you.  But if you make a thread like this in another desperate attempt to own the libs, don't expect us to just ignore your complete abdication of all your moral high ground.

I was more referring to the fact you never take me at my word. Whatever. I honestly wouldn't spend time typing out something that I believed was untrue. It may not be the actual fact but I can assure you that is what I believe if I say it is.

BTW ... Randy Fine who has Trump's endorsement,  is struggling to secure Mike Waltz's seat but my wife and I ( as well as many others) refuse to vote for him as he is an actual piece of crap. Him being a Republican makes no difference to us. Trump won this area by 30 points. It should have been a slam dunk.