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There are five houses in my neighborhood that had been flying MAGA flags since 2016.  Not just a yard sign around election time but every day for almost 10 years. One house for 2 years it was a flag saying "Let's go Brandon" not a Trump flag but I consider it close enough  Likewise I consider "Liz is a traitor" to be a MAGA flag. And one of them even had a "Trump 2028" flag for a couple of weeks.

But they are now all gone. One was replaced with a "Don't tread on me flag." Bumper stickers were also removed from cars.

While a very small sample size at least with these individuals he has lost support. 

I'll believe it when I see it.  I think people talk a big game, but they go back to their roots when tested.

I think that, at best, we can expect a flip by people simply not being motivated by MAGA....not that they're gonna vote the other way.

Admitting that you championed someone who screwed you isn't what people do.

Maybe because he won and he can't run again? 

I don't see that in my world. While many supporters see his faults, he is still getting things done. Every week another liberal conspiracy turns out to be much to do about nothing. In fact, I see more people understanding there are at least two sides to everything and others aren't inherently evil because they have different views.

I am NOT claiming they are now fans of AOC, just that they are no longer as fanatic. 


They still had the flag up in February. I really doubt the guy flying a Trump 2028 flag for about a month took it down because he read a law review article on why that is unconstitutional.   

As I drove around today I will say there aren't necessarily fewer signs/flags but there are a ton that need replacing if they want to keep them. I'm guessing since he's already in there fewer people care to promote him.

Donald Trump has repeatedly said this is not true.

I'm guessing you don't really care but most people do not support in in this endeavor. Typically its extreme MAGA and those same people call real conservatives RINOS because they don't bow to Trump on everything. They are the minority of the party. 

I have heard that story before.  We will stop him if he goes too far.  Then you don't. 

Just imagine what your reaction would have been if Venezuela had offered to give Obama a private jet, that should be the same reaction you should have to the Trump bribe.  Actually take anything Trump has done and ask yourself how you would have reacted to Obama doing the same thing. 

Apparently this deal was worked out under Democrat Biden so you may want to check your sources. I agree it is not a good look but in the whole scheme of things not worth losing sleep over.

I'm more concerned with celebs and politicians posting threats against a president. Comey's latest threat was absolutely ridiculous and no one that side is calling these lunatics out that I can see.

Trump tells a mob to go to the Capitol and stop the certification of the next president: "no big deal"

Comey posts a picture of some seashells that spell "8 6 4 7": "absolutely ridiculous threat"

Biden worked out a deal in which Trump would get to keep a jet after leaving office?  Yeah, my sources have not mentioned that. 

The freak out over the sea shells is the most hilarious thing I’ve seen in awhile.

Especially as it came from the idiot who helped elect the syphilitic madman back in 2016.

The brazen and obvious corruption from Don Gotti is…if it was a democrat or even fuckin Bush it would be over but i guess since Trump is the Antichrist it doesn’t matter.

This is true now, but will not be true when it's time.  All of these people (including you) will be cheering for his third term if that is what is decided and you will find some mental gymnastics to find a way for it to be justified.

We saw the same thing with Jan 6th.  Everyone saw it for what it was, an attempted overthrow of government.  Insurrection.  Now, these same people lie to themselves.

The hypocrisy with all of this is totally crazy.  Supporting Russia.  Supporting blanket tariffs.  Accepting $400 million dollar personal gifts.  ...fucking insanity is what it is.

what's going on with sea shells ? i don't know anything about that

wasn't that demolition man stuff ?

Comey posted a picture of some seashells that spelled "8 6 4 7".

He didn't even put the seashells in place.   Someone else did.  He simply spotted it and took a picture.   The fact that people took the time to put numbers together and go crazy over some supposed "assassination attempt" is ridiculous.   Those numbers could've had some other significance to whoever put the shells that way.   

People are so fucked up and will look to start drama for the sake of starting drama.   For chrissakes, everyone needs to calm the fuck down and go about their daily business.

8647 is definitely an Anti-Trump message.

It just doesn't mean to kill him.  86 is a restaurant term that I knew growing up from friends in the industry, which I kinda knew to mean "I don't want that" or "cancel".  Like, "mushroom bacon swiss burger, 86 swiss".

Nothing is real.  It's all performative bullshit by people trying to take-over the country in anti-democratic ways.

I worked in restaurants as well when I was younger.  86 means the restaurant is out of that item.

That being said, we don't know who put the seashells there and we're definitely not 100% that it is an anti Trump message.   For all we know, it could be the numerical version of August 6, 1947. which could be a date that has some meaning to whoever put them there.

86 can mean any number of things. It's slang. How many uses are there for words like bad, sick, Ill,  etc.? Giving it one definition is like asking someone how long is a piece of string.

To me it always meant when you got rowdy/creepy in a bar and weren’t allowed back in the establishment you’d be “86ed”

The seashell thing was not a threat and the suggestion is funny coming from people who hung an effigy of the sitting vice president and attempted a putsch.

It's standard bad faith conservative whining.
It's just like when the same people who chanted "Lock Her Up" complained about Trump being prosecuted, or when Sarah Palin complained about some Democratic staffer using the word "retarded," or any time any conservative claims to be a victim of racism or sexism (two concepts they flatly reject as a matter of course).

Do you fact check anything your peeps tell you? The plane was given to our government to use as a favor. The Defense Dept to be exact.

Any slang I've ever heard is to get rid of whatever item it is directed towards. 86ing a menu item to to get rid of it. 86ing a plan is to forget about it. 86ing a person has always been about killing them.

The absolute comedy of this response.

Where is the fact check for this claim, sir?  When did the Biden Administration arrange to accept a "gift" of some giant airliner "for the Defense Department to use"?

Interesting!  I'd like to report several murders by the former House Representative from Florida:

(https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/imgsize-23456,msid-121231999,width-600,resizemode-4/-.jpg)

The pearl-clutching and hand-wringing from the "Hang Mike Pence" crowd should never be taken seriously.

Yea ... I don't follow Gaetz so I wouldn't have seen that. He's a piece of crap regardless of what party he is portraying. Interesting to note he's very good buddies with liberal John Morgan, John Morgan has just formed his own political party, and rumors are swirling that Gaetz will run for Florida governor. Coincidence? I guess we will see.

to borrow a turn a phrase from my 13 year old

This comment is giving "the nazi's were actually left wing because their party name had socialist in it"

Not sure what you mean. Gaetz is a Republican but he is a piece of crap as a human. The fact he works with one of the biggest liberal financial backers out there is kind of contradictory to him being a conservative politician.  I don't think Gaetz is conservative or liberal but out for himself and the almighty dollar. If he thinks Morgan can get him a seat back at the table, he would gladly take it. He doesn't have many options as Byron Donalds is backed by Trump and DeSantis, whom Gaetz has publicly accused of illegally funding Hope Florida, hasn't presented a replacement. Once DeSantis does they will be odds on favorite to win the Republican nomination.

So it is your position that Matt Gaetz was claiming to have killed Kevin McCarthy, Ronna McDaniel, and Mitch McConnell, or was he claiming to have removed them from political power?  Because that throws a rather big wrench into your "86ing a person has always been about killing them" statement.

I've heard TV studio's "86 a show" when it was time to cancel it. I've heard businesses of all stripes "86 a program" when it turns out to not be profitable. I've heard my own sainted mother say "86 the radio" when she wants a little fucking peace and quiet.

There can only be one answer... We live in a nation of serial assassins. May God have mercy on all of our evil souls.

It doesn't throw a wrench into what I said because I had never heard that and that's exactly what I said. I agree with you that he said it but I had never heard anyone say or write that until you brought it to my attention. I guess the outrage could be misinterpreted but I still maintain that killing people is a much more popular way of saying it.

I need to check on the well being of some of my former coworkers, my boss told me he 86ed all the temps for budget reasons I assumed they got laid off.  Maybe I should call the police.

^^^^ In this day and age you just never know. People be crazy!!  ;D

The mental gymnastics that one must perform to view this as a threat but not "Hang Mike Pence"

Who said "Hang Mike Pence"? It's obviously a threat.

I've said this before but ... there is a small faction of MAGA who do or dies by Trump. They attack anything not sold out to Trump  ... even actual conservative Republicans.  They are just as crazy as the typically super ugly irrational liberal women and men screaming and crying about MAGA online. They certainly don't represent all or even a majority of the Republicans.

The people Trump pardoned for invading the Capitol on January 6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOpWCtNqFQM

Since you brought it up ... Kash Patel is getting ready to reveal just how much the FBI was involved with January 6th and says it may surprise and shock people. Kind of funny the Biden cover-up is now being exposed by liberals, Russiagate is continuing to blow up, and now January 6th is seemingly falling apart.  

Standard Trump....big announcement without evidence then the evidence evidence doesn't support the announcement at least not the way the right-wing media spun the announcement.  But, I would not be shocked in the least if Trump appointments to the FBI were part of the attempted coup to prevent Biden from taking office.  Nor I am not surprised by your insinuation that Biden was somehow involved with Jan 6.  He was not in charge. Any involvement by the FBI on Jan 6 was done by the TRUMP FBI.  Not Biden FBI.

Right on schedule: immediately after labeling a picture of seashells spelling 8 6 4 7 a clear call for assassination, you have seamlessly pivoted to excuse-making for the people who chanted "Hang Mike Pence."

I have no problem admitting I was wrong about that. I'm an old dude and had never heard that expression used that way.  I'm actually a Mike Pence fan although he is too nice of a guy to ever be president. He just fell into the trap of not sucking Trump's balls so the crazy people on the right attacked him. The same way they do DeSantis and others. Those same people wouldn't like me either and that's perfectly fine.  They aren't conservatives but a part of the Trump cult that doesn't think there should be any checks on him.

With that said I still don't think most of the January 6ers should have been arrested for various reasons and that includes the cultist Trumpers. They definitely shouldn't have been locked up for years with no trial. That is far more egregious than deporting illegals without this mysterious due process people think they deserve.  Our citizens are due that according to our laws.

This right here.   Due process and Constitutional rights are for American citizens and permanent residents (legal aliens).   If you came here illegally, you skipped due process coming in, so you shouldn't be entitled to come back and claim it going out.

They received trials and were convicted, or outright pled guilty.  That is what due process is.

The absolute pinnacle of irony is in your next sentence:

1.  You are literally talking about people who are being held in foreign prisons without a trial.
2.  According to the Constitution, any person on American soil is "due that," not just citizens.  US law does not provide for an underclass of people who have no rights and can simply be thrown in a dungeon forever with no trial.

Umm if you were correct that would be true but that's the liberal spin. Hundreds were still awaiting trial in January 2025.


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/national/capitol-riots/on-fourth-anniversary-of-capitol-riot-fate-of-nearly-500-pending-cases-in-doubt-january-6/65-aca70b91-8746-43ef-8dc1-9b94115df0ad

WASHINGTON — The fate of nearly 500 criminal cases stemming from the mob attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, remained uncertain this week as the nation marked its fourth anniversary.

As of Monday, federal prosecutors had filed 1,583 cases connected to the Jan. 6 attack. Of those, approximately 1,100 have reached sentencing. According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, of the remaining cases, 170 involve defendants who have either been convicted or pleaded guilty and are awaiting sentencing and approximately 300 involve defendants still awaiting trial.

Oh, I'm not claiming that every criminal charge had been resolved.  But you're trying to imply that "awaiting trial" means the same thing as "locked up for years with no trial," which would only be true if all of these defendants were denied bail.  And that's not the case. (https://thedispatch.com/article/fact-checking-vivek-ramaswamys-claims-about-january-6-defendants/)

The idea that defendants who were released on bail and successfully gamed their cases with delays and postponements to avoid being sentenced (until Trump could pardon them) are somehow victims who have had their civil rights violated is ridiculous.

(Also, note that your article from January 2025 says there were 1,583 arrests in connection with January 6th, while the article I cited says that as of September 2023, there were 1,146 such cases, meaning that there were 437 additional cases from September 2023 to January 2025... which is significantly more than the 300 that were still awaiting trial in January 2025.)

Please explain to me how you determine someone's citizenship without due process? No one is suggesting that if they are illegal (as determined by due process) that they can't be deported, it's the fact they aren't even determining if they are illegal or not (by due process) that people are upset about. You understand that right?

Well first of all, the Trump administration designated MS-13 as a foreign terrorist organization. If a person is a known member then they are treated like a terrorist and not a citizen. I get you probably think they are just nice illegals looking for a peaceful place to live but the law doesn't care about your feelings. 

I wonder if you will be so cavilier in your attitude when they determine that you are part of a foreign terrorist organization because you have a tatoo? Personally I don't think the President is able to make that determination without due process. He's not exactly shown much ability to be objective.

I'm all for deporting members of MS-13. I'm not for determining that you are a member of MS-13 because you have a tatoo. I don't personally have any tatoos but most of my family members do and none of them are members of MS-13.

If you're legal, you should be carrying your green card and another government issued photo ID at all times.  End of story.

And if you are, they are deporting you anyway if you are member of MS-13 which can be determined by if you have a tatoo. Try again.

"If you are a Known Criminal then you don't deserve due process" is certainly a lot faster than that whole "jury trial" or "innocent until proven guilty" stuff!

For Republicans, unlimited due process and even pardons, including for those caught on tape who plead guilty.
For everyone else, the sentence comes before the trial.

But I guess it's good to know that you apparently believe if President AOC declares the Proud Boys or the Oath Keepers to be "terrorist organizations," we don't have to bother with all those trials and can just proceed directly to imprisoning them indefinitely.

You don't actually have to have a tattoo.  Photoshopping it on you (https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1913621419352563836) later is proof enough for the President to proclaim (https://abcnews.go.com/US/full-transcript-trumps-exclusive-100-days-broadcast-interview/story?id=121291672) you literally have "M S one three" tattooed on your knuckles.

Don't join a gang.   Gangs are trouble.   

It's pretty amazing that the "Guns are needed to combat government tyranny" folks are the same people as the "If the government accuses you of being a gang member then you don't deserve a trial" folks.

Big difference between being "accused" and being "validated".  If you've got gang tattoos or there's pictures of you constantly hanging out with known gang members, you're validated.   Guess what a validated gang member gets if he commits a crime??   You guessed it, a harsher prison sentence.

In the American justice system, the method we use for "validation" is called a "trial." Everything else is just allegations.

If you think of the whole "innocent until proven guilty" idea that y'all apply to the people caught on tape smashing windows and breaking into the Capitol, just imagine expanding that right to people you don't like.  That's pretty much it.

Don't be a junior in High School, honor student or play for the volleyball team or be in the band either apparently. Under no circumstances should you be a bus boy in an Italian restaurant either. ICE looks silly and anyone who supports this activity does too. I'm embarrassed to be an American these days.

This is bananas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gbjhpcjzhc)

I don't carry proof of citizenship with me.  This country does not have a national ID requirement, I carry ID when I am driving or if I plan on drinking, but not 24/7.

You don't have to carry an ID on you at all times if you are obviously an American citizen (if you know what I mean, and I think you do).

Oh, I missed this gem:

And how do we tell if a "validated" gang member committed a crime?  Well, the government "validates" that too!

Go look up the term validated gang member.   It's perfectly legal and used in quite a few law enforcement organizations.   The average Joe Schmoe would get a lighter sentence than a validated gang member for the same crime.   

This always makes me laugh. People are literally dying to get here but you are so entitled you pretend we are bad. One of my latest "hobby's" has been following Europeans that move here on Social Media. They are constantly pointing out how much better it is here and fallacies to the stereotypes they had grown up hearing. Unfortunately many of us don't appreciate what we have because we've always had it.

Again, you are supposed to get a "sentence" after a trial, where the prosecution has the burden of convincing a jury that 1) you are a gang member and 2) you committed this crime.

But if the government - the same government you claim you need guns to potentially overthrow - simply declares that you are a Gang Member, suddenly all that goes out the window and it's directly to prison!

Apparently you aren't bright enough to read what I'm saying.   I'm talking about AFTER said trial and conviction, a validated gang member gets a harsher sentence.   You don't like it?  Don't join a gang.

Apparently you aren't bright enough to understand that the criticism we are making is that there isn't any "trial" or "conviction."  The government simply declares you to be a Gang Member (because you have an Air Jordan tattoo or something similarly absurd), snatches you up when you're dropping off your kids at school, and before your family can hire a lawyer to try to defend you, they rush you on to the next plane to El Salvador where you are thrown into a dungeon.

That's not what I was referring to.   I'm talking about you being arrested for a serious crime.   While you're strip searched at booking, they notice gang tattoos on you.   They also look at your history and see you have a few priors for gang related offenses and they know you have been associating with other known gang members.  That's how you get validated.

Now where you're getting the idea that you get deported for that is beyond me.   But you most certainly will get a lengthier jail sentence for the crime than someone who committed the offense for the first time and doesn't have any gang tattoos.

That STILL is not a "trial" or "conviction"!

It is what (https://www.vera.org/news/people-are-being-deported-because-of-their-tattoos) we have been talking about (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/tattoos-deported-venezuelans-not-necessarily-gang-members-rcna197089) this whole time!

Yeah, people from 3rd world countries are dieing to get here, that doesn't mean we are representing ourselves well. We once were the envy of most countries, not so much anymore. People are starting to head for Canada now over the US. I guess you're proud of that? I'm not. Actually you have it backwards, I did appreciate what I had and now I'm seeing a bad leader tear a lot of the things that I was proud of down in the name of progress. It's not progress, it's setting us back 60 years...apparently when we were great? I don't have to go back that far, the US was great as little as 10 years ago, things have been going downhill since then in my humble opinion. But I do hold out hope that things will turn around again and we'll get over this bad period for the US and things will start heading in the right direction again. It's not fun to go through it though.

I actually am happy when people "don't come here". As a 5th generation Floridian I can tell you many natives feel the same way about our state. The perception in England and the reality are very far apart.  It's really hard to find a better country to live in regardless of who is in control. Sorry to see you're so entitled you can't see that.

It is not entitlement it is jealousy.  My family lives in this country,I know the language so I stay.  And there are certainly worse countries to live in, most of Africa,  Central and South America and about half of Asia.  But almost all of Europe, Canada, about half of Asia and a few countries in South and Central America are better than the USA, some significantly better.  Free or adorable college, healthcare, worker rights, public transport, wages, time off, safer, more democratic, higher food standards etc.

How do you feel about the people on the right warning of an imminent demographic collapse in this country because there aren't enough babies being born here?  That seems at odds with the "Fuck off, we're full" mentality.

Isn't that just Elon? While I'm sure there are some who say that, I wouldn't say that's a Republican view. The closest you could come to that view is not wanting abortions to happen.

I don't really know what the Republicans, as a party, stand for anymore.  But concern for decrease in birthrate is most definitely a rallying cry from the right.

How America’s Baby Bust Became an Election Issue (https://archive.ph/jxWGk)
Advocates have moved the topic to the forefront of conservative policy agendas

JD Vance has long been on a quest to encourage more births in the United States (https://apnews.com/article/jd-vance-childless-cat-ladies-birth-rates-555c0f78ef8dd4c13c88b9e8d5f0024a)

The movement desperately trying to get people to have more babies (https://www.vox.com/policy/363543/pronatalism-vance-birth-rates-population-decline-fertility)
It’s not only J.D. Vance fixating on childlessness: The pronatalists, explained.

And an average 65% federal income tax compared to 10%-37% here in the United States.   All that "free" stuff you mentioned ain't free.  Somebody's gotta pay for it.   If you have a job and are earning money in those countries, that somebody is YOU.

I used to feel that way, lately not so much. Some really bad things going on in the US right now, so much so that other countries are telling their folks not to come here, even to visit. That's pretty telling. The US is hosting the World Cup next year and there's speculation that some players/countries won't attend based on what's happening in the US right now. Lot of soccer players that play professionally here in the US from other countries are being told not to fly home because there's a good possibility they won't be able to return. This was unheard of even 10 years ago outside of Russia.

I'm not sure what about that makes you feel like I'm entitled.