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Both of these coaches won their season openers in their first two seasons of coaching and made the playoffs each year..

Both of them won their season openers in their third seasons, but were eliminated from playoff contention on the last week of the regular season.  Of course, the difference is Wanny's was win and you're in, while, McDaniel needed help which he had no chance of getting.

Both of them lost their season openers in their fourth seasons. 

Wannestedt finished that year at 10-6, which was disappointing because they lost so many winnable games.  He did not make it through the fifth season.

Will McDaniel set himself apart from Wannestedt?

I have to say that Miami fails to make the playoffs this year, I don't see McDaniel coming back.

If things go bad, I believe Tyreek Hill will be traded midseason.

I also believe Tua will be gone if things fail to improve.

Well both Coaches inherited pretty decent teams, and then they got worse under their direction; so there is that similarity.

It is crazy to think the McDaniel Dolphins were "worse" than the Flores Dolphins, which were not "decent" by any standard that McDaniel is being judged on.

I like the McDaniel Dolphins more than the Flores Dolphins.  I think that there's some glazing going on.

Yeah that one is insane. The team has clearly been better than the Flores era.

That's not what I meant.  Flores had records of 5-11, 10-6, 9-8, during his three years when the Dolphins did a major rebuild and severely lacked talent at the start of this period.  McDaniels took over at the end of the rebuild after new players were drafted and got some experience.  AND McDaniels had the benefit of some big name free agents being signed after he took over.  Yet McDaniels has had records of 9-8, 11-6, and 8-9 (28-23); and is off to a terrible start with an 0-2 record against teams they should have easily won.  To me McDaniels has grossly underperformed, and this team is worse off than it was three seasons ago.

You say the team Flores left behind wasn't decent, then how did they have records equal to McDaniels' three years?

At least with Flores the team played hard.

Really?  Their win/loss records don't reflect that, with the exception of Flores' first year when Miami dumped all their top players for draft picks.

The fact that you consider 24-25 with zero playoff appearances to be an "equal record" to 28-23 with two playoff appearances says plenty about the different standard you are holding each coach to.

The average margin of defeat in playoff (dis)qualifying games for defensive-minded head coach Brian Flores was 30 points.  That's how hard his teams played for him.

You can cherry pick stats all you want, but IMO if Flores had the talented players that McDaniel has had the last couple years Miami is winning playoff games.  McDaniels is soft, the team is soft, and EVERYONE knows it.

Perhaps if Flores had talented players like Xavien Howard, Christian Wilkins, Zach Sieler, Andrew Van Ginkel, Minkah Fitzpatrick, Jaylen Waddle, and Tua, he would have been able to simply make the playoffs.

I don't think McDaniels is the problem, Grier is.