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Title: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 09, 2006, 10:00:00 pm
Does Iranian President Mahmoud's Ahmadinejad's intend to use nuclear weapons to bring about the end of the world?

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FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN
Iran leader's messianic end-times mission
Ahmadinejad raises concerns with mystical visions

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Posted: January 6, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com  (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48225) <= link

Iranian President Mahmoud's Ahmadinejad's mystical pre-occupation with the coming of a Shiite Islamic messiah figure – the Mahdi – is raising concerns that a nuclear-armed Islamic Republic could trigger the kind of global conflagration he envisions will set the stage for the end of the world.

While Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been making headlines lately by questioning whether the Holocaust actually happened, by suggesting Israel should be moved to Europe and by demanding the Jewish state be wiped off the face of the earth, his apocalyptic religious zealotry has received less attention.

In a videotaped meeting with Ayatollah Javadi-Amoli in Tehran, Ahmadinejad discussed candidly a strange, paranormal experience he had while addressing the United Nations in New York last September.

He recounts how he found himself bathed in light throughout the speech. But this wasn't the light directed at the podium by the U.N. and television cameras. It was, he said, a light from heaven.

According to a transcript of his comments, obtained and translated by Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, Ahmadinejad wasn't the only one who noticed the unearthly light. One of his aides brought it to his attention.

The Iranian president recalled being told about it by one of his delegation: "When you began with the words ‘in the name of Allah,' I saw a light coming, surrounding you and protecting you to the end."

Ahmadinejad agreed that he sensed the same thing.

"On the last day when I was speaking, one of our group told me that when I started to say 'Bismillah Muhammad,' he saw a green light come from around me, and I was placed inside this aura," he says. "I felt it myself. I felt that the atmosphere suddenly changed, and for those 27 or 28 minutes, all the leaders of the world did not blink. When I say they didn't move an eyelid, I'm not exaggerating. They were looking as if a hand was holding them there, and had just opened their eyes – Alhamdulillah!"

Ahmadinejad's "vision" at the U.N. is strangely reminiscent and alarmingly similar to statements he has made about his personal role in ushering in the return of the Shiite Muslim messiah.

He sees his main mission, as he recounted in a Nov. 16 speech in Tehran, as to "pave the path for the glorious reappearance of Imam Mahdi, may Allah hasten his reappearance."

According to Shiites, the 12th imam disappeared as a child in the year 941. When he returns, they believe, he will reign on earth for seven years, before bringing about a final judgment and the end of the world.

Ahmadinejad is urging Iranians to prepare for the coming of the Mahdi by turning the country into a mighty and advanced Islamic society and by avoiding the corruption and excesses of the West.

All Iran is buzzing about the Mahdi, the 12th imam and the role Iran and Ahmadinejad are playing in his anticipated return. There's a new messiah hotline. There are news agencies especially devoted to the latest developments.

"People are anxious to know when and how will He rise; what they must do to receive this worldwide salvation," says Ali Lari, a cleric at the Bright Future Institute in Iran's religious center of Qom. "The timing is not clear, but the conditions are more specific," he adds. "There is a saying: 'When the students are ready, the teacher will come.'"

For his part, Ahmadinejad is living up to at least part of his call to the faithful. According to reports, he lives so modestly that declared assets include only a 30-year-old car, an even older house and an empty bank account.

Ahmadinejad and others in Iran are deadly serious about the imminent return of the 12th imam, who will prompt a global battle between good and evil (with striking parallels to biblical accounts of "Armageddon").

An institute set up in 2004 for the study and dissemination of information about the Mahdi now has a staff of 160 and influence in the schools and children's magazines.

In Iran, theologians say endtimes beliefs appeal to one-fifth of the population. And the Jamkaran mosque east of Qom, 60 miles south of Tehran, is where the link between devotees and the Mahdi is closest.

Ahmadinejad's cabinet has given $17 million to Jamkaran.

Shiite writings describe events surrounding the return of the Mahdi in apocalyptic terms. In one scenario, the forces of evil would come from Syria and Iraq and clash with forces of good from Iran. The battle would commence at Kufa – the Iraqi town near the holy city of Najaf.

Even more controversial is Ahmadinejad's repeated invocation of Imam Mahdi, known as "the Savior of Times." According to Shiite tradition, Imam Mahdi will appear on Judgment Day to herald a truly just government.

Missed by some observers in Ahmadinejad's speech at the U.N. was his call to the "mighty Lord" to hasten the emergence of "the promised one," the one who "will fill this world with justice and peace."


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: jtex316 on February 09, 2006, 10:52:00 pm
Well if the world ends, ain't nothing I can do about it.  See you on the other side.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: MaineDolFan on February 10, 2006, 12:03:16 am
Here I was thinking Richard Simmons was the anti-Christ.  "C'mon people - let's go!  10,000 leg lifts and take it left, and right, and left, and right!"
:)

Interesting read, actually.  I'm with Jtex.  Strap on, ladies - could be a bumpy landing.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 10, 2006, 12:23:08 am
Let's assume for a minute that this whacko does want to create a nuclear arsenal and launch it in hopes it will cause the end of days...

Do "we" launch a pre-emptive strike.... or is that exactly what he wants?   Could it be the pre-emptive strike that causes the apocalypse?

Is the apocalypse even a bad thing?  We'd finally get the answer to which religion is right.... or if none are.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: MaineDolFan on February 10, 2006, 12:37:04 am
Here's the thing.  Somewhere on every single one of you is a "best if used by" expiration date.  Maybe you'll live to be elderly, perhaps you'll lose your life in a tragic bass fishing trip in North Dakota.  Maybe Miami will lose 3-0 in Super Bowl 41 after missing sixteen field goal attempts of 15 yards or closer and your head simply explodes.

Or maybe we'll be the generation that is around for the apocalypse.  When you think of it, it beats turning 90 and sitting in a home where no one comes to see you...except the nurse to change your diaper because you lost control of your own bowels 13 years earlier.

We're all going to go someday.  Funny thing about mother Earth is that one way or another she'll find a way to cleanse herself of the things on this planet that hurt her.  Someday we'll go the route of the dino and that will be that.

So - until that time - smile a little more, put some extra sugar in your coffee and don't worry about shaving every day.

Salute!


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 10, 2006, 03:04:23 am
So your opinion is to not worry about it and let Iran nuke us?


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: Frimp on February 10, 2006, 03:20:35 am
A pre emptive strike may not be that difficult now, thanks to a few cartoons. I live HERE. Do I want to see a mushroom cloud where I live? No. Has this Iranian nutjob given us EVERY reason to bomb the hell out of him...even after the "Axis of Evil" speech? Yes.

Seems pretty clear to me.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: TonyB0D on February 10, 2006, 08:46:40 am
what about the high-level general who said "iraq was just a warm-up...." in reference to whats going down with iran in the next few years....i forgot where i read this (maybe here on the board?)


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 10, 2006, 09:03:35 am
All I hope is that we get a democratic president in office BEFORE we take on Iran.  That way ALL Americans will be able to support the war and we won't have this constant second guessing, one-sided media reports, etc. 

I'll consider the higher taxes the cost of domestic peace - kind of like paying the haters to STFU.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: TonyB0D on February 10, 2006, 09:09:18 am
meh i'd rather have a republican president in office during wartime...and america feels that way too (we almost always vote repub during war time)


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: Househead on February 10, 2006, 09:16:44 am
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All I hope is that we get a democratic president in office BEFORE we take on Iran.

You'll get your wish in 08! Well, at least, you'll get your wish of seeing a democrat back in the office cleaning up the mess of the current administration. Whether we will take on Iran is another story. If they truely have nukes and are a threat (and not an maginary, fabricated WMD threat like Iraq was) to use them, you can count on a tough US response (or initiative)


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: MaineDolFan on February 10, 2006, 09:25:58 am
So your opinion is to not worry about it and let Iran nuke us?

I'm not going to allow you to drag me into a political discussion, if you haven't been reading between the lines.
:)

Here's the thing - YOU could have a nuke and I wouldn't worry about you "nuking us."  In order to "nuke" a country, the country wishing to get their nuke on needs one of two things:  (1) long range ballistic missle strike ability and / or a sub program.  Iran has neither.  You don't just walk into Wal-Mar and buy a ballistic missle that can travel far enough to "nuke us."

The latest intelligence that I have been assigned - - and I know that as a member of the CID I understand CNN probably knows more  ::) -- Iran would be a geographic threat to their immediate neighbors.  If they proceed at the rate that they have been working to acquire long range, they'll be able to reach Southern Europe, North Africa, and South Asia by 2010 and maybe continental United States by 2015.

I hope you understand the third world countries that already HAVE nukes?  Pakistan was going to nuke Israel if they got them.  Huh.  Never happened.  India was going to just start tossing nukes around like candy when they got them.  Huh...never happened.

Worry more about nations developing a true risk to the United States directly.  Long range missles are much harder to come by.  Feel free to move to Canada if Iran has you that worried, Canada doesn't piss off anyone and would be a safe place to be.  I hear Toronto is nice in the spring.
 ;)


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: Brian Fein on February 10, 2006, 09:28:29 am
OK - Read into thing much?

Only one place - in the introductory paragraph - does the word "nuclear" appear in that article.  Did anyone read it?  This sounds more like a religious discussion than anything else.

The hand of God came down and told this guy that "the messiah is coming" and you all turn it into "he's gonna nuke us, let's nuke him first!"

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According to Shiites, the 12th imam disappeared as a child in the year 941. When he returns, they believe, he will reign on earth for seven years, before bringing about a final judgment and the end of the world.
This is a religious belief, and this guy believes that he's been notified by some supreme power that this 12th imam is on his way.  

This is not to be confused with "I'm going to end the world myself!"

Not everything to do with the middle east has to have a quick trigger attached to it.

If I'm reading this wrong, someone please enlighten me.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: Fau Teixeira on February 10, 2006, 09:30:45 am
the difference between a "republican" and "democrat" president as far as an active armed conflict goes is 0, zip, zilch, nil

the difference between the people occupying those posts are what matter .. not what party they affiliate themselves with.

and as far as democrats cleaning up after republicans like househead was mentioning .. it's all the same junk .. crap in crap out .. democrats have just as many shady ass lobbies and interest groups as republicans do .. just instead of the christian coalition having a voice, it'll be the council of southern baptist ministries .. and instead of the stock brokers, it'll be the afl-cio .. in the long run it's the same crap as far as i'm concerned.

I look for very few things in government.

1 - get out of my wallet as much as possible without compromising the following
2 - prevent the strong from preying on the weak
3 - get out of people's personal lives
4 - deal with foreign entities
5 - provide a means for universal education, but not necisarilly the method

that is all.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: Brian Fein on February 10, 2006, 09:32:38 am
5 - provide a means for universal education, but not necisarilly the method
irony of all ironies.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: MaineDolFan on February 10, 2006, 09:35:12 am

The riots are out of control!  The middle east is pissed at us!  Iran is talking shit!  LET'S GO GET THEM!
 ;D

(http://mrgrumman.home.comcast.net/SyriansKickOurArses.JPG)


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: MaineDolFan on February 10, 2006, 09:40:03 am
"Dammit all to hell...now that we HAVE them, how to we DEPLOY them??"

(http://www.aljazeerah.info/Cartoons/cartoon%20originals/October/nj25o.jpg)


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 10, 2006, 09:41:24 am
You'll get your wish in 08! Well, at least, you'll get your wish of seeing a democrat back in the office cleaning up the mess of the current administration. Whether we will take on Iran is another story. If they truely have nukes and are a threat (and not an maginary, fabricated WMD threat like Iraq was) to use them, you can count on a tough US response (or initiative)
Tough response from a democrat???  When's the last time that happened?

Why shouldn't I assume that Dems will defer to the UN and the by the time action is taken the nukes will be hidden or used?


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: MaineDolFan on February 10, 2006, 09:51:10 am
If I didn't know any better, I would smell a "wanna fight" all through this thread.

Statement 1:  "God I hope the Dems take the house in '08"

Statement 2:  "God the Dems suck."  And yes, I understand I am taking a liberty with that statement.

 ::)

Crazy weather we're having, eh?


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 10, 2006, 10:00:24 am
Here's the thing - YOU could have a nuke and I wouldn't worry about you "nuking us."  In order to "nuke" a country, the country wishing to get their nuke on needs one of two things:  (1) long range ballistic missle strike ability and / or a sub program.  Iran has neither.  You don't just walk into Wal-Mar and buy a ballistic missle that can travel far enough to "nuke us."
I wonder if Iran has a call into China or former members of the Clinton administration?  :P

Iran would be a geographic threat to their immediate neighbors.
I understand this (I hate to restate/rehash old information).  You know the scenario - the US getting involved due to an attack on, or a pre-emptive strke by, Israel.

I hope you understand the third world countries that already HAVE nukes?  Pakistan was going to nuke Israel if they got them.  Huh.  Never happened.  India was going to just start tossing nukes around like candy when they got them.  Huh...never happened.
India is about 80% Hindu - not such a threat to Israel.  They became a nuclear power in the 1960s because of China.  Pakistan, 97% Muslim, became nuclear in 1972 in response to India - not as a threat to Israel.

Worry more about nations developing a true risk to the United States directly.  Long range missles are much harder to come by.
The risk comes from our alliance from Israel, and the relationship between muslim governments and terrorists.

I don't think we disagree, and I don't think you've told us anything we didn't already know.  


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 10, 2006, 10:05:54 am
This is a religious belief, and this guy believes that he's been notified by some supreme power that this 12th imam is on his way.  

This is not to be confused with "I'm going to end the world myself!"

Not everything to do with the middle east has to have a quick trigger attached to it.

If I'm reading this wrong, someone please enlighten me.
This was discussed on the radio here in Seattle yesterday - that's the only reason I knew to google the article.

I'm not familiar with Islam so please correct me if I've been misinformed. 

There needs to be some apocalyptic event for the 12th iman to return.  ALLEGEDLY, the President of Iran believes he can create this event.

I take "end of times" to mean the return of the 12th Iman/Christ and the resetting of the calendar - not necessarily the destruction of the planet.

You all know that I'm not smart enough to make these connections myself.  This is just what I heard on the radio so I thought I'd share.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 10, 2006, 10:11:49 am
If I didn't know any better, I would smell a "wanna fight" all through this thread.
Yes, I think we're having another "I don't speak your language" moment because I too got that feeling from reply #11.

Reply #8 was meant to be humorous (ie - democrats will only support a war started by a democratic president.)   Sorry if you did not find it funny.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: Brian Fein on February 10, 2006, 10:13:11 am
This was discussed on the radio here in Seattle yesterday - that's the only reason I knew to google the article.

I'm not familiar with Islam so please correct me if I've been misinformed.  

There needs to be some apocalyptic event for the 12th iman to return.  ALLEGEDLY, the President of Iran believes he can create this event.
That's not how the article reads.  According to the article, the dude shows up reigns for 7 years, then blows shit up.  Seems like either (a) he thinks he is the 12th imam or (b) he is waiting for him to show up.  If its (a), then we have reason to worry...  Otherwise, I don't understand why we're all equating some mental case having a religious experience with nuclear holocaust.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 10, 2006, 10:19:54 am
There needs to be some apocalyptic event for the 12th iman to return. <= from the radio discussion about the article.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: Brian Fein on February 10, 2006, 10:21:53 am
There needs to be some apocalyptic event for the 12th iman to return. <= from the radio discussion about the article.
OK, well the radio guys contradict the article, then.  Who's right, and who's wrong?

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Ahmadinejad and others in Iran are deadly serious about the imminent return of the 12th imam, who will prompt a global battle between good and evil (with striking parallels to biblical accounts of "Armageddon").


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: MaineDolFan on February 10, 2006, 10:24:38 am
Nope, I didn't find it funny and I don't think it was intended to be that way.  And I also take your cutting and pasting my entire statement as trying to pick a fight.  I know how countries came to be (nuclear power, wise) and I realize who is a threat to whom.  Trust me, I know it better than you.  That's not the point of YOUR thread.

You specifically said "nuke us."  Not our allies / interests.  Therefore you didn't take into account that Iran CAN'T.  Therefore striking them first, out of threat directly to us would be insane.

I can play that game too.  YOU SAID:

So your opinion is to not worry about it and let Iran nuke us?

MY RESPONSE is SIMPLE.  THEY CAN'T.  They don't have the ability.  So the direct answer to your direct question:  don't worry about it (1) and Iran CAN'T nuke us.  Period.  They don't have the ability.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: Phishfan on February 10, 2006, 10:24:46 am
I just want to jump in and say I feel Iran is and always has been more of a threat to the US than Iraq was/is. This goes to show one thing in my opinion, we need to pick and choose our fights wisely. Let's say this guy does become a major problem. What are we going to do about it? Iraq is no where near finished and we still have issues in Afghanistan. We do not have enough troops to police the world ourselves militarily (and recruiters are not meeting goals). I am not against war, I am for fighting the correct wars.

Did that take us off topic? To bring it around I hope this guy just turns out to be another Middle East loudmouth and that's all.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: MaineDolFan on February 10, 2006, 10:27:24 am
As a direct threat to the continental US, they are a ways off from being that.  As a threat to our allies / interests - they are up there.  Always have been.  There is this little matter of a 20 year war with Iraq that has left them weaker than a lot of people in the media account for, however.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: Phishfan on February 10, 2006, 10:29:31 am
There are also such things as dirty bombs that do not require a long range ballistic missile to deliver them. When you consider that, they very well could indeed be a direct threat.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: Brian Fein on February 10, 2006, 10:31:32 am
I did a little research...

Read this, in conjunction with the article.  I think the radio show you heard was simply trying to stir the friggin' pot (as apparently they have done here very nicely).

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Muhammad al Mahdi
 
Arabic: 'abū l-q&#257;simi muhammadi bni hassan
 
(868- ?) Muhammad al Mahdi (the guided) is the 12th and last Imam of the Twelver Shi'i, and is also known as Muhammad al Muntazar (the awaited).
Very little can be said of him with any certainty. In fact, the non-Twelver might very well question whether there was an historical person associated with the name. Jafar, the brother of the Eleventh Imam denied the existence of any child and claimed the Imamate for himself. In fact, accounts of public appearances by Muhammad al Mahdi often involve his mysterious arrival at key moments to challenge his uncle's claims.
In brief, the Twelver Shi'i believe that he was born to a Byzantine slave named Narjis Khatun, and that his birth was kept quiet by his father, the Eleventh Imam, Hassan al Askari, because of the intense persecution of the Shi'is at that time.
Hidden since birth, he reappeared at age of 6 to assert his claim to the Imamate, only to then disappear down a well to avoid the sad fate of his father and grandfather. For the next seventy years he maintained contact with his followers through a succession of four assistants, each known as Bab (Gate), Uthman al Amir; his son Abu Jafar Muhammad ibn Uthman; Abu'l Qasim Husayn ibn Ruh an Nawbakhti; and Abu'l Husayn Ali ibn Muhammad as Samarri. The period when he used the 4 Babs as his form of contacting the Shi'is is known as the Lesser Occultation.
On his deathbed in 941 CE, the fourth Bab, as Samarri produced a letter from the Imam stating that there should be no successor to as Samarri and that from that time forward the Mahdi would not be seen until he reappeared as champion of the faithful in the events leading to the Judgement Day. Therefore, after 941 CE there has been no earthly expression of the Imamate. This period is known as the Greater Occultation. However, it is still possible to seek the Twelfth Imam's advice or intercession by writing him a letter and leaving it at one of the Shi'i shrines. To explain the doctrine of the Occultation, Shi'i theologians draw an analogy to the idea of the sun being occulted by clouds. While the sun is out of sight, it still exists and warms the earth.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: crazy_scar_man on February 10, 2006, 10:57:45 am
I like how the article came from:
FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN

That is a very reputable source. I'm sure he had editor after editor fact checking his piece.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 10, 2006, 11:04:14 am
OK, well the radio guys contradict the article, then.  Who's right, and who's wrong?
Is that a rhetorical question or are you really asking me? 

I have no idea.  I just thought it was an interesting article.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: Brian Fein on February 10, 2006, 11:06:20 am
totally rhetorical..  I don't expect you to know, you're just relaying what you heard.  I'm calling out the radio guys as not clearly representing the article.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: MaineDolFan on February 10, 2006, 11:11:55 am
There are also such things as dirty bombs that do not require a long range ballistic missile to deliver them. When you consider that, they very well could indeed be a direct threat.

Dirty bombs have been a threat since the cold war and some believe that there are still Russian nationals in country now with those.  You don't make an initial move on a country due to the threat of a dirty bomb.  And the difference between the nuclear experience of a dirty bomb versus one deployed via missle is huge.  A well constructed dirty bomb would endanger a large majority of a decent sized city.  One small warhead, deployed ballistically, would destroy that entire city and outlining areas.

There will always be threats to our nation, that doesn't green light us into rolling into to each one.  It would be counter productive to begin anything with Iran - our ground troop levels couldn't support it.


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: MaineDolFan on February 10, 2006, 11:13:21 am
I have no idea. I just thought it was an interesting article.

I think that it's a VERY interesting article and quite unnerving. 


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 10, 2006, 11:15:20 am
Nope, I didn't find it funny and I don't think it was intended to be that way.
Right, because I really believe that ALL democrats ARE against the current war ONLY because a Republican is in office.

And I also take your cutting and pasting my entire statement as trying to pick a fight.
I never intentionally pick fights - I just don't back down either.  That's been my problem here from the start.  I thought we kind of covered this via PM?

I know how countries came to be (nuclear power, wise) and I realize who is a threat to whom.  Trust me, I know it better than you.
Then why the irrelevant information about India and Pakistan?  What is the threat inciting Iran to go nuclear?

You specifically said "nuke us."  Not our allies / interests.
My apologies for sloppy, imprecise speech.  I should have said "nuke Israel and pull us into the conflict."

I can play that game too.
What game?  

don't worry about it (1) and Iran CAN'T nuke us.
Is Iran totally above cooperating with terrorists?  As it would be difficult for a terrorist to smuggle a missile, would it be easier or more difficult for Iran to create a "suitcase" bomb or something similar?


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 10, 2006, 11:19:55 am
I think the radio show you heard was simply trying to stir the friggin' pot (as apparently they have done here very nicely).
How do you figure?  Because I asked the question, "Does Iranian President Mahmoud's Ahmadinejad's intend to use nuclear weapons to bring about the end of the world?" and posted a related article?  Is it a requirement that we only post news that we endorse?

(End of the "world" was more sloppy speech on my part.  I should have said, "end of times".)


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: run_to_win on February 10, 2006, 11:21:43 am
I like how the article came from:
FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN

That is a very reputable source. I'm sure he had editor after editor fact checking his piece.
Is this sarcasm or the oldest liberal trick in the book (attacking the source instead of the content) ?

Are you familiar with Joseph Farar?  I am not. 


Title: Re: Iranian leader WANTS to bring about the end of times?
Post by: MaineDolFan on February 10, 2006, 11:26:09 am
"Then why the irrelevant information about India and Pakistan?  What is the threat inciting Iran to go nuclear?"

It's not irrelevant what so ever, that directly speaks to your point.  "Should we get Iran before they get us, or an ally."  When India aquired nukes the same worries came about.  Religious beliefs aside, India is mostly a third world country and the fear at the same was that they would use them in strong arm tactics.  A conflict with Egypt comes directly to mind.  Pakistan was the same thing - if they obtained weapons they would use them.  

Fears, on both counts, were proven to be unfounded.  It's a direct statement to your point, I'm not sure how you could not see that.  It's not "irrelevant information" in any shape or form - nor a spin on words or facts.

Again - my point is very clear here:  Iran is not an immediate threat to deploy nuclear weapons upon the continental U.S.  They are a threat to our children, however.  Either way - our military is not built nor designed for proactive action.  The strain is showing now when it's used in that manner.  Iran, for now, is a situation that needs to play itself out a little.  Strength in numbers, when Europe becomes worried enough we should follow their lead.

Compare DSI to the current situation in Iraq, as an example.  If we had the inter-national support, troop wise, that we had in DSI right now the situation would be vastly different.

Wait and see is all we can do.  Sometimes the best actions are the non actions.