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Would you give up our second round pick (#48) for Daunte Culpepper straight up?  I believe I would in a heart beat.  I know the guy's knee got shredded last year, and he probably won't be ready by the start of the year, but he is a franchise QB and he's only 29.  He is in his prime and he would make us instant SB contenders.  The only concern I would have is all that money hes gonna want.  Whaddaya think?

Plain and simple- No.

(I'm adding a poll so we can see the general thoughts).

As good a value as that sounds on the surface, I just don't think Daunte is the answer. I still remember 2002, when he became the poster child for the turnover generation, tossing 23 interceptions and fumbling 23 times (lost 9). He had more turnovers by himself (32) than 30 other "teams" did that season. He's averaged right at one and a half turnovers per game for his entire career.

God bless ya, Daunte. You're the best that the golden knights have ever given to the NFL. I just don't think Miami is the best fit. Try Oakland...Kerry Collins sucks.

Is Daunte Culpepper a better QB than we could get with that #2 pick?

Yes.

Do I want him here?

Not really...

Daunte is a fraud, IMO.  We saw why this year.  Daunte WAS good cause he had a premier WR to throw to.  No Moss = no getting your roll on...

I would love to have him prove me wrong in the aqua and orange, though.

The guy's knee was shredded like confetti when he took that hit last season.  He won't be ready until November at the earliest.  Additionally, as talented as he is, he's still got some major work to do.  

I would take him, but not for an astronomical price..... and definitely not a second round pick.  With that knee injury, I'd offer a conditional 4th.  

Willis McGahee had a knee injury just as bad.  He's a premier RB now.

Culpepper, with proper rehab, will be back.

Nope,D.Culpepper is 29...too me that's a little older than I like ....i'll take my chances with some 21- 24 year old...

Let's also not forget he wants to be paid in the Ball park of 18 million a year...I don't see that 2nd round draft pick being paid 18 million a year.I'll take my chances with the wisdom of Saban,and Mueller with the second round pick.

I like Daunte, but I don't think he'd work out here.  ...especially not for a 2nd rounder.  I think that, more than the pick, is the money that goes with it.

Can you explain the '04 season Moss missed 3 games & played hurt most of the season throwing up 2 other zero catch games? 


Finished the season with only 49 catches.

How did Culpepper look so good then?

catches or no catches, Moss commands respect on the field.  Culpepper can thrive when every WR is in single coverage cause Moss is drawing a double, thus having 0 catches.

Actually Moss tried to play in those two games & went to the bench early then sat out the following 3 weeks.  So there was a 5 game stretch that Moss did not play.

Culpepper might not be as good as he looked in '04 but  he is not as bad as he looked in  '05.

Kinda the same with Miami in '04.  They were not as bad of a team as their record showed, but once they got rolling down hill everything just went against them.

My concern with Culpepper is not his ability, but his knee & his price.

I was in Charlotte that day when Culpepper got hurt. We were on our way up to go see the Stryper concert. We hadnt quite gotten there yet, and were looking for a bar to go to that was close to the venue. We were listening to the game on the radio. The (Panthers) radio announcers were horrified when they described that hit. And, they described it very well. Too well.

Wow, Brian.  Culpepper won't have a "premier" WR to throw to in Miami?

That's not what all of you bitched at me for last year when I called Chris Chambers an "average" NFL Wide Receiver, playing completely out of his gorde.

If we pick up T.O., then he will have a premier WR to throw to. 

Go back to that thread and read what I posted in there....  Don't lump me in with a group...

Oh, God - don't be rediculous ::)

Yup,  draft is a crapshoot anyway.  I'll take Culpepper over Frerotte any day of the damn week.  He'd have Chambers here,  so it'll be no prob.  

A couple years ago I would have taken him in a heatbeat. Now I am not so sure. The guy is asking for a huge pay increase (maybe he is delusional because he has fired his agent and represents himself) or maybe it is a way to try and force his way out of MN (I think this is unlikely).

There is only one thing in this world I can't stand more than Daunte Culpepper, that's Daunte Culpepper doing his retarded ass "huddle up" signal before EACH PLAY, like no one knows they are supposed to huddle up.

I personally sent a thank you note to my boy Chris Gamble (former buckeye and current panther) for delivering that mighty blow and assuring I wouldn't have to see or hear Culpepper for at least a year.

If he comes down here to Miami, I will pull all of run to win's hair out.

Given the severity of his injury and high salary, I don't see how the Vikings can do anything but trade him.  No team will give up a number 2 pick (now that Wanny's not here) for him.  The risk are just too great, and I don't think he's the guy we build a team around.  Sorry Daunte, I have to pass.

The question is, would you take him if the price was right.  Say, a 4th rounder going to a 3rd if he makes the Pro Bowl or throws for over a certain number of yards/TD's etc.......?

No, the question was "would you trade Miami's 2nd rounder for Culpepper."

Not the second rounder.  I would probably part with a lower pick.  Say a conditional 4th. 

Any thoughts?

Before last season I would have said this is a no-brainer....Culpepper for a second rounder would be a steal for the Dolphins.  Combine the way he played without Moss and the salary he wants then I'm not so sure this is a good idea.

Culpepper may command more than a 2nd.  The guy has arguably at least 8 years left in this league.  His asking price can be negotiated and he will get schooled IMO by the professsionals. 

If we can't draft Cutler, I am all for getting Culpepper if his knee is going to fully recover.  It's not his throwing arm.

I can't see how.  This isn't the old NFL where big trades go down.  Look at other Superstars -- Terrel Owens, for example, was a 2nd round pick -- and at the time, wasn't perceived to be quite as crazy.  ...and Culpepper is possibly injured.  I don't see Minnesota even getting a 2nd...much less more than that.

Well, I just thank God Spielman isn't negotiating with the Vikings.  If A.J. Feeley was worth a second round pick, and Lamar Gordon worth a third rounder,  just imagine what Spielman would've given up for Culpepper.

     Rick Spielman's a fag.  If it was up to him he'd probably surrender a 1st and 2nd round pick in 06 and probably another 1st rounder in 07.  This guy is such a damn idiot, never should've been this team's GM.  People like Spielman, makes you appreciate what you have with Coach Saban and Randy Mueller.

I'm so sick of people basing RS for these trades.  He was basically forced into them, by the lack of focus Wanny put on the offense while being the GM.

Lets remember that the 2nd for AJ was not a straight up 2nd.  Philly had to wait a year for the pick which increases the Rd.   As for Gordon.  Miami had to get a RB & Gordon was a 3rd Rd pick just a couple years before & had replaced Faulk a few times & looked good in doing so.

RS was dealt a bad hand & was put in a lame duck situation by Wayne.

Listen, man, I may not put Spielman in the same breath as Wannstedt, but you cannot defend those trades.  I, too, was hopeful that the players acquired would pan out, but both trades were horrendous.  If you've read my posts, you'll have noticed I'm fair and analytical in my criticisms, and not quick to blame.  The Dolphins really bid against themselves for Feeley, and should not have surrendered anything greater than a fourth round pick for him.  As for Gordon, they gave up a third rounder for a former third rounder, yes, but one with durability and toughness issues (look back at the reports when Miami acquired him and you'll see).  If Patrick Surtain, an experienced Pro-Bowl player is only worth a # 2 pick, how can you justify A.J. Feeley being worth anywhere near that?  Spielman felt like he needed to make a splash and he reached.  It backfired.  This does not mean he won't be a fine GM elsewhere, someday, but his stay here was marred by bad choices.

    A 3rd Rd. pick was worth a QB you thought was worthy of starting.  That was about what Hasselbeck was traded for.   Yes, the years wait is what made it hurt worse, since you have to pay interest for a team to wait for their compensation & then when the season went all to crap it really made it hurt.

    Did Miami have any barginning power while making that trade?  Yes, they overpaid, but St. Louis took advantage of a great situation.   They plucked Miami because they knew Miami needed a back.   

Just like with RW right now for Miami.  They do not have to trade him, so its give me my price or I'll keep him.  How do you bargin with that other than walk away & it was already proven that Minor & Morris could not get it done.  RS had to do something or wash his hand to the whole season & just ride it out.  Which I know fans would have understood his lack of action.

  Cash, age & position.    As with the Gordon trade Miami was over a barrel.  Everyone knew Miami needed a QB.   Miami basically gave up a 3rd for AJ since the years wait pushed it to a 2nd.     Not gonna get into AJ being 3rd string since we all know why, some admit it some do not. 


RS was put over a lame duck coach & did make the mistake of trying to protect him & help him win in a win or else year.  Wayne should have let Wanny walk to avoid this.  Friendship got in the way IMO.

That right there was RS biggest mistake.  He should have let Fiedler walk to make sure AJ got the practice reps to learn the system.   He should have also backed up RW with a power back & not fly weights.

I will put Spielman in the same breath as Wannstedt.  Wannstedt is Spielman and Spielman is Wannstedt.  They are joined at the hip.  They worked together since the days they were in Chicago.  Spielman was the one who orchestrated the trading of a first rounder and a fourth rounder for Rick Mirer, so while I was disgusted over the Feely/Gordon trades, I was not surprised either.  As a painful reminder of that offseason, here's a link to the 2004 offseason review on Bob Flanders' old FireDaveWannstedt.com site:

http://firedavewannstedt.com/offseasonreview.htm
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That has to have gone down as one of the worst offseasons in ALL OF PROFESSIONAL SPORTS!!!

I'm beginning to think you and Bob Flanders are joined at the hip.

Would you care to join us?