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Title: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on February 21, 2006, 11:27:50 pm
NFL Network's Adam Shefter reports that the Lions and Dolphins are expected to make a "major push" to sign Drew Brees.
Well, that sounds a lot better than wanting to keep Joey Harrington. Considering Oakland, Baltimore and the Jets are three other teams that make sense, but they all have cap issues. If Brees indeed becomes a free agent, he won't be one for long. Feb. 21 - 9:12 pm et

We should've had him in 2000, but Wanny thought Jamar "Damn, that receiver is faster than me" Fletcher was a solid investment when we already had 3 Pro Bowl secondary players.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Dphins4me on February 22, 2006, 12:13:53 am
Good.  Its always great to hear these things, because they never happen.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Sunstroke on February 22, 2006, 01:08:00 am
Good. Its always great to hear these things, because they never happen.

For some reason, I found this hysterical...  ;D

If Brees passes the doctors' tests and is deemed healthy, I have no problem seeing Miami signing Brees to a contract. I'd prefer it to be a reasonable contract, obviously, but I think Drew is a high quality NFL starter and a massive upgrade to Headbutt and the Sagely one.





Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Thundergod on February 22, 2006, 07:40:51 am
a massive upgrade to Headbutt and the Sagely one.

LMAO  :D


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on February 22, 2006, 08:20:25 am
If the Lions get Brees, you can forget about them drafting Jay Cutler.  Then he just might fall to us at #16


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: SCFinFan on February 22, 2006, 08:20:48 am
If we pick up a quarterback via FA, which of our current three will go? I'd heard that we are gonna drop Sage this offseason no matter what, as his contract is too big. Does that mean we'll have

Brees
Frerotte
Lemon

as our QB's for next season (assuming this deal goes through)?


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on February 22, 2006, 08:24:01 am
If we pick up a quarterback via FA, which of our current three will go? I'd heard that we are gonna drop Sage this offseason no matter what, as his contract is too big. Does that mean we'll have

Brees
Frerotte
Lemon

as our QB's for next season (assuming this deal goes through)?

Better we have Brees-Rosenfels-Lemon


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Sunstroke on February 22, 2006, 08:59:11 am

Lemon-Sage-Brees sounds like an air freshener...





Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: jtex316 on February 22, 2006, 09:44:54 am
Isn't Drew Brees the same guy who obliterated his throwing shoulder in the last game of the season??  It's pretty hard to throw passes with a bum shoulder.  A bum knee or ankle, you can - just ask Marino, he hobbled around for years after blowing out his achilles.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: JVides on February 22, 2006, 10:06:38 am
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Lemon-Sage-Brees sounds like an air freshener...

I was going to say Pine-Sol's newest scent, but air freshner works, too.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Phishfan on February 22, 2006, 10:12:27 am


If Brees passes the doctors' tests and is deemed healthy, I have no problem seeing Miami signing Brees to a contract. I'd prefer it to be a reasonable contract, obviously, but I think Drew is a high quality NFL starter and a massive upgrade to Headbutt and the Sagely one.


The problem is his injury was recent enough that he really isn't in a position to be evaluated fully when free agency hits. He is going to be offered contracts on speculation of what will be. To throw out a comparison, Grant Hill was on crutches when he signed his contract with Orlando. Look how well that move has paid off.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Brian Fein on February 22, 2006, 10:14:44 am
The difference between Brees and Pennington is that Pennington rushed his rehab and came back nearly a full month before expected.  If Brees takes his time and rehabs properly, he can come back from this injury.  Pennington, on the other hand hurt himself worse by playing before he was fully healed.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Sunstroke on February 22, 2006, 10:22:45 am
I was going to say Pine-Sol's newest scent, but air freshner works, too.

Lemon Sage Brees sounds like the name of a Navajo indian stripper who, for a few extra dollars, will take you into the champagne room and let you pocahantus.  :o




Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: JVides on February 22, 2006, 10:29:47 am
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Lemon Sage Brees sounds like the name of a Navajo indian stripper who, for a few extra dollars, will take you into the champagne room and let you pocahantus. 

You mean pokeahotass?  Lemon Sage Brees sounds like the given name of a life-long Grateful Dead groupie, who, at 60, still insists on ripping her top off at concerts.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on February 22, 2006, 11:23:31 am
If the Lions get Brees, you can forget about them drafting Jay Cutler.  Then he just might fall to us at #16

There are a few other teams drafting before us with needs at QB. On the NFL network, they were saying that the Jets may take Cutler at #4 if he impresses them at the combine.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: YoFuggedaboutit on February 22, 2006, 01:00:48 pm
There are a few other teams drafting before us with needs at QB. On the NFL network, they were saying that the Jets may take Cutler at #4 if he impresses them at the combine.

The Jets need O-Line help more than anything.  D'Brick is their man. 


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on February 22, 2006, 02:19:26 pm
The Jets need O-Line help more than anything.  D'Brick is their man. 

If they release Pennington, they basically have Jay Fiedler as their starter. You don't call that a pressing need at QB?


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on February 22, 2006, 02:30:07 pm
If they release Pennington, they basically have Jay Fiedler as their starter. You don't call that a pressing need at QB?

Fiedler is a quality starter Philly what do you mean!!!!!  ::)


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: gocowboys31 on February 22, 2006, 02:47:03 pm
The Jets need O-Line help more than anything.  D'Brick is their man. 


D'brick is a solid choice, but with pennington making life miserable for the front office, they may be forced to reach with cutler at #4.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: TonyB0D on February 22, 2006, 02:47:47 pm
FeeFee is gone!!  


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Phishfan on February 22, 2006, 02:55:26 pm
Fiedler's release and Pennington's situation almost guarantee the Jets are going for a QB in my opinion.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Dphins4me on February 22, 2006, 03:50:48 pm
If Brees passes the doctors' tests and is deemed healthy, I have no problem seeing Miami signing Brees to a contract. I'd prefer it to be a reasonable contract, obviously, but I think Drew is a high quality NFL starter and a massive upgrade to Headbutt and the Sagely one.

I see Brees asking for about 18 to 20 million upfront.  I'll take Brees in Miami, because he is better than anyone else Miami has,  but I do not want Brees in Miami.

I did not think he was that good coming out of college & I still do not, however for some reason many of a Miami fan has a jones for this guy for some reason, that I cannot figure out.  Guess it goes back to the '01 draft.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on February 22, 2006, 04:00:27 pm

I did not think he was that good coming out of college & I still do not, however for some reason many of a Miami fan has a jones for this guy for some reason, that I cannot figure out.  Guess it goes back to the '01 draft.

I agree. I feel a lot of people feel "we should've had him then, so lets get him now". Whats ashame is that if Miami had drafted him, and he played his first few seasons  in Miami the way he did in San Diego, everyone would've said "why'd we draft that bum".

Personally, I'm getting back on the Croyle bandwagon.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Dphins4me on February 22, 2006, 04:09:23 pm
Whats ashame is that if Miami had drafted him, and he played his first few seasons  in Miami the way he did in San Diego, everyone would've said "why'd we draft that bum".
You do not know how many times I've post something like that.

Had Miami drafted Brees & he played in Miami the way he played in SD, then he would have never seen '04 in a Miami uniform.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Phishfan on February 22, 2006, 04:27:37 pm
I think you guys may underestimate his "down years" a bit. Here are his stats compared to Fiedler's for those "down years"

Brees-
2002- 526/320 60.8% 3284 yards 17TDs 16Ints
Fiedler
2002- 292/179 61.3% 2024 yards 11 TDs 13 Ints
Brees
2003- 356/205 57.6% 2108 yards 11 TDs 15 Ints
Fiedler
2003- 214/179 57.0% 2138 yards 11 TDs 13 Ints

I could have lived through those stats, we were forced to with Fiedler. The only difference, Brees got significantly better the next two years and Fiedler did not.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Philly Fin Fan on February 22, 2006, 04:30:49 pm
I think you guys may underestimate his "down years" a bit. Here are his stats compared to Fiedler's for those "down years"

Brees-
2002- 526/320 60.8% 3284 yards 17TDs 16Ints
Fiedler
2002- 292/179 61.3% 2024 yards 11 TDs 13 Ints
Brees
2003- 356/205 57.6% 2108 yards 11 TDs 15 Ints
Fiedler
2003- 214/179 57.0% 2138 yards 11 TDs 13 Ints

I could have lived through those stats, we were forced to with Fiedler. The only difference, Brees got significantly better the next two years and Fiedler did not.

And weren't we all calling for Fiedlers head during those years? Had Bree's put up those numbers here, everyone would've said that Wanny drafted a bum, and we would've called for his head as well.

Remember, the only reason he even had the chance to win the starting job in San Diego after they drafted Rivers was because Rivers held out. Had Rivers not held out, who knows if Brees would've ever left the bench that year.(i'm not saying he would've been a back up all season, just saying who knows)


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Phishfan on February 22, 2006, 04:37:56 pm
I get your point Philly, but think you are missing mine. I don't think anyone calls for a QBs head after he has a 60.8% completion ration and 3284 yards. The second year was a slip (what QB doesn't have one every now and then) and then he put together two more impressive years. The guy has been a regular starter for four years with only one bad one. I don't think we would have called for his head, but hindsight is 20/20. I definitely think I could have lived through his stats much easier that what we did endure and I don't think he would have been run out of town.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Dphins4me on February 22, 2006, 04:48:06 pm
I think you guys may underestimate his "down years" a bit. Here are his stats compared to Fiedler's for those "down years"
Yeap & Miami replaced Fiedler & they would have replace Brees or at least brought in someone to challenge him. 

I could have lived through those stats, we were forced to with Fiedler. The only difference, Brees got significantly better the next two years and Fiedler did not.
The fact is Brees would have not seen the field in Miami as long as JF was able to play.  Wanny loved him for some reason.   You seen how he handled & treated AJ, so I would expect the same treatment for Brees.   Wanny hated the unknown & would have rather had know mediocre play from a vet than going with an unknown young player.

So '05 would have probably been Brees 1st year of getting a chance to start. 


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: dolfan13 on February 22, 2006, 06:32:22 pm
uh, aj sucked bigtime.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Sunstroke on February 22, 2006, 06:38:39 pm
Yeap & Miami replaced Fiedler & they would have replace Brees or at least brought in someone to challenge him.

Sort of like San Diego did by drafting Rivers...it put the fear of bench in young master Brees and motivated him to step up his game.

This whole comparing what Drew did to what Fiedler did is kind of silly anyway. Brees wasn't standing behind Miami's O-line, throwing to Miami's receivers, nor was Fiedler standing behind SD's line and tossing it to Gates and LT out of the backfield.

Personally, I think any comparison of Fiedler to Brees is like comparing a horses ass to the horse itself. Brees is a completely different caliber QB.




Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Dphins4me on February 22, 2006, 06:44:52 pm
uh, aj sucked bigtime.
Wanny was part of the reason for it.  I think he destroyed AJ in Miami.  He was behind the 8 ball from the moment Speilman allowed Fiedler to come back.  Wanny wanted Fiedler starter & set AJ up to fail.

SD seems to be happy with him.  From what I've read they are planning on keeping him.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: dolfan13 on February 22, 2006, 07:06:45 pm
yeah as a clipboard holder and water boy  ;D after all these years he is a pro at that (oh and the routine td pass to the other team when he does play)


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Phishfan on February 23, 2006, 10:26:41 am
Keeping Feely as a thrid string QB is not much of an arguing point for his skills.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on February 23, 2006, 11:40:49 am
After Wannstedt got fired, I don't think Feely did bad at all.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: TonyB0D on February 23, 2006, 11:47:08 am
feeley has the raw tools to be a good QB....our last coaching regime didn't "coach" him to become a better player...they just threw him int he fire...what did you expect.  i bet he'll resurface eventually.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: run_to_win on February 23, 2006, 01:20:35 pm
We should've had him in 2000, but Wanny thought Jamar "Damn, that receiver is faster than me" Fletcher was a solid investment when we already had 3 Pro Bowl secondary players.
Three?  Only 2 corners who could cover though.


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: MaineDolFan on February 23, 2006, 01:43:28 pm
Bring back the Elf!  Good God, what is wrong with you people???

ELF! ELF! ELF!

:)


Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Sunstroke on February 23, 2006, 01:54:51 pm
Bring back the Elf! Good God, what is wrong with you people???

ELF! ELF! ELF!

:)

The only elf I really want any more is Liv Tyler

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1700000/images/_1704182_arwin.jpg)


...and my apologies for the brief but aesthetically pleasing hijack.







Title: Re: Dolphins Going After Brees
Post by: Dphins4me on February 23, 2006, 04:39:49 pm
Keeping Feely as a thrid string QB is not much of an arguing point for his skills.
He could be their 2nd String if Brees goes elsewhere & they do not bring anyone else in.