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There's nobody on the team right now that reallyl irks me, now that Reggie Howard is gone.

I'd have to go with Seth McKinney.

Here he is shown below, making a block for my boy, Ricky.  I don't like how he spouted off about Ricky when he retired.  I didn't like it when Jason Taylor did it either (I thought both moves were classless), but at least Taylor is a great player.  The irony is that Ricky's absence exposed our O-line and showed McKinney for what he is - a bum.

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I don't think he's terrible, but I think that you should watch what you say, especially if you're going to say it about players way better than you.

Jason Taylor

The only place where he's a great player is in his own mind.  He's a two-faced pansy, who boasts the stupidest post-sack celebration (he draws a box and kicks it...WTF????).  But it OK, we don't see it much because he's too lenky and too much of a pansy to bring a big # of QB's down (no don't tell me about that 1 season where he had 54 sacks - total fluke).

I'd have to give it to Olindo Mare.  Bitching about taking a pay cut when he's one of the highest paid kickers in the league and not even one of the best. 

RICKY WILLIAMS

     It's gotta be Olindo Mare.  He's paid way too much for what he does.  If he was more consistent on field goals, I'd say he would be worth it.  However, since he's not, he needs to be making significantly less.

I'm with Tommy and Dolfan619 -  OLINDO MARE!!!  for the same reasons

I thought about this topic on my walk home...

Quick comment...
I have no problems with Daves pick...Seth seems to have the physical toools to play Center or guard.BUT...He doesn't seem smart enough to to play center,and not physical enough to play guard....He's a Tweener...

O.Mare
I feel as Dolphins Fans we have been pretty Spoiled with our Kickers.Pete Stoyanovich(89-95),the nightmare Joe Nedney (97),and Olindo Mare (97 -05)

I used feel like...he's just a kicker,who cares,he's barley a football player...we don't need to pay him shit.

Now I look at the teams that don't want to pay kickers,that go through 2-3 cheap kickers a year.

Mare may not be the best kicker in the league,but let's not screw him either..Too many games decided by 3 points or less.He's not been a troublemaker IE Sebastian Janikowski,or Mike Vanderjagt
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This is hard,no real easy choices,no reggie howard,No Donald Lee,or Derrius Thompson...

Ok enough rambling...I'm going on my own....
My vote....Marty Booker....
Not that I hate him,He just doesn't show up.
50 catches for 638 yrds 1 Td
39 catches 686 yrds 3 Tds in 2005....
for about 3 million dollars a year...

2 games last year he didn't even have a catch....2 games last year only 1 catch
Let's see 4 games 2 catches for 33 yards...



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Its a heart that he draws, and then he usually punches it. Its like he's saying he broke the heart of the QB.

In defense of Marty Booker, he does show up.  He puts up solid #'s for a #2 WR.  And we pay him 3 mil a year because he could be a #1 WR for teams lacking at WR. I digress...

My pick is Eddie Moore.  He is currently the biggest draft bust left on our team, and hasn't played enough to warrant his 2nd rd draft choice.

I don't need to explain why.

Word.

Yeah ::)  for three games he showed up the 2 New england games where he had 13 catches and the opener against Denver where he had 5.I guess you missed the part about the two Games with ZERO catches and 2 games with ONE catch....

Since 2001 his numbers keep getting smaller....

I think this is a result of our pathetic passing game.  He can't catch balls that aren't thrown to him.  Its not like he drops a bunch

Ricky Williams:

Proven 3-time looser (4th pending). What ever happened to the old saying "3 strikes and your out"? Now 3 strikes = 4 game suspension... a 4th strike = 1 year suspension. How many chances does this guy get?  ???

Exactly, I think he has shown the most consistent hands on the team. Balls just don't go his way sometimes. That can be directly attributed to the Ferotte stare we would see so frequently. The second and third option receiver were almost non-existant.

Bad offense?...what a cop out answer....GET the F*$^ OPEN!

Bad offense might sound like a cop out, but seriously -- we zeroed in on Chambers last season.  He was Gus' first option, and then we'd do dump off passes.  Very rarely did Booker see a pass downfield.

EDIT -- not that I don't see where the Marty B. pick is coming from.   The guy hasn't been all he can be, no doubt...  I just think our offense probably didn't help that too much.

I wonder what happens when you've served your year-long suspension, then fail the test a 5th time?  Anybody know?

You win a night of bliss with special host Steve Howe.

I believe you get kicked out of the league.

I might be wrong, but I think I remember hearing that a while ago.

Found this kind of loooong, old article, but the key word is near the end: "BANISHMENT! "


NFL Substance Abuse Policy 101
Chris Whalen [cwhalen(at)bootlegsports.c // 11/05/2002


Dale Carter was just reinstated yesterday. We all remember Leon Lett’s troubles, as well as many others. So what is the policy of the NFL anyway? Why is it in place? Was there really that much of a drug habit going on in the NFL? Let’s face it, teams can give these guys HARD drugs to get them on the field, but as far as recreational use the 60s and 70s are OVER. The official NFL legal reasoning for having such a policy is as follows:

“The illegal use of drugs and the abuse of prescription drugs, over-the-counter drugs, and alcohol (hereinafter referred to as "substances of abuse") is prohibited [ftnt 1] for players in the National Football League ("NFL"). Moreover, the use of alcohol may be prohibited for individual players in certain situations where clinically indicated in accordance with the terms of this Policy.

Substance abuse can lead to on-the-field injuries, to alienation of the fans, to diminished job performance, and to personal hardship. The deaths of several NFL players have demonstrated the potentially tragic consequences of substance abuse. NFL players should not by their conduct suggest that substance abuse is either acceptable or safe. “

Basically keep the players safe so they can perform is the way I read it. There are image considerations to be sure as well as personal safety and well-being. But to institute a policy you at least have to create the image of risk. This is the statement the NFL works off of (directly from the NFL lawyers website). The policy itself is defined in each collective bargaining agreement. Essentially, the penalties involved for violation, the definition of different stages of the plan, etc. are redefined each time there is a new collective bargaining agreement. The plan changed from 1993 to 1999 etc. As I am sure it will be redefined again when the new plan is agreed upon.

Stage 1 is fairly straightforward. Essentially a positive test of someone. Now this could be a random test or a tip from someone such as NFL security or the team. All tests are confidential but a failure gets you into Stage 1. This stage is not to last more than 60 days, during which there is random testing. A player is usually given a few days notice but must not miss the test. Failure of a test or missing of a test gets you automatic admission into Stage 2.

Ah yes, Stage 2. During Stage 1 a treatment plan has been put together. Complete with regular meetings with Psychiatrists, Medical Doctors, etc. to stop what the NFL deems might be a problem starting. In Stage 2, which is only to last 24 months or two complete seasons, this gets more intense. You life is really not your own. Tests are more often, less time in advance, and the penalties are far more severe. In the NFL’s own words…

“(1)Discipline for First Failure to Comply in Stage Two: A player who has a Positive Test or who in the judgment of the Medical Director fails to comply with his Treatment Plan during Stage Two will be subject to:

(a) A fine of four-seventeenths (4/17) of the amount in Paragraph 5 of the NFL Player Contract if the player has successfully completed Stage One; and

(b) A suspension for the period of time to cover four consecutive regular season and post-season (including Pro Bowl, if selected) games without pay if he did not successfully complete Stage One.

(2)Discipline for Second Failure to Comply in Stage Two: A player who has two Positive Tests in Stage Two; or fails twice, as determined by the Medical Director, to comply with his Treatment Plan in Stage Two; or has a Positive Test and fails to comply with his Treatment Plan, as determined by the Medical Director, will incur:

(a) A suspension for the period of time to cover four consecutive regular and post season games (including the Pro Bowl, if selected) without pay if the player was fined pursuant to Section E.2.b.(1)(a) above; and

(b) A suspension for the period of time to cover six consecutive regular and post season games (including the Pro Bowl, if selected) without pay if the player was suspended pursuant to Section E.2.b.(1)(b) above.”

Pretty straightforward. You would think someone in Stage 2 would take this seriously. After all, where else can you get paid this much money as in the NFL? But addiction is a very tough thing to beat. But stay away from Stage 3!!!

In Stage 3, the player has failed the other two stages. There is no time limit on Stage 3. Once in this stage, you are in this stage for the rest of your career, period. Unannounced testing, counseling from all angles, NO TOLERANCE for failure. This is stricter than the requirements of the military, companies, or any other sport I know of.

You fail in Stage 3, the penalty is, in the NFL’s own words, BANISHMENT! First for a minimum of one year, second, while it is on a case by case basis the chances of maintaining your career are pretty slim. Start looking at a new line of work. Once you are banished, you do not get paid regardless of whether is was a guaranteed signing bonus or not. If you apply for reinstatement, and are reinstated, then you can pick up your contract. Although many teams have clauses in the behavioral section of the contract that would nullify it if you hit Stage 3. At Stage 3 you are really at the mercy of the NFL to get yourself back in.

Well, what are they testing for? The usual banned substances, cocaine, marijuana, steroids, but you can also be reported for and put in the program because of alcohol abuse. These all are watched not only by the individual teams but also by the ever present NFL security. They actually do follow players, teams, etc. VERY closely. So this is what it is. Big kudos to Dale Carter. To get out of Stage 3 he must have worked really hard on his issues, good for him!

By the way my least favorite CURRENT Dolphin is Nick Saban. He is a complete tool and is completely over-rated. Wow, he took Miami to a 9-7 record, which happens to be comparable to the same record some guy named Dave Wannstedt managed to attain every season with Ricky Williams. Look for alot of .500, out of the playoffs seasons from this guy.

You only hate him cause the first time he stepped foot on an NFL field, his team made your boys look like a pop warner squad. ::)

I think you're scared.

I don't blame you.

Good job NoFish.  You've put together a well thought out article and answered my question.  Hopefully everything will be cool from now on.  But...... please enlighten us as to who your favorite team is.  It doesn't matter if it's a divisional rival or not. 

Everything's cooool, as long as there is no bashing or name calling.  ;D

It's NOT a divisional rival!  :-X

Tha...Tha...That's all folks.   ::)

No more bashing or name calling...... if you tell us who your team is.  Trust me we won't laugh (at least I won't). 

It's the Cowboys.  (even if someone pegs it he'll always say it isn't, so... w/e)   :|   Doesn't matter anyway Tommy.  Dude is only here to F with us and is leaving the repercussions out of it.  In other words he can dish it,  but can't take it.  ---->   :-[

I wouldn't laugh if it was the Cowboys..... hell, I wouldn't laugh if it was the Houston Texans.  He's actually cooled down in the past few days.  That article up there was a good one regarding the NFL's drug policy. 

I think he's a Raiders fan.

Don't understand what this OBSESSION is with some of you about who I root for  ???

And Thundergod ... :'(  It does seem to matter to you & a couple of others, since some of you just won't let it go!
Soooo  be    8)

Hey, maybe we can have a contest about this.   ;D

Then, in the immortal words of MaineDolFan, he can "Put it in his black hole and smoke it"

It's not an obsession.  It's just good natured ribbing.  Everyone else on here who is not a Dolphins fan has spoken passionately about who they root for.  Why can't you?

<--------     ;D ;D ;D

So you are a Raiders fan eh?  OK, now it makes sense why you claim you hate both the Dolphins AND the Jets.  In regards to Maine saying "put that in your black hole and smoke it", here's a link to the thread where it happened:

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php/topic,6275.0.html

Aw Tommy, you're fishin in the wrong pond, again.
So who is it...So far it's been...Jets..Cowboys..Raiders ..anyone else   ???

My reference of "right on Bro" was about the "smoke it" comment, Not about Brian's guess of the Raiders.

Got an idea...why not run a contest?  ::)

I got an idea, why not stop derailing threads?  Who cares who he's a fan of?

The Refs!   ;D

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As long as this thread has been turned into a yawn fest - why not?

Michael Lehan.

Every time I see him on the screen he's whiffing at some guy (and an obvious whiff at that) 20 yards down the field. 

And I don't care that he's a defensive back, nor do I want to hear "Cornerbacks aren't expected to tackle anyone."  Bullshit.

I want this BUM gone

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Jason Allen you Bust.  What did Nick dumbass Saban saw in Him?  1st Round Pick(16th)  And he was a Holdout.  To add to the fire, he was not 100% when drafted. 


He is my least Fav Current Dolphin other than Cleo Lemon and Jesse Chatman  ;D

Derek Hagan, WR,  is my least favorite Dolphin...he is a terrible player, and has a great talent for dropping balls that him in the hands. I'll be glad to see the day in training camp when he gets cut.

Agreed. Even the broadcast announcers at CBS also makes claims that Hagan has the case of the 'Dropsies' I think this season will be the final year of his contract.  Once again, What did Nick ' Dumbass' Saban saw in this kid.

Saban also Drafted this kid( Devin Aromashodu ) in the same draft but  was cut to keep Hagan.  He was picked by INDY during the season and has contribute well for them .
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I'd have to start at the top with Uncle H. Wayne Huizenga.

Question. How could an international business mogul picked by Forbes and all other leading publications as "Business Man of the Year" allow such a prestigious franchise to be taken down to the depths that it has went the past ten years? By making bad decisions while making money off of our gullibility.

1. He nudges Don Shula out the door while having an agreement made with Jimmy Johnson before the 95 season, Shula's last season in Miami (basically, at Shula's press conference, Jimmy was hiding in the closet like Fredi Gonzalez).

2. Undermines Jimmy by not telling Dan Marino that there will be a new way of doing things in Davie. This led to the power struggle between Marino and Johnson. Huizenga could have stopped the whole thing but Dan Marino sells tickets. Marino should have been shipped off to another team. We at least could have got a sucker club to give us a second round draft pick.

Johnson got rid of a lot of dead weight veterans (remember the Gene Atkins cut after he gave up a crucial touchdown against the Seahawks?) and the team got younger...with the exception of the quarterback. Miami could have drafted or groomed and up and coming quarterback and with the defense young and set, there probably would have been a Super Bowl appearance or two.

With all due respect, I believe that Jimmy quit on Miami before his mother got sick. There was only room for one ego (Jimmy or Dan) and Uncle Wayne did nothing. Jimmy used family issues to jettison the Dolphins.

3. Signed off on the hiring of Dave Wannstedt. Got tricked by Jimmy to hire Wannstedt. Jimmy knew that Wannstedt would fail sooner or later which made Jimmy, of course, look good. Wannstedt inherited a good team that went 11-5 but his lobster trap tricks wore out.

4. Whiffed on hiring Ron Wolf. Wolf will go into the Hall of Fame as one of the best football executives ever. What does Uncle Wayne do? Promote Rick Spielman and keep Bryan Weidmeier as Head of Football Operations.

5. Hires Joe Bailey to sell us on Dolphinsville while the team is going 4-12. Bailey's concern is telling us that there is a T.V. over every "John" at the stadium so we won't miss the action. Of course, he's proud of the Jumbotron to see up close from the Florida Turnpike, Reggie Howard get ting burned for another touchdown.

6. Chases Nick Saban down whose heart was clearly back in West Virginia. "There will be ONE voice".

7. Listens to Weidmeier and Bailey and hires Malcolm "Cam" Cameron. You know somethings wrong when a coach takes the night off during an exhibition game.  Then he takes game days off during the rest of the season.

8. Sobs in the booth after Brian Billick, who may have been pissed at his owner, Steve Biscotti, gives us a game to keep us from going 0-16.

9. Merges the New Jersey and Dallas Mafia and brings in Bill Parcells and some guy named Tony Sparano who has yet to grant interviews to the media. Zach Thomas is prompted to leave before he sleeps with the fishes.

10. Sells shares to Stephen Ross, who grew up as a Dolphins fan (look out, here we go again!) It seems like our most successful owner is from South Dakota (Joe Robbie).

Uncle Wayne has stole our money, and knocked the lustre off of an NFL franchise that had the best winning percentage in all of sports. For that, he is my least favorite CURRENT Dolphin.

Damnn Hurst  ;D ;D ;D    You want a blunt and a beer man..  Chillax brotha ;D ;D ;D

Gotta hand it to you ethurst. You took the words right outta my mouth.   By the way, it was cool talking to you on the phone.  I ever make it out to Denver, I'm buying the rounds.

 Tommy your ass should come to Miami and watch your freakin 'Noles lose  at Dolphin Stadium  ;D

Let's see, we beat your asses in the OB in 2006.  I think we could handle Dolphin Stadium quite well.

Not to  hijack this thread too much, but the FSU-Miami series has lost a lot of luster due to both team's slide into mediocrity. Speaking as someone with a UM degree hanging on the wall, I hope both programs get better very soon and the rivalry is restored to its former prominence, while the Gators eat a little humble pie.

And, to get back on track with this thread,  my least favorite dolphin still remains Derek Hagen. I hope he gets cut in training camp.

At the moment I would say Joey Porter. Maybe we still have Zach Thomas on the rooster if they hadn't overpaid for his ass last season. He needs to start earning that paycheck.........

Joey Porter might get the nod for me as well...possibly Hagan

Joey really started playing well coming close to the end of the season.  While it may seem that "yea sure the team has lost all hope has gotten to him"  I think if  Miami start to play  well Joey porter will be fine. He is still a hell of a LB. 

He played poorly at the beginning because they were using him as a defensive end, a position he was not used to.  Plus he missed pretty much all of training camp with an injury.  He could've gone in the final preseason game, but Camoron held him out.  I would've played him so he can get some work in. 

What I didn't like was his attitude.  He was told he couldn't stay in Pittsburgh after the Pittsburgh game, but he did anyway.  He also ripped Camoron in front of the entire team.  Any coach with a backbone would've punished him severely for both incidents.  Camoron fined him 2 grand for the Pittsburgh incident and didn't do squat for the other. 

I hope he realizes he will not get away with this crap with Sparano around.

Anyone of us here would have pull a Mutiny on CAMORON. 

That's the thing.  Camoron was not cut out to be a head coach.  He fined Porter two grand.  TWO GRAND!!!!  That's chump change with his $20 million guaranteed contract.  I would've benched his ass for two or three games without pay for defying me and staying in Pittsburgh after I told him not to. 

And if he ripped me, the coach, in front of the team, I would've sent his ass packing.  But then again, I wouldn't have let it get to the point where he would WANT to rip me. 

No doubt I was chuckling under my breath when I read that Joey had told Cameron to F**k off.........but that shows a serious lack of class. Just because he's got $20 Million Bucks doesn't mean he's not a Punk. He's just a rich Punk. Lets see him try that shit with Bill Parcells. His ass will have a huge Parcells sneaker print on it.

And that'e before he has to run the stairs of the entire stadium twice.

Now that McKinney is gone, I probably have to say Porter, as well.  He's expensive, he's not all that productive, and he isn't exactly a great role-model.

  Now that Olindo "blame it on the infield dirt" Mare is gone.  My least favorite CURRENT Dolphin is LB Joey Porter.  Selfish, arrogant, thuggish, overpaid, and just piss poor character.  You look up "locker room cancer" in the dictionary you'll see a picture of Joey Porter's mug.  Porter is the last kind of person this team needs in what will ultimately be a very young locker room.  It is my personal opinion that 2008 will be Joey Porter's last season in Miami.

I'm going to say Joey Porter as well.  For pretty much the same reasons that everyone else listed.

That one is EASY


John Beck by a landslide.

WHY?

He reminds me of SCAM CAMERON and his scam of not drafting Brady Quinn and sticking us with Ted Ginn and Beck.

Now he got his ass and the entire coaching staff FIRED and these 2 clowns are still here.

Yeah........that was Johns intention when he got drafted. To get Cameron and Company fired.  ::) You clearly have a bias against the kid and an agenda because your logic doesn't make any sense.

ALL THE DOLPHINS SUCK!!!
How else could the pull off a season like that!!!

Hi Patriots4Life....... bye Patriots4Life   ;D