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What do the Dolphins gain (other than fan satisfaction and a great story) by making the playoffs this year?

I think it was a foregone conclusion preseason that the Dolphins would be the AFC East cellar, barely breaking 5 wins.  Some of us even got laughed at when we predicted a 0.500 finish.

However, now that the playoffs are in sight and *gasp* possibly a division title, I gotta ask - What's the point?

Does anyone here really think that the Dolphins have the tools to beat the likes of Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Indy, or Tennessee?  We'll be one-and-done.  All the while putting our draft pick for 2009 in the 20's.  For a rebuilding team, this is catastrophic.

Now, I'm not recommending the Dolphins sandbag and drop the next 2 on purpose in favor of a higher draft pick.  That's a NFL mortal sin.  However, logistically, as a fan - this team playing a first-place schedule next season has me in fits.  It delays the rebuilding to a championship level by 2 or 3 seasons, by solidifying next season's record back to sub-500 status.

Don't get me wrong, I think this team has made great strides in the right direction, but I keep going back to the fact that we've played one of the league's weakest schedules.  Only 6 games up to now (out of 14) against teams above 0.500 and we've lost all but two (Denver and New England).  Assuming the Dolphins win the division and make the playoffs as the #3 seed (cause Denver sucks more), we'll likely draw Indy or Baltimore in the wild card round.  Both of these teams could trounce the Dolphins if they wanted to, and one of them already has.

So I ask you, is it really worth it to mortgage our future seasons just to have a feel-good story this year?

Some people are too Blind to look at the big picture,and too many Fair wether fans Spent too much Cash on Dolphins Gear in the past,see other than us Getting back to the playoffs....Winning record...Stuff like that....I would have been very happy with 6 wins this year,Estatic over 8 wins...Now,I'm a little worried that the Media is gonna jump all over us next year,It will be the Vogue thing to Pick the Dolphins for a big Playoff run,too many Fans will buy into it....Then Will get a big let down,if we don't make the playoffs,or fall back...

We've touched on this the past few weeks on TDMMC Saturday night.....

I don't think the little bit further Miami's sliding down the draft order a little bit due to their overachieving is going to hurt much at all, much less be "catastrophic." We're talking about the difference between maybe 18-19 and 23-24 here and, looking back at past first rounds, I think you can get the same quality player in one slot as the other.

With Miami having Ireland and Sparano picking players, I am not so worried about it...because I am confident that they will select a player who fits what they're trying to build here.

So, to answer the question...yeah, I think after last year, a feel good story like this year is a good thing and don't think we're mortgaging any part of the future by writing the story.

A chance to win the SB. 

Did anyone think that the 2001 Patriots would be anything but one and done?  I can't confirm this but it is rumored BB remarked after the SB, "I won the SB with this team?"

The Giants had zero chance last year of even getting to the SB let alone winning it.  I don't even know why any of the teams even bothered showing up for the playoffs last year everyone knew after the Patriots defeated the Colts week 10 who was going to win the SB.

There was no way the wild card 2005 Steelers were going any where.  Why even bother playing?

The Dolphins might not make the playoffs they, they might go one and done.  But you have to play to win. 

Brian your post makes no sense. 

I'm going to disagree..The Giants thought themselves Superbowl contenders,it's the Media gave them no chance....I also think it's exposes the teams that played the Weaker schedule....Those teams in the past that tend to have a great record,yet,didn't really play alot of Quality teams....

i agree with "mgwah" .. brian .. you're on crack ..

winning is the point of winning .. win every possible game you can and go as far as you can

losing serves no purpose

And Chad Pennington, Joey Porter, Ricky Williams, Parcells, Saprano, etc have told you they don't think of themselves as SB contenders. 

Once again fans and media. 

Any player or coach on the Dolphin's squad that doesn't think they can win the SB, should not be in the NFL.  Same deal for any player or coach on any team that is not completely eliminated. 

And you just made my point.... ::)

We really didn't play anybody...Doesn't mean we can win against the big boys..The Best team we've played all year is The Ravens..

But the Point Just because they Believe it, doesn't make it true.....The Cincinnati Bengals thought they were Superbowl contenders too...

I'd prefer to Just miss the Playoffs this year,than take the Chances of a 62-7 type game...(I think we could beat a team like Denver again,but thier record is just about as weak as Ours IMO)

As for beating nobody.  You beat last years AFC Champions.  And if the Dolphins win the division it will be by beating the a Farve lead offense. 

As for missing the playoffs vs losing 62 - 7 in the playoffs.  That is a personal preference.  I personally was trilled with the '85 Patriots season.  We got destroyed in the SB, but it was the first time my team was ever in the big dance.  I would rather have a season like the Pats had last year than the one the Dolphins did.  The SB loss was disappointing but the Patriots had great season, better than 30 other teams, only one team had a better season.  I think the Bills fans should be proud of their teams 4 times back to back wins of the AFCCG, not embarrassed by 4 SB losses. 

There's bit of a difference...We were 1-15 last year,Let's not Kid ourselves....We're not one of the top teams,Our Record is inflated by winning against Bottom feeders....(and we haven't exactly been putting any of them away convicingly....

The 2005 Steelers were 15-1 in 2004....They had a Reason to Believe they could do it...They didn't Gut 3/4 of their Roster.....The Giants Were 8-8 in 2006,and play in tough Division....(Which I think Helped them in the Playoffs...)

As much I think the Win against the Pats early in the year was good,It was Against Matt Cassel starting his second third game in like a decade...Even the Game Against Baltimore,Flacco has seen more,and Grown up alot since then...

I actually Predict the Jets to Lose to Seattle this weekend....The Jet's are pretenders also....

Yes, I want Miami in the playoffs. I think anyone who thinks otherwise isn't a real fan. Not wanting them to make the playoffs in essence means you want them to lose games. I never want Miami to lose games.

the argument of convincingly vs. unconvincingly is crap

we beat the 49ers .. was it convincing ? .. absolutely it was .. i was very convinced that after the game was over we had won

or would you rather have a result like the jets did against the 49ers ..

there's also no such thing as "overperforming" or "underperforming" .. a team is exactly as good as it's record states .. no more and no less. The dolphins are a 9-5 team and if they win out .. they are a 11-5 team .. that's the end of it .. period .. end of story

as far as talking about this season's record as "inflated" .. what does that mean .. it's not inflated .. there isn't a bunch of hot air behind our record .. our record is exactly what it is we beat who we're supposed to beat .. that makes us better than all the teams that haven't.

do you think the jets record is inflated as well since they played the same teams we did ?

I can't believe I'm reading some of these posts....no one thought we were going to pull off this type of season...looks like no one believes we can make it anywhere in the playoffs either....I believed we would have this sort of season, and I believe if we do make the playoffs, we can win at least one playoff game...say we play Baltimore...they stomped us good the first go around, but I think the team and coaches learned from that...they won't have the same game plan...Indy isn't all that impressive to me, I think we have a shot at beating them...they have barely gotten past some pretty poor teams as well...all of that is for naught if we don't make the playoffs though.

So to answer you question, hell yes I really want to make the playoffs.

I look at teams like the Titans and see teams that pull wins out of their ass.  I don't see one team in this league that is vastly superior to another.  

Making the playoffs gives you a SHOT.  I personally want that shot.  

Why the hell would any Miami Dol-fan not want the Phins to make the playoffs??...This team could win in the playoffs.....the defense hasn't given up a TD in 3 games.... 10 turnovers for the ENTIRE season....sounds like a playoff team to me.

The Phins are going to have the greatest single season turn around in NFL history....the playoffs are a great reward for the guys who busted their asses in camp and during the season to WIN football games and go from 1-15 to 11-5.

It also gives the young guys the experience of post-season play...Miami will be a contender for years to come (thanks to Parcells/Ireland/Sparano), so post-season action would be good for the guys who never played in a playoff game...why have them play in their 1st post-season game when Miami is 13-3??...get some experience now, see what the atmosphere of the playoffs is like and go from there...if Miami wins out GREAT, if not it is a learning experience to build on.

I foresee alot of fans with Broken hearts.....If we don't make it....


Yep,Just like The Patriots record too..We all Played the two worst Divisons in Football.....

Maybe so, but it can't be worse than last year...I'm already happy with this years performance.

^^I never said I wasn't happy with this years performance...I'm ecstatic about How well we've played..We've won...

I wrote this post to generate discussion.  Looks like I did my job.

Please note - I am not trying to say "hey, let's all root for the Dolphins to lose" - you must be nutty if you think that's the point.  I was more trying to point out that making the playoffs this season will have an adverse affect going forward.  Sure it gives you a CHANCE to win the Super Bowl, albeit a small one.  

I guess my main point is that, watching every Dolphins' game as I have, I don't see us as a team that can hold a candle to Pittsburgh.  I think we could possibly beat Indy at home, maybe a 40% chance against the Ravens at home.  I think Denver is an easy win, and Tennessee could really go either way, although we'd probably lose.

I just don't think this team is playing at the status of the league's elite yet.  Yes, they win games, but winning isn't the only thing.  An elite team should bring the Raiders in at home and demolish them.  An elite team should beat the Rams by 35.  The Dolphins seem to get an early lead and sit back and play defense.  The saving grace is that (a) the defense has stepped up and been playing pretty friggin' well and (b) the opponents are crap and can't mount a come back.  Wait until that's Peyton Manning on the other side of the ball, and see what's what.

I don't think any of you are looking beyond January.  It'll be great to get some extra games out of the season, but I'd rather see us come out next year and be 14-2 and crush everyone.  

Besides, all I need to hear is Tommy calling for Sparano's head on a daily basis should the Dolphins go 4-12 next season against a first place schedule.

^^^ here is the flaw in the logic on I would rather have a 3rd place schedule next year than the 1st place schedule cause it gives us a better chance to win big next year....

1) it is only two games

2) if you can't make the playoffs playing the first place schedule you probably aren't strong enough to go far in the playoff anyhow. 

Playing good teams during the season helps the team prepare for the post-season, even while decreasing the odds of winning that particular game. 

Want to win the SB next year?  Then be prepared to beat the Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Titans, and Jets to get there. 

If two extra tough games scare ya, you are not sb material.   

Assuming the Dolphins make the playoffs they will be the underdog.  No one will expect them to win so if they do win a game or two, it will be a bonus.  If they lose big time, no one expected them to win anyway.

Somehow, I think you just agreed with me....

I agree with you insofar as I think the chance of Pennington hoisting a Lombardi this year is remote.  I disagree with you that the Dolphins missing the playoffs helps them for next year. 

Don't think too hard........they could drop 40+ points on you on any given week.

I personally don't look at anything in life in this way.  Had the Giants looked at things this way they wouldn't have showed up for last year's Super Bowl.  They did and punched NE right in the mouth.

A couple weeks ago we had a guy roll through the gym for some workouts.  He's ten years younger than I am and has fought on undercards for MMA PPV events.  He's one of those guys that might, or might not, crack the big time.  On the national MMA stage he's okay - which makes him the best fighter in the state on a little stage like Portland, Maine.  He wanted someone to throw with and everyone was too intimidated to get into the ring with him.  I thought "F it" and did.  I got my ass handed to me and ended up tapping out, but it was the third time he got that lock on me, I got out of it twice.  I also knocked him down four times before he got the best of me.  Had I connected a little more tightly with one of the backhands that knocked him down I would have knocked him out.

My point is that until you actually get on the mat you have no clue what's going to happen.

Pittsburgh isn't all it's cracked up to be.  Both teams (Miami and Pitt) play great (Pitt) and good (Miami) defense.  Miami's offense is a little better, in my opinion.  Big Ben is turnover happy.  The Steelers defense is turnover happy as well, but here's the rub - Miami doesn't turn the ball over.  

I don't see a team in the AFC that Miami wouldn't have a realistic chance to beat.  I see strengths and weaknesses in all teams, including Miami.  It would take a big effort to beat Pittsburgh, but it can be done.

Yes.  Making the playoffs establishes the team as a winner.  Free agents are more likely to sign with a winner.  Missing the playoffs and moving up a couple spots in the draft isn't really worth it, especially the way the dolphins have been drafting in the first round, beck, allen, ginn, brown.  Moving up a couple spots just means paying a little bit more for an average player.

I also just thought that making it to the playoffs puts the Dolphins back on prime time tv.

This, in itself, is a good reason to hope for the playoffs...more games to cheer for the Phins!!



Harsh, but completely true... I think the teams who are most likely to win a Super Bowl are teams who get battle tested hard down the stretch and through the playoffs.



And the fat kid from section 214 could run for 150 and a pair of scores against the broncos, and probably not spill his jumbo soda.

  Hell Yeah, I want too see the Dolphins make the playoffs!  How awesome would that be after the kind of year Dolphins fans had to suffer through last year?  For those worried about draft position, keep in mind one thing.  It's not about where you draft, but HOW you draft.  Given the current results of this regime's 2008 Draft Class, I don't see how it could be an issue.

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I agree with everything Hoodie said in this thread.

why is it every time someone says something like this ......


 :-* ;D

it always comes with something like this


 >:(

Add another one agreeing with Hoodie. 

the one year where the entire AFC is wide freaking open, and people are debating whether or not its a good idea to make it to the playoffs???

let me see, no brady, indy is not very good, kerry collins  ???, baltimore does have a rookie qb, pitt is solid but not overwhelmingly good, etc... there is not a single team that will be in the tournament that you can look at and say, boy no way in hell the fins can win that one.

as to the argument that making the playoffs is somehow detrimental to the long term success of the team, huh??? its funny how these "name brand" teams that folks are sooo scared seeing the fins play, whom always pick in the later parts of the rounds, are always freaking good. why is that?? could it be because they have people in place that know how to acquire and develop talent no matter where they find them?

if we were to follow the logic here, damn, the lions would best team in the nfl.

I think this is where we differ....

You look at "wow, 7 wins in 8 games, we must be the best team ever!"

I look at "nice, we won 7 our of 8, but we're still not THAT good of a team"

I think if you take a step back, stop being a fan for a second, and take an objective look at the team, you will realize that, hey, maybe the Dolphins aren't that good, and maybe they're just setting us all up for heartbreak again, like they do every other year.

I challenge you on this.  Due to what has happened in the past I think that you are not looking objectively as this team.  You're doing what you are accusing others of; looking at this team as a fan that has had his heart broken too often in the past.

What part of Miami "isn't that good?"  The potentially historic lack of turnovers on offense?  10 for the year, so far - the NFL record is 14.  The QB was a QB rating of 93 with over 3,000 yards passing and closing in on 15 TDs?  The running back duo, both with over 500 yards?  The wide receiving core that no one would know with out a jersey on that seems to make big play after big play?  The defense that has not allowed a touchdown in three games (two of which were on the road)?

Does Miami have some glaring holes?  Yes.  Pretty horrific at 3rd and long.  That said there is another side to that coin, they aren't taking chances and that is paying off.  Special teams is a little scary.  But that secondary is starting to ramp up.  The linebacker play is getting better.  We lack a pass rush, but the run defense is improving. 

I can poke massive holes in the Titans, Steelers, Patriots (who we beat, mind you), Denver and any other AFC playoff bound team.

This is not 2007.  Shit, this isn't 2002.  I challenge YOU to stop looking at this team as yesterday's team and appreciate the potential that THIS YEAR'S team brings to the table.  That isn't coming from a rose colored glasses place, that's coming from a realistic view point.

This team could make some noise in the playoffs. 

And even if they were one and done, so fucking what?  Miami was one and FIFTEEEN a year ago.  And you're complaining that they might get outclassed in the playoffs?

That's like starving to death and someone handing you food and you bitching because it doesn't have mayo on it.  Pretty silly, really.

i don't recall ever saying anything like that, and you're mistaken in your assertion that thats what i think.

the dolphins beat some good teams, lost to some bad ones, same as every other contender this year in the afc. its a parity  league, and without a true head and shoulders better team this year in the afc (brady pats or colts), it is truly wide open.

its fun as a dolfan to FINALLY be back in the conversation heading into late december. i hate bagging on the miami fanbase, because personally i watch and follow the team no matter what (and i know that a significant number do as well), but... with the silly logic to this thread you realize why the team would have trouble selling out a home playoff game with what seems forever ago now. i mean if you're not the #1 seed, what's the point right???

I would agree with the Patsies and Broncos, but I think that the Titans and the Steelers are both teams that fall into the "that team will kick our ass" group. I'm happy as hell the way Miami has played this season, and I WANT them to make the playoffs (just to clinch Sparano's coach of the year award)...but I have no expectations at this point. We've exceeded all estimations that we had for this season, and if we make it to the playoffs and go one and done...then, to quote Happy Harry Hardon..."So be it!" Making the playoffs won't affect our rebuilding job in any significant negative way. Conversely, a little taste of the playoffs would be good for the young players on the roster...get them to feel like they "belong" in the playoffs...every season.

So... Go Phins!! Pick up David's sling and chuck a sharp rock at the big ugly fukker's head!!

Maine, I AM looking at this season.  Granted, I may be jaded by ghosts of seasons past, but how can you blame me?

Let's look at the Patriots.  We killed them in New England, mostly because of a "gadget" formation they had never seen before an had no way to stop.  No adjustment, and a backup QB making just his 2nd start.  Not surprising - that week New England was a BAD team.

That same New England team, now with a QB 10 starts deep, came into our house and wiped the turf with us.

If that's an indication of what we'll see in the playoffs, I'm not sure I want to endure another 62-7 smashing at the hands of a team we "should be able to beat".

Not saying I wouldn't be elated as hell to watch them take the AFC East banner into the postseason, but I guess the agony of these type of losses hurt me infinitely more than the joy of some accomplishment that, at the end of the day, really doesn't mean anything.

Just the Way I see this....
Where are the quality wins? Who did we beat,that makes you guy’s we can beat the elite teams in the league?

New England Patriots?- Matt Cassel was Starting his Second game since High school, when we played them….When we Played them in Miami 6 weeks later they rolled up 48 points against us…..

The San Diego Chargers?  West coast team playing ion the east coast, Gimpy L.Tomlinson,No Shawn Merriman,…They fired their Defensive Coodinator  lik3 3 weeks later….They aren’t the Dominating Chargers they’ve been in years past…

Buffalo Bills, in Miami The Bills Best Corner was coming off Knee injury, Missing their Best Pass rusher Arron Schobel Ginn had a big Game…Game Two In Toronto, Could we get a bigger advantage…Not even in Buffalo, in a dome, Playing Against the Back up Qb….

Denver Broncos?  Ok maybe except Denver was Missing Champ Baily, Lost D.J Williams, M.Mcree,and Starting Running Back M.Pittman….Their Defense was already sucking…..

Seattle Seahawks? Another West Coast Teams Traveling from the Most Northwest Corner of the Lower 48 states,to the Most SE point in the Lower 48 states, Playing with their 3rd,and 4th Wr’s and Back up Qb that was injured…..Win by 3 points

Oakland Raiders? Wow How many west coast teams had to make this journey already? Not exactly a scarey team,With A beat up Darren Mcfaddon,and J. Russell…A last minute 2 point win….

At  St Louis?…Yeah it was a road game, but Steven Jackson (probably their best player) couldn’t even play the 4th quarter,after returning from missing the past 3  games?

The SF 49ers? Another west coast team, Missing there biggest offensive weapon in Frank Gore….

So which one of these wins am I supposed to hang my hat on, as a Game that makes us in the Class of those Elite teams? How many Franchise Qb’s  have we played? Jay Cutler….

Now we’re missing probably our best Wr, and (Possibly) our Best O-lineman…

I just feel like Too many Dolphin fans se us win a few games ,and think we can beat anyone...When we lose they want to get rid of half the team....

Flame away....

I considered that line of thinking flawed.  And I also say it is the flip side of Dolphin fans celebrating last years superbowl as if it was the '72 superbowl.

Losing 62-7 in the superbowl is better than than losing the AFCCG.  Losing the AFCCG is better than losing on division weekend.  Losing on division weekend is better than losing on wildcard weekend.  And going one and done in the playoffs is better than not playing in the playoffs.  And going 18-1 is better than going 1-15.

Only one team's fan base is truly going to be happy this year.  But you seem to be saying, "I would rather face disappointment at the meadowlands week 17, than the following week or the week after that."  Odds are you are going to be disappointed at some point.  But why not have as much fun, for as long as you can before the disappointment hits? 



 

Hoodie, I give you props. You are a true football fan, and the times I have really gotten pissed at you were in political threads that have nothing to do with football. I shouldnt let that carry over to the football threads.

Anyway, I was talking with my rep with the Phins, and I asked him what the buzz was down there about the playoffs. He told me that the team attitude was 3 words..."Why not us?"

I think that sums it up very nicely. We control our own destiny, and we can do it. So, we win out, why the hell NOT us?

OF COURSE you want to get into the playoffs.  However, the way the NFL is now, what will be worth watching is what we do next year.  Teams will have an entire year worth of film to look at.  Remember Wanny and Nick the Dick?  Great first years, huge expectations, declining records.  Remember if we win the division we'll have to play Pittsburgh Denver and Tennessee next year all three of them will be tough to beat even if their records are worse next year than they are this year. 

I think there's a good chance of a "sophomore slump", if only because the Dolphins have overperformed this year. Yeah, yeah, a win is a win and all that counts is your record. Fine, but that has lower correlation with future performance than any number of other metrics - and by all those, we overperformed.

And that's even disregarding the HUGE scheduling issue. There's just no way we get as easy a schedule next year - not because of how we've done this year, but simply because we're not going to be matched with the AFC West and NFC West (both of whom could still wind up sending an 8-8 division champ to the playoffs!).

Instead of the Cardinals, 49ers, Seahawks and Rams we'll face the Panthers, Falcons, Buccaneers and Saints. That's a jump from 18 combined wins to 36 combined wins (using todays standings). Any way you look at it, that's going to be a lot tougher.

And instead of the Broncos, Chargers, Raiders and Chiefs, we'll see the Titans, Colts, Texans and Jaguars. That's a jump in combined wins from 19 to 35. No doubt a much harder group of teams, baring some collective collapses, of course.

Our best hope is to parley our over-achievement into luring some quality free agents. Otherwise, I'd be content with 8-8 next year.

i can see it now... dolphins playing in a frigid game where they never have success, tough crowd on the road, against a team with nothing to lose, etc...

they lose, omg this team sucks, they can't even beat the chiefs, told you so, blah blah blah

they win, big deal, its not like they beat the steelers or something. that team sucks, they haven't played anybody, wait till next week, blah blah blah

the freaking fickle dolphin fans can't enjoy anything with this team, and will never be happy with anything. the act is soooo tired, like crabby, cranky old men and reminds me of those debbie downer skits on snl. good grief, not only can we find ways to dismiss unexpected success this year, but now we are looking at how this will foreshadow crappy teams the next few years.

Q.F.T.

Glad someone said it

QFT.  Those two divisions scare me.  I've said this in another thread, but I'll say it here. 

Tennessee-  Best record in the AFC.  Plays just like our team this year, but with far superior talent on both sides of the ball.   

Indianapolis-  Peyton Manning, Joseph Addai, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, and Dallas Clark.  That'll keep a lot of defensive coordinators up at night.

Jacksonville-  A good team having a bad season.  I expect them to rebound strongly next year. 

Houston- Always finds a way to beat the Dolphins.

Carolina- DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart is a more talented version of R&R.  Plus, Steve Smith is better than Ted Ginn will ever be. 

Tampa Bay- Another stiff defense, with a plethora of talented runners and a QB who can hurt you with his legs as well as his arm. 

Atlanta-  Matt Ryan, Roddy White, and Michael Turner are all young and blossoming.  They will lay waste to a lot of opposing defenses next season. 

New Orleans- Already doing what Atlanta aspires.  Drew Brees firing to Marques Colston and Devery Henderson, along with Reggie Bush bunny hopping around the ends and Pierre Thomas busting up the middle would scare the daylights out of any defensive coordinator. 

Now.... let's assume we beat the Jets and win the division.  We would then face: 

Pittsburgh-  That defense can stop General Patton's tanks.   Nuff said. 

Denver/San Diego-  Another scary offense that will have revenge on it's mind/A very talented team that underachieved (see Jacksonville)

I agree with Maine's earlier post.

The supposedly "elite" teams this year would get stomped unmercifully by the powerhouse teams of years past.  I have said that TEN is a smokescreen from day 1 (Kerry Collins? Seriously?), and I fully expect them to get bounced in their first playoff game.  PIT is similarly flawed; they depend on teams to choke away the game and beat themselves (as DAL did against PIT), which is not a long-term solution, IMO.  I think IND is the best team in the AFC right now, and they are the weakest they've been in years.  BAL has an untested rookie QB.  DEN rivals the '99 Seahawks (the last team Marino beat) as the worst playoff team I can recall.

Is MIA flawed?  Yes.  But any of the AFC teams in the playoffs this year would lose by two touchdowns to the '07 Patriots or '06 Colts.  So if we're going to make a run, there's no time like the present.

Steelers Defense,Titans Defense (especailly if they get Vandenbocsh(sp?),and Haynesworth back before game one),Ravens Defense >>>>> K.C. Defense.....

The Titans' defense gave up more points to the Jets than our defense did.

Obviously we can play this game all day long, but the point is that neither one of those teams are particularly legendary.  The playoff field this year is pretty forgettable.

Jesus Christ this this post is fucking Pathetic.  The Dolphins make you Cry huh?   Time to lose that mind frame and get behind the team for a change...........unbelievable ..........

Give me a fucking break. This ain't the Lions. We got Parcells and you knew it was gonna get better. No one knew it would turn around so fast though. You are Pathetic. I really believe you are rooting for the Jets so you can all tell us I told you so.  We are having a dream season and you want to chuck it for 5 -6 slots in the draft.  Parcells found Bess as a walk on! Look at the value we got in the second round last year. Good god man, for once just enjoy the Dolphins and what they have acomplished.

WELL YOU CAN LOCK THIS TOPIC NOW...   FINS IN DA PLAYOFFS BIATCHES  :P :P :P :P

Thats what I'm talking about!  From here on in its all good!! >:D

Still worth it too make the playoffs

I have to agree.