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I haven't looked at it in awhile, but it's been 3 years since we had a new inductee.

Why is it that every few months we have a thread asking this?

Ok Philly.  Beers to you on the scroll by the way.

I'm glad he asked first  :)

You guys could easily double that list just from this decade alone. Wanny, Spielman, Dick Satan, Culpepper, Jamar Fletcher, Fiedler, Feeley (the QB not the kicker), Camoron, Mueller, do I really need to go on?

We're lazy.  That's pretty much it.

My brother was writing the story.  It got slowed somehow.

You should just induct the years 1996-2007

The ring of dishonor is for truly terrible players.  The only person on that list who deserves consideration is Cameron.

I'm not sure Fiedler deserves it.  Especially considering that we put in a QB who replaced him when he got injured. 

Fiedler does NOT deserve it.  I'm not even sure Cameron deserves it.  I'd say Wanny is a shoe-in.  Maybe Saban,  Wannstedt was responsible for both Eddie Moore and Jamar Fletcher, along with other gems such as Reggie Howard.  I think Wanny is next up.

The trouble is, lately he hasn't been feeling like it.  I mean, he used to do one every year... sometimes twice a year.  Now it's been three years. 

I'm aching for a new member.

Not only that, his decision making led to the 1-15 team. When he was hired, the dolphins were a respectable team, when he left, they were the laughing stock of the league.

I have written a perfectly viable speech for Wanny.  I don't know why Dave doesn't use that. 

LOL, yea Wannstedt was responsible for the 1-15 team. He is also responsible for the outbreak of swine flu and the death of Michael Jackson.

um - if you don't think that all the years of botched Wannstedt drafts had anything to do with 1-15, you're wrong.

Bingo!!!!

I am pretty sure he also is the reason we invaded Iraq.

The coach who went 0-15-1 in regulation play (I refuse to give him that win) doesn't deserve the ROD but Wanny does, even after winning a playoff game...that's interesting.

Cam Cameron IS a walking ROD

Another reason why this current ROD has taken so long is because we'd largely written one, but decided to hold off to see if the Dolphins would go winless.  If they did, they'd have been an instant add, just like the Undefeated team in the Ring of Honor.

What kind of retarded crap is this?  How can you "refuse" to give him the win?  They won the game, done and done.

While they did "win the game" it would also be very accurate (although petty) to say that the Dolphins was the first team since the scheduled was expanded to 16 games to fail to win a single game during regulation time. 

they also lost two other games in overtime that year though.  So shouldn't they be 0-13-3 by the same logic?  Just curious.

Don't encourage him. 

So why not pick up where you left off once the team won a game?  Just a thought.   ;)

By your "logic", I guess last years amazing turnaround from 1-15 to 11-5 was because of Nick Saban??.....Personally I give ALL the credit to Bill Parcells/Ireland and Coach Sparano! ;)

Wannstedt is a much better Head Coach then Camoron will EVER be.  If anyone deserves to be in the ROD it's Malcom Cam Cameron!

No one said that Cam didn't have a hand in it....  But during the 1-15 season (2007), they kept showing graphics on TV about how many Dolphins draft picks were still on the team...  It was something like 2 guys from the pre-Saban years (prior to 2005; Yeremiah Bell and Vernon Carey).  Include the Saban drafts and the it adds 4 more players (Crowder, Ronnie, Matt Roth and J-Allen).  Ricky Williams was the longest-tenured Dolphin player at 5 years.

You can NOT win games picking up re-tread, cast-off bums from other teams to FILL your 53-man roster.  Two players on the team drafted prior to 2005.  Two players on the team who are home-grown talent.  Everyone else is someone else's reject...

^^^You forget the gap in between the eras, because the team also still had a few Jimmy guys on it (Zach and Jason).  But yeah, the Wannstedt, Saban, and now Cameron/Mueller drafts were a bunch of nothing...

^^^ you're right - for some reason I thought Zach and Jason were already gone in 2007...

I understand where JTex is coming from. The ONLY reason the Fins win the Ravens game is because Brian Billick was for whatever insane reason just too cowardly to go for it on 4th and goal from inside the one. had he decided to do so, there's no doubt the Ravens score the game winning TD and the Fins go 0-16. And even after THAT the Ravens got the ball first in OT and Matt Stover missed a kick he never misses. Cam had absolutely nothing to do with any of that--the football gods just decided the Fins were going to win that day and that was that.

There's something called Pythagorean wins some of you might have heard of where after a season how many games a team "should" have won is tallied up based on points scored VS points allowed. Turns out the '07 Fins *should've* won 4 games. "But wait a second 316," you ask, "You already said they should've lost the Ravens game!" And thisis true. The games they should've won were the Redskins (any loss in OT is by definition winnable), the Steelers (any 3-0 loss is by definition winnable), the Texans (Cam decides to punt instead of having Feeley attempt what would've been the go ahead FG late and the Texans kick a 50-plus yard FG to win anyway) and the first Bills game (maybe the most winnable loss of them all).

In other words CaMORON was so bad, so awful, so downright pathetically putrid a coach, he took a bad team and made them one of the worst in NFL history!!!

BTW how many of his draft picks accomplished anything? Ginn and Soliai are only around because the Fins have literally nobody else to fill their spots. I think every other pick is off the roster just 2 years later! That's as bad as any of Wanny's draft clunkers!

FYI last year's team *should've* finished 9-7 (I think we all know they got a bit lucky in some of those close scrapes against bad teams) but I'd rather see a team overachieve by 2 or 3 games than underachieve by that much any day!

Not only did CaMORON elect to punt in that Texans game rather than kick the field goal, but he also mismanaged the clock late in the game, putting him in that position.  The way he blew that game sealed my opinion of him. 

I watched that live and I was furious. Just everything about that sequence...Cam not allowing a kicker who had until that point had never missed a FG all season to not even attempt the go-ahead kick late in a tie game because he was scared that a miss (in a dome, where the opposing kicker was having no trouble hitting 50-plus yard kicks all day) would set up the Texans for an easy game winning FG of their own, punting, and seeing the Texans just casually drive down and win with a FG anyway was just...I wanted him fired on the spot  >:(  >:(  >:(

It's yet another example in NFL history of how playing to win gets you the win while playing not to lose gets you beat.

Is it too early to induct   Cam Camoron.  The man who orchestrated the worst season in Miami Dolphin history.  Its as bad when Jimmy agreed to terms on Yatil Green.   Well not that bad.

What bout Satan ( Good Ole Nick )

As for the time spent on these Boards, everyone here wants Dave Wannadouche on the ROD. 

PPL want Wannsted head more than Camoron.

 ??? ??? ???

Exactly.  The game is tied, Ronnie Brown was playing lights out, Trent Green had already been knocked out of the game, and you've just gotten a first down at the Houston 39 with the clock running down to two minutes. 

Any coach with half a brain would've let the clock go to the two minute warning, then given Ronnie the ball three times.  If he doesn't get you the first down (and he probably would've), he would've gotten you close enough to kick the field goal, and have Houston burn all their timeouts in the process. 

What did Camoron do?  He ran another play before the two minute warning, then after the two minute warning, he throws two passes, both of which were incomplete, that took only five seconds off the clock.  Then he punted.  The result was, Houston got the ball on their 20 with 1:55 left and all their timeouts.  Not surprisingly, they marched down the field for the winning score.

Is is possible that we could elect a member of the board to ROD instead?

Yeah.  I nominate Maine for locking too many threads in the Other Sports forum and for being a stinkin' Red Sox fan.   ;D

On a more serious note, if we were to get a board member elected, it would be Spongebob, hands down.

SpongeBob is not a board member...

Put 'em all in there...Cam, ESPECIALLY SATAN, and Wanny...hell put Lemon in there too.  After I was at that Bills game they should have won, and saw Ginn open all day without Lemon pulling the trigger, I say do it.

Jimmy Johnson.

 Nawww ,  the only thing bad i should say bout JJ.   He wanted to get rid of Dan and he wasted a draft pick on Yatil Green.  Oh and he bailed on the fins ..   ROD naww

And trading down to draft John Avery when he could've had Randy Moss if he stood pat.  And coming in like a bully all big and bad promising to deliver a Super Bowl then leaving town with his tail tucked in between his legs. 

I really have nothing good to say about the pork-faced devil. 

Lots of people passed on Randy Moss that day.  If I remember right, Moss fell to 21 because he had off-the-field problems.  Maybe 18?  I forget.  Anyway, the Dolphins were obviously right in line with the approximately 20 other owners not willing to take the risk on Moss.  That, and RB was a huge need for the Dolphins that year.

The big thing I dislike about Jimmy is the way he treated Marino towards the end, and the hiring of Dave Wannstedt as "assistant head coach" (also known as "my replacement").

I think it would be me.  I've been nominated before

I second ;) Just bustin' your balls. But seriously. without Jimmy Johnson, there would have been no Wanny, and no 1-15 season... Butterfly effect.

This isn't accurate.  Moss was expected to be gone by the time our pick came.  He didn't trade down TO draft Avery, either.  I agree, Avery was a bad pick, but the trade was made ahead of time, before Moss slid.

Are you sure about this?

I thought the trade was made when the Dolphins hit the clock...  As I remember it (all from memory) the Fins had #16 and when they hit the clock they dealt down with the Packers - I think to 21.  The Vikes, at 18, took Moss.

I could be wrong.

Anyone know who we ended up getting as the second half of the trade-down?

Edit - More info:

The Dolphins had 19, and traded down to 29 from Green Bay.  The Vikings had 21.  The Packers took Vonnie Holliday at 19 and gave Miami their second round pick (60 overall), which Miami traded to Detroit (who used that pick for Charlie Batch), in exchange for 2 5th rounders and a 6th rounder.  So, trading down 10 spots in the first round netted the Dolphins:
- LB Brad Jackson
- G Scott Shaw
- QB John Dutton

Awesome draft there, Jimmy. ::)

^^ You had me 2nd guessing myself, Brian, so I did some research.

Here is a line from an article in the L.A. Times from 1998:
Miami Coach Jimmy Johnson traded his 19th pick to Green Bay for the 29th selection in Round 1 before Saturday's festivities, and said later, "We wouldn't have taken Moss if he had been there at No. 19."

He says he wouldn't have taken him anyway, but he was never given the opportunity.  You can't say that you would've taken him, though, even if you would've.

While researching, I also saw in those articles that Moss was expected to be a top 5 pick.

^^^ Word

My memory of that draft is all fuzzy.  I remember wondering why this WR from Marshall was falling, and the talking heads kept saying he was a locker room problem and had off-the-field issues.  Top 5 talent, yes, but it comes at a price.