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It's decision time. It's their bye week, so they would have 2 weeks to prepare a gameplan for Tebow and put it in place. If they don't do it now, they are pretty much stuck with Sanchez for the rest of the year as you simply can't just put in Tebow without also changing the offense to suit Tebow and it's gonna be really hard to do that in a week's time.

The Jets are still built to be a power run team and Tebow is a power running back. The weather in NY is gonna start turning bad and a running team with Tebow at QB probably has a better chance at turning around the offense then a pass-happy Jets team with Sanchez at QB and the Jet receivers.

What do they have to lose at this point? At 3-5 with games against Seattle and New England coming up, unless they win one of those 2 games, their chances of making the playoffs are practically non-existant. They would have to run the table in the rest of their games to have a realistic shot if they lost both of those games.

I would do it. At the very least it would make the fans happy for at least a couple weeks and give them something to talk about other than being 3-5 during the bye week. I don't really believe that Tebow is a winner anymore than I believed that Sanchez was a winner when he was getting the Jets to the AFC championship game, but I do believe that Tebow is a good running back if not a good QB, but he needs to start to show it. Coming off the bench for a play or 2 here or there won't cut it. Put him in. Run the ball. Challenge your defense to step up. It's now or never.

The only downside I see would be that you're basically admitting that Sanchez is not the future of the franchise, but the Jets have got to be getting close to that realization now anyway. He's had 4 years. He hasn't improved. It's time for them to make a switch. If not to Tebow then to someone else in the offseason for sure, so does it really matter if that happens now or at the end of the season?

The Jets are done this year.  So are the Eagles.  The Chargers are not far behind.

They should start Tebow so I can get extra enjoyment watching them lose. What a mess they are.

Good god, please let them start Tebow so we, as a nation, can finally move on the path to recovery from this horrible affliction.

Tebow must be allowed to fail (or succeed, I suppose) before they can FINALLY SHUT UP ABOUT HIM.

Before answering the questions, let me first say how happy it makes me that this is happening to the Jets.  When they traded for Tebow earlier this year, I was hoping for just this "worst case" scenario of a QB controversy after they gave Sanchez a big contract. 

As a Dolphin fan, here's what I'm hoping for next. 

Sanchez starts the next three games against the Seahawks, Rams and Pats, and the Jets lose all 3 games with Sanchez playing poorly.  Under tremendous pressure from the owner and fans, Fat Rex starts Tebow......just in time for some weak competition.  Tebow wins 4 of 5 against the Cardinals, Jags, Titans, Chargers and Bills; and in doing so gets the team to 7 and 9 and secures his spot as the 2013 starter while Sanchez is cut.

With Tebow as the starter, that should guarantee that the Jets will be wandering in the wilderness for at least a few years. 

Shocking that this "One in a Million Talent" and "Top 10 NFL QB" isn't starting already.

Teblow is horrible. I pray they let him start a few games. I need a good laugh!  :D

Regardless of who starts at QB, I suspect big changes are coming to the Jets. BTW, Ryan has already said Sanchez is his guy and the problems go deeper that just QB.

I also predict Tebow will be gone from N.Y. after this year.

PRICELESS!!! Simply PRICELESS!!  :D

Why?  He still has two years left on his contract and he is a playmaker.

Here is what I would have been doing since week 1....

If the drive ends in a FG or TD, than the next drive, same QB

If drive ends in a turnover or punt switch QBs.

Here is why:

1) All opposing teams must prepare for two totally different offensive styles of plays.

2) If something is effective against a particular teams defense you will be using it more, if it is ineffective you will be using it less.

3) Nobody can cry foul.  Neither the fans nor the players can say they didn't get a chance.

If after three or four games it is clear that one QB is typically playing 4-5 series in a row and the other one is typically only playing one in row, I would make the better QB the full time starter. 

Looks like next week IS going to be the week!! Sanchez was beyond awful today. 9/22 passing for 124 yards . ANOTHER Red Zone INT. Fumble.

We are finally going to get Tebow it looks like as a starter! Let the fun begin!  :D

Update: Rex in the press conference just yelled at a reporter. Said he is starting Sanchez no matter what. Looks like Rex wants to be fired! Damn! Hopefully he changes his mind after a good night of sleep and foot play!

I don't think the Jests are doing either of their QBs a favor right now with the way they're playing them.

I think you mean the Jets aren't doing either of their QB's a favour right now by playing them  ::)

I think Rex wants it to be clear that Tebow is not the answer at QB, but he's trying to avoid the circus.  This is what you get, and Sanchez would be better off without Tebow over his shoulder all the time.

Little late for that! ha ha ha ha!!

Sanchez, Tebow, and Sparano will all be OFF the Jets next year if Rex keeps his job. All 3 are done in NY. All 3 suck at what they do

Yes, they should start Tebow and stick with him. I place a high value on being able to laugh hysterically at obnoxious Jets fans, and that definitely would do the trick.

Tebow's Stat Line from Sunday vs the Rams

Passing
1/1 for -1 yard

Rushing
2 attempts for -5 yards

Negative -6 yards total! He sure is a one in a million talent! ha ha ha  :D

^^^^ Of course because a sample size of 3 is always the ideal number to judge performance. 

its not like he has joe montana in front of him taking playing time away from him

No.  The Jets should not start Tebow.  They should cut Tebow now.  Today.

Tebow does two things:
1) Sucks at quarterback.
2) Causes lots of controversy.

If you were going to have Tebow on your roster at all, you need to make the announcement on day 1: He is going to be a hybrid TE, FB, gadget player and special teams guy.  That's it.  That's all he'll ever be on this team.  He will never be given a chance to start at quarterback.   Anything less than that cripples your franchise.

That said, I hope the Jets start to play him.

Mark Sanchez has turned the ball over four times already.  All four turnovers have led to Patriots touchdowns.  I would not be surprised if we see Tebow in the second half.

No he hasn't. What game are you watching? Sanchez has one INT and one fumble. McKnight lost the other fumble. Sanchez looks as bad as ever, but Tebow is injured, so I doubt we'll see him. -EK

Two picks.  So I was off by one.  He is still having an awful game

You said four. He had two (1 pick, 1 fumble) when you posted that (ie, not enough for stubborn Rex to bring in Tebow, even if he was healthy). -EK

Way to defend your boy Sanchez and your Jets!

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Best part of last nights game was Fireman ED left at halftime....lol lol!!

Tebow spends offseason putting on 15lbs of muscle to take a beating, and gets hurt after a few reps. Maybe he should have spent the summer learning to throw and stayed at 235.

It's going to be funny to watch what team actually signs him after the Jets cut him at the end of the year. I am not so sure he will find work so easily. The side-show circus that is "Tim Tebow" has become a total joke on every level.

Jets get killed on Thanksgiving. Tebow doesn't even play. And Rex spends 19 (yes 19) minutes of his press conference answering Tebow questions!!!

Tebow is a joke. The circus around him is a joke. Hopefully he will be run out of the league after this year. He can't play and he isn't any good. But I am sure there is one dumb owner who will want him just for attention and to sell jerseys. But with Al Davis dead and Jerry Jones having other issues these days I'm not sure who it will be.

This is an absolute disgrace.  The NY media should be ashamed of themselves.

If Rex didn't put Tebow in after halftime being down 35 and getting demolished, he never will.  Make up some phony story about injured wrists, injured ribs, whatever.  He can't just come out and say "he sucks at QB."

However, I feel like Sanchez has more of a chance of getting cut this offseason than Tebow does.

Gonna be tough with that big new contract they gave him just last year

I know but rather have that big contract on the bench?  I don't know how it was structured...

Tebow did not ask to come to N.Y. Not his fault. I was rather depressed when I heard he was going to the jets. He deserves better and he DOES NOT SUCK AT QB. He is the best leader on that team and I hope he goes to a better team next year.

Did his wins at Denver show you nothing?? I will agree that there is controversy, but that is on Ryan, not on Tebow. He was a better passer before everyone started screwing with his delivery.

Also, in fairness, what  can you expect from a QB coming in for 5-6 plays a game and throwing 1-2 passes? Really????

The Jets were the only ones that wanted him. Name 1 team that wants him now. He'll be out of the league in 2 years.

No. Denver's win streak last year showed that three things. 1. Tebow is really only a running threat. 2. Prater is a clutch kicker. 3. That defense was not playing well in the begining of the season, but happened to start clicking when the win streak started.

YES HE DID! Jax and the Jets offered the same round draft pick, Denver told Tebow he could pick his team. He picked NY!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827c664b/article/broncos-trade-tim-tebow-to-jets-jaguars-miss-out-on-bid

A league source told Lombardi that Tebow was given the option of joining either the Jets or his hometown Jacksonville Jaguars, who had jumped back into discussions, but the quarterback decided New York was the best choice. However, Tebow denied in his conference call with New York media that he was allowed to pick his destination.

Tebow's quote from another article (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2012/03/report-jets-acquire-tim-tebow-from-broncos-for-fourth-round-draft-pick/1#.ULGkm4Kieik): "Ultimately, I really didn't have any (input), because the Broncos had all that power," said Tebow. "It's (been) an interesting day. ... I'm excited to be a Jet at the end of the day."

That's kind of a sidestep statement.  Yes, the Broncos did have the power to choose where he went, but that doesn't mean they didn't ask him where he wanted to go.

The Jaguars would pick him up in a hot second.  In fact, it would be dumb of them not to, unless they don't like making money.

Reports are that FIREMAN ED canceled his twitter account! He can't take the Jets losing anymore and the abuse he gets on twitter ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

This is too funny!!!!!

UPDATE: Former Jets D-linemen is now talking trash to Fireman Ed.
Former Jets defensive lineman Kris Jenkins snarled on Twitter, "Guess he went back to the Dolphins," a reference to Anzalone's former fan leanings before he became the Jets' de facto mascot years ago.

I'm so tired of the excuses.  There are so many players that don't pick their team.  He's a great leader???  What does that even mean?  The guy can't even get on the field.


It showed me that is a terrible passing quarterback who was on a team with a world-class defense.  They eeked into the playoffs with a crap division and won a few games with a gimmick offense and incredible luck.  It was unsustainable.  The Broncos knew this, which is why they shipped their "incredible leader" out of town after 1 season of having to start him.  The Jets thought that they were a big enough team to handle the Tebow story and that he wouldn't consume the market.  They were wrong.  The Jets are garbage and so is Tebow (as a QB) so the story is all about him.  The Jets created this mess.  I agree its not Tebow's fault.  It's the Jets for putting him in a position to be a circus.



I expect Tebow to not be listed as a QB on any NFL roster for the rest of his career.  If you want to have him throw 3 passes a game like Ronnie Brown did -- fine.  But have him play FB or TE as a hybrid.  Look, I'm a Gator fan and I pull for Tebow as a "teammate" kind of character guy -- but he can't throw a football well enough to play QB in this league.

And if Tebow just sucked and that was that, I'd be fine with it.  It's that he clearly sucks (he can't beat out Sanchez), his coaches know it, but we still have to deal with excuses and a media barrage and "Tebow watch" on the Jets website and all this other crap.  ...don't get me wrong -- I love the idiotic circus.  But it kinda burns my ass that he still earns favor and excuses from people when he plays poorly.  Always.
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Just like at the end of the year, I'll be digging up EKnight's post on Tebow being the solution to the Jets quarterback problems.

I think we can say the same thing about Sanchez.

The question for the Jets is not "is Tebow an elite QB?" it is "is Tebow a better option than butt fumble boy?"

Tebow is not pure passing QB, but he bring to the field an old-style Vick type option of running the ball for a first down if none of the receivers are open.  Sanchez brings nothing but turnovers.   

If he never gets on the field, we'll never know if he's the solution or not. That speaks more to Rex's stubborn attitude than anything else. -EK

Agree with EK here.

If you call Tebow a bust for the Jets you might as well also declare Mallot a bust in NE.  In fact when Tebow as been used he has been pretty effective at converting 3rd and 4th downs. 

Uh, not quite. Brady has been playing great, there's a good reason that Mallot is still on the bench. Sanchez...not so much.

My point is we have very little data to make an analysis of either player.  Reason why Tebow is on the bench is the same reason Danny Woodhead was cut instead of Joe McVomit from the Jets.  (Tannenbaum's ego)

The reason why Mallett is on the bench is because NE has one of the best QBs in the league at the helm.
NYJ has one of the worst QBs in the league at the helm.
So why is Tebow still on the bench, again?

The Mallett comparison is so absurd as to be useless.

Agree with that. If nothing else Tebow would put butts in the seats. I think his jersey is still a top seller but have not checked in a while.

Mike said Tim had his choice. Had not heard that before. Would like to read about it if possible.
It sounds odd considering Tebow is from Jax. and I would think he would have had a better chance to start.

That's true, but I don't think Rex Ryan has very little data to make an analysis of Tebow, so you have to ask yourself is Rex Ryan just wrong on Tebow or is he in someway biased about Sanchez? It's possible since he did draft Sanchez so it's possible that Tebow has actually looked better in practice than Sanchez but Ryan is still reluctant to let him start, but somehow I kinda think that winning would be more important to Rex than just starting Sanchez. Maybe "being a leader" isn't all that important to Rex or perhaps Rex thinks he should be the leader and not Tebow, but again it would have to be more important to him than winning which seems like a stretch to me. Then there are the rumors that the Jets players don't think much of Tebow either. They are only rumors, but I've found that where there is smoke there is fire typically. He didn't exactly call the rumors false, he simply said it was cowardly the way the rumors were "leaked" which we can both agree about without the rumors being false.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

I don't know which one looks better in practice.  I do know which one looks better in actual games -- Tebow. 

Rex Ryan pushed very hard to draft Sanchez, traded up and spent a ton of money.  My guess is if Sanchez loses his job so does Ryan. 

Not if Tebow plays great, only if Tebow sucks too. Maybe that's Ryan's biggest fear, is that Tebow will be worse than Sanchez. That in my opinion definately WOULD get Ryan fired.

 ;D

Because Teblow is beyond awful. He has turned into a total punchline and a joke

It was about making $$$. Tebow can get more attention and make more money off the field in NY. That's why he picked NY

Tebow is unique in that he can destroy your staff. 

Sanchez sucks, but he'll get cut and that'll be the end of it.  If Tebow plays (and I don't doubt he'll be more effective in the short-term), he is effectively crippling the franchise.  They'll be lucky if he plays poorly and they can just dump him.  But if he eeks out wins, look out.  The Jets are in for a nightmare. 

At this point- and honestly for the past few weeks- not playing Tebow can't be anything more than RR's ego. I think everyone agrees that the Jets are going no where. Sanchez sucks and they literally have nothing to lose by playing Tebow. If they both suck, everyone can go with, "Hey, at least Tim got his chance, they still sucked and lost, we can cut our losses and start fresh." Not playing him at this point is worse, insofar as there will always be fans and some people within the organization who will say, "you have to keep him, because we don't know what he could do. Look what he did in Denver." -EK

^ I disagree.

If I were a coach, I wouldn't start Tebow either and it has nothing to do with my ego.

As a coach, you're responsible for weighing your need to win now with your ability to win long term.  I think that Tebow arguably gives you a better chance to win today.  However, I think he cripples your ability to win long term.  (...and not compared to Sanchez....just in general.)  I would not play him in fear that I'd be pressured to keep him in future years, elongating a QB controversy.

Besides, we've seen Tebow.  The guy can't make throws.  They watch him in practice every day, where I'm guessing he still can't make throws.  By putting Tebow in, Rex Ryan is essentially forfeiting his job -- he'll probably lose it anyway, but by not playing Tebow, at least he's doing it on his own terms.

I agree. They can't start Teblow because he can't play. He sucks!

I think Sanchez is a mediocre QB at best, Tebow probably the same as Sanchez.  That said the Jets' problem goes deeper than the QB position.

Sanchez with 3 INT's and less than 100 yards passing in the 3rd quarter at home vs Arizona.

Enjoy paying him that big contract Woody!! ha ha ha

Sanchez got benched. McElroy playing QB. Tebow inactive due to injury. -EK

And BAM!!!!  The Jets score

"Career Year" Sanchez blows! He is so bad! Can't believe they actually gave him a huge extension last year!

Pretty much anyone but Sanchez and Tebow can play QB for them and its an upgrade at this point.

I don't know why you won't let this thing go, but look at Sanchez's numbers at week 9 when I made that statement. He was having a career year. He fell off horribly AFTER that, but I didn't continue making the claim that he was having a career year in weeks 10-16, only YOU did that. It's a season later, and you still don't get that. Through 9 games (when I made that claim), he had 2,081 yards (on pace for 3700, by far his highest total); 17 TD's (on pace for 30, finished with his highest total), 9 INTs (on pace for 16, which would have been his 2nd best as a pro). AFTER week 9, he imploded, and I never denied that. So let it go already. You talk about how I'm obsessed and need help, good God, man- it's been a year, and you took what was said out of context to begin with. -EK

He wasn't talking to you in particular.  Please cut the drama.

Back on topic.  EK, what do you think the Jets should do if McElroy puts up good numbers the rest of the way?

Thank you!

BS- don't enable him. The phrase "Career year Sanchez" was a jab at me and you know it. Let's not pretend it isn't what it is.

To your question, I don't really care one way or another, as I'm not a Jets fan, but logically if McElroy looks good, they should let him play out the season to see what they have before they start over at the position again. -EK

You misread my question.  What should the Jets do THIS OFFSEASON if McElroy looks good the rest of the way?

Depends on their draft position. They have a LOT of holes to fill from what I saw against Miami. They may have to ride him out next year and just try to put weapons around him. How did he look today? -EK

I don't know how good this McElroy guy is, but I think that they should trade Tebow to Jacksonville for whatever the going rate is.  Sanchez sucks and his time in NY is over anyway.  Cut him and move on.

^^ This makes sense to me. Tebow may not be good, but he's a winner, he's as good as what they have in Jax now anyway, and he'll put butts in seats. -EK

It is pretty funny that McElroy throws for 29 whole yards and Jets' fans think he is the savior.

Every back-up QB that doesn't have a future HOFer in front of them is a savior. In some cases ... even future HOFers have to listen to it.

Mark Sanchez's cap number next year is $12.853m, and $17.153m if they cut him.

Found this today

I actually laughed at that as well and as 1 who watched the game it was a horrible personal foul call that kept their lone TD drive going. This kid did not look like anything special to me.....he just wasn't Mark Sanchez!!!!!

Didn't Rex announce Sanchez to start this weekend? -EK

^^^ I believe he did. He did say that if he sucked it up again that he would "absolutely" be replaced, which is understandable.

Yeah, 13 weeks in... bout 12 too late. -EK

Now that they're playing Jacksonville, it might actually make sense to start Tebow.  Here's my thinking.  The only other team that was interested in him was the Jags, but even their interest was "tepid", according to reports.  By playing Tebow, you sell a bunch of tickets to the game.  Perhaps it piques the interest of the Jags from purely a financial standpoint.  Then, maybe you can get a 5th round pick for him or something.  Otherwise, you're gonna end up cutting him anyway.

^^^ While anouncing Tebow will play will help Jax ticket sales, I don't see how that helps the Jets.

Nor do I see any reason for the Jets to trade/cut Tebow.  They didn't bring him in to replace Sanchez, they brought him in to replace Brad Smith.  He is doing a great job a special teamer.

It helps the Jets fleece JAX when they trade him there in the offseason.

Well he did miss that block that let Miami block a punt and score a TD. That offsets some of the other gimmick plays he did that kept a couple drives alive.

Rex won't start Tebow because no matter how bad "Career Year" Sanchez gets he is still better than that clown Tebow.

Bottom line is the Jets have the WORST QB situation in all of football. "Career Year" Sanchez sucks. Teblow is worse. And McElroy is lucky to be on an NFL roster.  You combine that with an idiot offensive coordinator and its a train wreck.

Tebow won't be back next year, take that to the bank. I don't care what Woody says, he's gone! Nobody will trade for him either, he will be flat out cut. They are stuck with "Career Year" Sanchez. They will probably try and sign a vet to come in and compete with Sanchez but the Jets have tied up so much money with him he is there guy going forward.

Sanchez just fumbled.  Jaguar ball

He's awful!

anyone else think the jets are gonna make the playoffs?  they're most likely going to win out and make it as the 2nd wildcard team.

and the AFC is awful this year and the jets can't possibly play any worse.  i really hope they make the playoffs because that'll ensure another year of sanchize/fat rex

there is no way this team wins out.

I agree.  Indy pretty much has a lock on the 5 seed and the 6 seed will go to the loser of the Baltimore-Pittsburgh division race.  No chance in hell for the Jets.  I would play McElroy the rest of the way and see what he can do.  Then get ready for the draft.

I think you should look at who the Jets close their schedule with before you say that. 

Titans - winnable game
Chargers - winnable game
Bills - winnable game

The Jets could very easily be sitting at 9-7 at the end of the season and looking at a Wild Card, depending on how things shake out.

^^^Who did the Jets payoff to get the finishing schedule they have???  Finishing with five easy games, and only one divisional opponent.  I hate to say it but I can see them making the playoffs.

I hate the Jets as much as the next guy.  But this is a silly complaint.  Ya got play the 16 games based on the formula.  Play the hard games early, play the hard games late.  Doesn't matter.  Either way you gotta play the games. 

I don't view SD as winable. And this is the same Jets team that almost lost to Arizona at home and had to hold on to beat a bad Jax team.

they'll easily win out, but they need help - pitt has to lose twice and cincy has to lose once.

I don't see the Jets winning out.  They are terrible.

Yes, their games are winnable.  But they are all loseable for the Jets, too.  They squeaked past the Jags.  They lost to us.

Arizona who just lost 58-0....the Jets could only manage 1 TD against them and a 7-6 win...AND THE GAME WAS PLAYED IN NEW YORK!!

No way do the Jets win out.  "Career Year" Sanchez has no shot of stringing together a few decent games in a row. And if "Top 10 QB" Tebow steps on the field for a couple plays he hurts them even more.

Where are my Jets are gonna win out crowd!?!? J/K

Sanchez with another 4 INT game!!  He totally sucks!

The Jets are now out of the playoffs and the Dolphins are still mathematically alive!!  I love it!!

That series when they put Tebow in and Chuckie just kept saying I have no idea what they're trying to accomplish... just hilarious. I really enjoy watching Jets games just to see what ridiculousness they try to pull every week.

Looks like Sanchez will be riding the pine next week?  And his replacement is NOT Tim Tebow.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-bypass-tim-tebow-name-greg-mcelroy-starting-214305906--nfl.html

HOLY CRAP!!!!!  This is SO hilarious!!!  Sanchez alters his Wikipedia page!!!!

http://www.sportspickle.com/news/14973/depressed-mark-sanchez-defaces-his-wikipedia-page

That article is very funny, but there's no way it's real, right?  Nah, had to look it up.  It's just satire.  For a moment I could dream...

I knew it couldn't be real because there's no way Sanchez could come up with this lovely gem, "- voted Most Likely to Just Chuck One Up Into Triple Coverage."  He's just not that clever, and I don't think he could ever be that honest about himself.

According to multiple reports, Tebow to be cut and Sanchez on the trade block (good luck trading that contract)

Looks like our year of fun and laughter will only last one year! Who would have thought this dynamic duo would have failed ..ha ha ha ha ha

Now please go sign Michael Vick this offseason Rex! PLEASE!!!

So what we're really hoping is that Sanchez and/or Tebow gets a shot and does brilliantly the next two weeks, right?

Unless they cut Sanchez I don't see any team trading for him. He is a piece of garbage and that contract makes him almost untradable. There might be some dumb team that bites but I doubt it. I think Sanchez stays in NY and is battling for the starters job with some other scrub like Vick or Colt McCoy or someone!

Tebow, good luck finding work. He better pray Jacksonville will take him because that is the ONLY team who will put up with the side-show circus he is and has around him. Another garbage player who has no value anymore (on the field)

Tebow will be lucky to make a CFL roster...Sanchez is headed for a permanent backup role.

Rex is headed out of NY along with Sparano....still can't believe they named him OC?  Really NY..Reallly?

Well look what he did for Miami's offense....oh yeah that is a head scratcher.  >:D

So after all that blathering from Certain People about Sanchez and Tebow being Winners, they both suck and are being benched for a seventh-rounder with zero starts under his belt.

Where is the giant I Told You So button?

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=20212.msg261230#msg261230

He will be on a NFL roster.  Maybe not as QB, but he will be on a roster.

Tebow nearly never played. You can't say "I told you so," about a player's performance if he wasn't on the field. If he would have taken their red zone snaps and failed miserably, then by all means say "I told you so." This isn't even close to the same thing. -EK

^ I think that you can say "I told you so" a little bit.  If a player can't get on the field, that's on him.  There are practices that we don't see.  Tebow isn't on the field because he didn't impress those whose job it is to impress in order to get .

Tebow was "on the field."  He was unimpressive in the limited snaps he got.

Or is this the Pat White "he never got a fair chance" argument?

Totally Agree! If Tebow can't beat out Mark Sanchez that speaks volumns! No excuses on this one, Tebow blows!

When he did he get his chances he was bad this year.

It's not that Tebow can't beat out Sanchez.

It's that they both can't beat out McElroy.

I still think Tebow is a solid football player, but not a starting QB.

My hope is Jets cut him, Pats sign him as a TE/FB/punt protector

My hope as well, but probably not for the same reasons... ;)

Tebow will not sign as a non-QB.

The only reason why he agreed to that role on the Jets is that a) like everyone else, he saw the Sanchez handwriting on the wall and b) he thought by being a Team Player, he would be next in line when Sanchez got the hook.  Now that it's clear that his role on the Jets is more Brad Smith than Brad Johnson, he is no longer interested in staying there.

Alright, so I'm guessing that the Lake Erie Mudflappers of the World Indoor Arena JV League could have a new sucky QB next year...because I have a hard time picturing another NFL team giving Tebow a starting QB job.

I have a very easy time imagining the Jaguars giving him a starting QB job.  It's like printing money.

I do too.  Even if he isn't the starting quarterback, just having him on the team is like printing money

Are we still considering the Jaguars an NFL franchise?

Seriously if Tebow can't beat out Gabbert and Henne then he might be in the wrong line of work.

I mean come on. That would mean in two seasons you couldn't beat out Sanchez, McElroy, Gabbert, and Henne. At what point do you say this NFL football thing isn't for me. Time for a new career!

And do what with him? If you start him and he sucks you are going to lose money when people quit coming to the game and if you sit him, you've got the Jets year all over again with a media circus. I think Jax will look at what has happened in NY and say it's not worth it.

That is an easily-flippable statement.

Seriously, if Gabbert can't beat out Teblow then he might be in the wrong line of work. ;)

ha ha ha,  yes Sunstroke! It does work both ways!! good one!

Yeah, Gabbert vs Tebow is like a fight between two different kinds of shit. In one corner, you have Blaine "Steamy Pile" Gabbert, and his opponent on the undercard, Tim "Got Chunks of Corn In It" Tebow.

Gentlemen, when the bell sounds, come out sucking!

Football has nothing to do with it.  Neither does Tebow's quarterbacking abilities (or lack thereof).  Tebow would put butts in the seats because Jacksonville is his HOME TOWN.  You would see a lot of Gators fans (and Jacksonville is full of them) coming to the games just to see him and buying Tebow jerseys.  That right there is money.

Im not arguing that. If the coaches want to keep their jobs though they do have to play the best QB on the roster. And if Tebow isn't it they can't justify starting him and losing for the sake of jersey sales and ticket sales.

Who said anything about starting him?  If he continues in his current Brad Smith type role for the Jaguars, that alone will draw more fans.

If Tebow isn't the starting QB and he is just blocking on punts I'm not sure the fans will show up like you think they will.

Didn't the owner want Tebow in the first place? Seems like playing him would help their cause more than not although if he wins ugly you get the whole Denver thing without Manning to save them.

I think they will.  You don't realize the type of person he is to Jacksonville.  He could walk into any bar in that big city and not have to pay for a single round.

I think the novelty would wear off quick though if he isn't the starting QB

Maybe, maybe not.  He and Belichick had a long meeting before the draft.  Tebow didn't meet with BB with the expectation that BB was looking to bench Brady. 

I am sure Tebow's first choice is to be a QB and given the choice would be to be the starting QB for Jacksonville rather than a FB for NE.  But he also wants to be a football player, and given the choice of being a FB and sitting home, he will be a FB. 

Tebow would be filling seats for two solid years before the novelty would wear off.  The first year would be, "This team was already the worst in the league, even Tebow can only do so much."  The second year would be when people start to get tired of him.

If, by some miracle, Tebow led JAX to another of his glorious 8-8 playoff seasons, they might as well build him a statue.

Before the draft, Tebow was being projected as a third-rounder.  He had no idea whether he would receive the Eric Crouch "You aren't going to be allowed to play QB" treatment, so it makes sense that he would talk to coaches to see what kind of role he might be able to fill on their team.  (Of course, that all went out the window when McDaniels drafted him in the first.)  But there's plenty of teams in the NFL that would have loved to have Tebow as a TE or FB.  He is definitely a weapon... just not in the role he insists on playing.

In fact, once Tebow gets the QB thing out of his system in JAX, I would not be at all surprised to see several teams make a play for him in a non-QB role.

I could see a team like Dallas and an owner like Jerry Jones make a play for him too. Jones would love the attention and media spotlight it would bring.

UPDATE: And so it begins. Tebow to Jax almost a lock to happen
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/22/report-tim-tebow-playing-next-year-for-jaguars-a-virtual-certainty/

Zero chance he goes to Dallas.  JJ said he wouldn't draft Tebow if he fell to the 7th round.

Tebow QUIT on the Jets. Told coaches he wouldn't do any Wildcat packages after he didn't get the starting job and they handed it to McElroy. So much for Tebow being that "great team player"

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8776088/tim-tebow-new-york-jets-asked-left-wildcat-sources-say

tebow made the right move.  he didn't quit on the jets, they slapped him in the face.  what was he supposed to do?  this a team that traded for him and held a press conference for him. 

he was listed as the #2 all year long, and then when the team implodes, the coach tries to save his ass by naming a guy WHO DIDNT EVEN SUIT UP MOST OF THE SEASON as the starting QB, and you say tebow "quit" on the team?  they wouldn't even give him a fair shot at playing when he clearly deserved it more than mcelroy.

quite the opposite...sometimes you gotta stand you for yourself and say NO MORE BULLSHIT.

I was wondering what type of owner Shad Khan would be, and now I think I know.  Jacksonville will be handicapped with Tebow there.  He may win more games than that stable of garbage they currently have, but he's nothing more than a gimmick, and I think defenses are becoming more savvy about dealing with read option quarterbacks.

It's not often I get to say this, but I feel lucky to be a Dolphins fan.

When you refuse to play ...you quit. Tebow is a quitter!

so if you were recruited by a company, had a great resume, were promised a fair shot at a promotion, worked your ass off, then saw some janitor hired into the spot you were supposed to have you would still show up the next day?  i'd consider the person who still shows up a grade A sucker with no spine.

hey I'm tired of hearing how he brought Denver to the playoffs. Denver Defense brought them to the playoffs. Tbore was the captain of three and out. Yes he got lucky but he still spent three and a half quarters going three and out. If he refuses to change positions I am going to think he can not catch... (I know he cant throw)..I seen a few games where he lined up and ran routes with the jets and was wide open and was ignored by both the defense and the QB. The D let him go by...Do you really believe that the jets coaches had a secret weapon in him but was saving him for the next coach......Come on man   I would take sanchez over him any day too. With that said I think he should be the QB for pats. ;D

They asked Tebow to do exactly what they had been asking him to do all year.  No different.

And hasn't Tebow been spouting some nonsense this whole season about, "I do what the coaches ask, whatever the team needs"?  Obvious lie exposed.

but it's different now in week 16 than it was the rest of the year.

sanchez was finally benched, and tebow was passed over.  if he's clearly not in their long-term plans, why should he play for them? 

Because he is under contract to play.  Why should Matt Moore have played against the Jets?

The thing that makes it worse is that the entire time, Tebow was playing that fake "I'm a team player and do whatever they need of me" BS.  He didn't believe a word of it; he was only interested in being a team player if it meant that he would become the starting QB.

I don't know, because they are paying him MILLIONS OF DOLLARS!!!!!!!!

Tebow is a total phony! His true colors were exposed!

Just want to point out how some people are hypocrites on this issue. (NOBODY ON THIS BOARD SPECIFICALLY so don't anyone get their panties in a bunch)

Last year this time people were killing Santonio Holmes for quitting in the Dolphins game. And those same people are now defending Tebow for quitting yesterday? Makes no sense

Can't have it both ways! Tebow is a QUITTER just like Holmes was last year!

And the NY Post headline calling him "ME-bow" is great!

Tony, you're off base here.  Tebow was ONLY the #2 QB because they wanted him active to use him (a) as a punt protector, (b) on stupid wildcat/gadget plays, and (c) on little 1-yard dives up the middle.  They NEVER wanted Tebow as the #2 QB to be the QB.  They clearly know (as does the rest of the universe outside of Tebow himself) that McElroy is the better passer.  So, why not put him ahead of Tebow on the depth chart?  Because Tebow lets them do all that stuff above.

Tebow was a decoy all season, and said he was OK with it and now grumbling because the truth is revealed. 

Besides, the Jags' coaching staff said yesterday that they don't want Tebow.  My guess is that finally people are coming to their senses, and realizing that, in a passing league where QB is so important, a guy with a dead arm and no accuracy has no value.

Bye!

Only because he could run the wildcat. He was never going to be the starting QB, only the wildcat QB and emergency QB in case Sanchez got hurt. Sexy Rexy has zero faith in Tebow to run the offense fulltime.

Sanchez got his job back...(for a week) due to the McElroy injury.

Tebow still crying like a baby though! And backtracking trying to save his damaged image

The Circus is back on in NY!!!

"Career Year" Sanchez with a Pick-6 already!!! ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Tebow even got "BENCHED" at Dicks Sporting goods

http://www.bobsblitz.com/2013/01/dicks-benched-tim-tebow.html

High comedy!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6BYJPEVvocU/UOM5UTshhjI/AAAAAAAAW5U/xApcibRLHzk/s400/Tim%2BTebow%2Bbenched%2Bdick%2527s.jpg)

I write comedy semi-professionally, and I could never make up shit this good...

Rex Ryan with a new tattoo of his wife, wearing nothing but a Mark Sanchez Jersey, doing the Tebow pose.


(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1232930.1357286618!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/rex-ryan-jets-tattoo-beach.jpg)


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tatted-rex-kinky-ink-wife-likeness-sanchez-jersey-article-1.1232856 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tatted-rex-kinky-ink-wife-likeness-sanchez-jersey-article-1.1232856)

^^^ ha ha ha ha ha!! That's to funny! You are right you can't make this crap up!

AND barefoot!

Can't be REAL..can it?   LOL

I was just coming here to post this. 

If I didn't hate the Jets like poison, I would become a fan.  Sure, they don't win games, but you have to admit there's never a dull moment. 

It was, quite literally, the first time I've ever felt anything like admiration for Rex the Whale. Anyone who could say "fuck the world" with a tat like that can't be all bad, right?

Kate Upton now slamming the Jets

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/upton_disses_mark_jets_B2LBQfWWxNv5k3vV7IrDgK

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/10/caldwell-slams-the-door-on-a-tebow-homecoming/

Tebow to Jax WON'T happen according to the new GM! Might be posturing and just talk for now.

Why is Kate Upton's tweet a news story in the NY Post?  What a trash publication.

Jax stated three weeks ago that they didn't want Tebow.  Now the management changed and they STILL don't want him.

If this is posturing, it's impressive.  According to the new GM in a press conference

"I can't imagine a scenario where he would be a Jacksonville Jaguar," Caldwell said. A reporter, apparently dumbfounded by the directness of the response, even asked Caldwell to repeat that quote and Caldwell did.

I was reading some of the comments to this article and a few others.  I'm shocked at the level of support that Tebow is getting.  90% of the comments favor Tebow starting somewhere as a QB.  I guess a lot of these comments are from Tebowmaniacs and not necessarily football fans.   They seem to feel that there's a conspiracy to keep Tebow off the field because of his religious views.  Honestly, the NFL would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE Tebow to be successful.  They have done everything they can to make him relevant.  Unfortunately for Tebow and his fans, you have coaches that need to win games.  I believe that Denver and NY saw what Tebow could do in practice, and knew he simply doesn't have the necessary skills. 

But all this is old news.  What I think is interesting is that most people believe he needs to change positions.  Either to an H-back or tight end.  Given that he hasn't played these positions, what makes anyone think he can do that in the NFL?

I totally agree. He sucks as an NFL QB, a position he has played forever, what makes anyone think he can move to TE or H-Back?!

Tebow is not an NFL player. Period. He is in way over his head. He has had a few shinning moments here and there but thats it. His 15 min are about up on the NFL scene.

I wonder if the Jets were to cut Tebow, if anyone would be running to his agent to sign him.

I don't expect any team to talk to the Jets about a trade, and he will be released.  Once released, it wouldn't surprise me if no team signs him.  Many people think he may go to a team with an established QB like the Pats.  No one would want to sit Brady, so you avoid the controversy of having him play.  To me, this doesn't fly.  The offense you need to run with Tebow (read option) doesn't fit with passing teams.  If your team is set up to pass; so how do you switch that to a completely different offense.

If it makes sense for any team, wouldn't it be the Redskins, Panthers or Seahawks, where they already run an offense that features a lot of running by the QB?  Tebow would be a viable backup and could likely keep you afloat while you wait for your starting QB to return.

The question becomes - is it worth the distractions associated with Tebow to have him as a backup? 

The question then is - would Tebow sign for a team where he has literally no chance of starting.  I think he preferred to go to NY last offseason because he thought Sanchez was most likely to get benched mid-season, at which point he could take over.

Tebow won't sign anywhere without being guaranteed to start.  It'd have to be Jacksonville, Arizona, Philly, or maybe hmm, the Jets!  All other teams have their QB in place already.

Personally, I see Tebow's future pointing towards CFL...

He isn't staying with the Jests, they had enough of his antics and clearly don't like him. Philly isn't going to bring him in, they got  Foles and he showed some promise late in the year. Buffalo has no QB but just brought in a guy who is going to run the "Saints style offense" so he ain't signing Tebow. Jax says they don't want him, I will take them at their word.Arizona has a few QB's who can't throw, why not add 1 more honestly couldn't hurt. That might be his best landing spot along with KC.  Only other team with QB issues is Oakland but I am not sure that is a good fit with their coaching staff. I think KC and Arizona are Timmy's best bets to win a starters job.

I think Tebow's NFL days are almost over and he will make a living preaching and doing charity work and stuff like that, which is fine. The guy just can't play on this level. He sucks!

Let's see:

Kolb, Quinn, Cassel, Fitzpatrick, Foles, Gabbert, hell, even Henne and Sanchez

All better QB's than Tim Tebow.

There are a lot more names to throw on that list. lol lol

I'd rather have Charlie Batch, Joe Webb or Dan Orlovsky under center than Tebow... Hell, the tougher challenge is to name a QB on any current NFL roster that is NOT better than Tebow.

Notice he said that Tim Tebow is currently a member of the New York Jets before that statement.  It could be posturing in order to avoid tampering charges.  Or he could really mean what he says.  This offseason will tell us what we need to know. 

I agree that if it is posturing, it's impressive.  Here's an article in the Miami Herald about Tim Tebow's situation.  The bottom line is, Tebow is a jack of all trades but a master of none.  And that won't get you far in the NFL.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/12/3178848/new-york-jets-tim-tebow-remains.html

Except throwing the ball...the #1 attribute you want in a QB. That's the bottom line.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/12/tim-tebows-brother-happy-to-see-peyton-manning-lose/

Tebow's brother showing the family has some real "class"

New Bears head coach Marc Trestman has ties to Teblow and worked with Teblow leading up to his draft. Chicago might be a new landing spot for Teblow.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/16/tim-tebow-chicago-bears-marc-trestman/1839161/

P.S..hope Brandon Marshall likes run blocking when Tim is under center...lol

Talk about your personality differences...Jay Cutler's perpetual sad face and Tim Tebow's saccharine-sweet innocence? Well, I guess if it worked for Eeyore and Winnie the Pooh, it could work in the NFL.

I wonder what Tebow's reaction will be when Brandon Marshall calls him vile names for not getting him the ball

I don't know but I bet Tebow's brother will put up nasty tweets about Brandon. Like Tebow's brother put up nasty tweets about Peyton last week gloating that the Broncos lost. All class that Tebow family.  ::)

Tebow refusing to play at the end of the year. The brother is tweeting nasty stuff. They are something else that group.

More TEBOW DRAMA in NY! Now Woody Johnson the owner is saying Tebow was "forced on him"....what a friggin liar

http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/jetsblog/woody_told_jets_him_candidate_that_44Y1LD0Qm7dBth1j4msbuN#axzz2IZ0UffHa