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Not sure if anyone else saw the Sun Sentinel online article today listing their Top 10 Miami Dolphin QBs of all time.  I'm about half convinced that it was a practical joke.  But if they were being serious, they really should have made it a Top 5 and stopped there. 

Dolphins QB history is two hall of famers who were with the team for a long time and a long list of never wasses...

Here's a link to the article:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-miami-dolphins-top-10-quarterbacks-pg-20120514,0,5288304.photogallery

I wish there was a little text with each one.  I'd love to see how the justify putting Don Strock at #5.  The guy had 22 starts over a 14 year career and never broke 12 TD's or 1000 yds passing in any season.

Strock and Pennington are ranked too high. What the hell did Strock ever do on the field in Miami? He was here 13 years with the Dolphins he started 20 games and did nothing on the field of any significance. And Pennington played just 1 year in Miami and he was lined up at WR half of the games when they ran the Wildcat.

The problem with moving them down is you got to move someone else up and no one deserves it.

how in the hell Chad Henne made the list.

I have a hard time understanding why Pennington should be ranked above Fiedler.

I feel like my list would look like this:

1. Marino
2. Griese
3. Morral
4. Woodley
5. Fiedler
6. Tannehill
7. Henne
8. Mitchell
9. Pennington
10. Harrington

I am in favor of this list, because to me, Pennington should be above Fielder.

Fiedler played for a better team, but he, himself, was not a better player.

I agree with this. Also when you have 2 HOF qbs who take up over 25 years of the franchise. ..a top 10 list is silly. Should be top 5 list

I think if you look hard at the teams in question, you may reevaluate that statement.  Fiedler's teams had more defensive talent, but (in his playoff years) he had nothing on his side of the ball remotely comparable to Ronnie/Ricky.  When he did have Ricky in '02, he got injured and Ray Lucas blew up the season.

I think it's also fair to consider that Pennington played less than 20 games and didn't win a single one after the first season.

Pennington was fine, but let's not make it out like he saved the 2008 season. In the first couple of games, he was dreadful. It is easy to defend against Pennington because he can't throw it more than 20 yards.

The Wildcat saved that season.

Keep an eye out for the next big Sun Sentinel Dolphins article:  "The Top 40 Miami Dolphins Long Snappers of ALL TIME"

Top 10 Miami Dolphins Head Coaches of All Time!

Top 10 makes little sense. Top 5 is as far as it is worth going.  That would be true for ne as well, and most teams.

Brian.

Brian. Brian. BRIAN!!!

I usually agree with most things you post.  This is not one of them.  <insert a long list of junk about how much fiedler sucked>

Brian has a Fiedler hard-on.

Pennington is the best QB since Marino (Tannehill excluded).

Fiedler was a lot better than most of you give him credit for.  Go back, today, after 10 years of watching the bum parade at QB, and watch Fiedler tape.  He was better than you remember. 

I was thinking about this the other night. Most people bagged on Fiedler while he was playing but now he seems to get better reviews. It really reminds me of how Presidents are remembered over time.

Fiedler had some big wins as a Dolphin: DEN, a couple against OAK, the orange jersey game against WSH.  Pennington had... the NE Wildcat game, most well-known for when he wasn't doing anything?  Or maybe the final NYJ game, where Favre gonna Favre?

Pennington had a nice season, no doubt.  But he did nothing after that.  I'd rank David Woodley over Pennington, using those criteria.

I guess leading the league in completion %, breaking the team record for that stat, being the only Dolphin to pass for over 3500 yards in a season other than Marino at that time, finishing second in the MVP voting and winning Comeback Player of the Year are pretty insignificant.

Yep, Pennington did nothing. -EK

Completion % is greatly influenced by the kind of offense you run; Pennington's career completion % was higher than Marino's best in any season (including '84).
In order to win CPOTY, you have to miss a large portion of at least one season, which is not exactly to Pennington's credit.
Matthew Stafford passed for more yards than any QB in any prior season except one.  Rule changes over time have favored yardage.
But yeah, Pennington did finish tied for second in the MVP voting, with 4 votes.  28 votes behind the winner.

Pro-football-reference rates Fiedler's '01 season as equal in AV (13) to Pennington's '08.  Pennington had a vastly better rushing offense (#11) than Fiedler (#23).  The defenses were sidegrades ('01 was higher ranked in yards allowed, '08 was higher ranked in points allowed).

And again, Pennington had the benefit of one of the most impactful offensive strategies in years; a tactic so effective that most of the teams in the league would end up copying it at some point.  And the hallmark of this tactic is that Pennington had nothing to do with it.

P.S. Your reading comprehension is worse than normal today; I said, "Pennington had a nice season, no doubt.  But he did nothing after that."  And nothing is a pretty accurate description of Pennington's contributions post-2008.

You also said:


Did you forget that? -EK

David Woodley took the Fins to a Super Bowl

Chad Pennington had 1 year in Miami and didn't win 1 playoff game.

Comparing their Dolphins career are beyond silly. Woodley was a far greater Fins QB than Pennington

Why, yes, immediately after listing Fiedler's "big wins," I listed Pennington's big wins.  And I said that Pennington's biggest win is a game which is most famous for the offensive plays in which Pennington, the starting QB, stood near the sideline and did nothing.

17/20 and 226 yards is a little more than nothing.

When I refer to "the NE Wildcat game," what game am I talking about?  And why am I using that term to refer to it?

I just think back as a fan.  I had faith in Pennington to lead an offense and make throws.  I cringed every time Fiedler went to throw an out.  Fielder was a part of big wins, yes, but I remember him giving away a lot of big wins with pick 6s.

I had faith in Pennington not to lose a game, but I didn't expect him to win them.

Also, I'd like it added to the record that I was a big supporter of Fiedler for most of his stay here.  I thought we had bigger problems.  But dude couldn't throw an out.

And that is the problem with doing a top ten list,  for such a group, you are not discussing who is the greatest,  bot who is less mediocre

It would still be the same discussion. I've never heard a Dolphins fan debate who our best QB has been (and there is even a second in the HoF).

From time to time I DO hear people make the argument that Griese is the all-time best Dolphins QB based on the two Superbowls he won. I think that argument is ridiculous, but I also think ranking Woodley high is ridiculous based on making it to one Superbowl in a strike-shortened season, with the best defense in the league (and likely the second best all-time Dolphins defense), and the 3rd best running game in the league that year. The D was so good that year they got 10 INTS in the first 2 playoff games. When I think of Woodley, I don't think "All-time great." I think, "Don Strock having to come in during the playoffs to save his ass." There's "leading a team" to a Superbowl, and then there's riding your team's success to one, a la Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson. -EK

We can use stats to support our ideas, of course, but it really comes down to "Who would you rather have under center?"  For me, it's Pennington over Fiedler by a lot.  And it's Marino over Griese by a lot.

Completely agree. -EK

I'm curious if you have been able to pay attention to the ages of these people. Were they old enough to remember Griese? Are they too young to have seen either?

Even though I watched Marino in his prime, I forget how good he was / didn't really realize, because my football knowledge wasn't yet up to snuff.  But when I go back and watch old stuff I'm amazed at what he does.  He reminds me a lot of Peyton Manning.

I have no idea- it's media people. Every now and again I come across someone on talk radio or some article. This one references it, and the reasons it's silly: http://phinphanatic.com/2012/05/12/best-all-time-dolphin-qb-bob-griese-over-dan-marino/

It's not a frequent argument, but it does come up. I can't remember how long ago it was, but I feel like at some point near the mid-point of Marino's career, Miami fans still voted Griese AHEAD of Marino as the all-time starting QB. Anyone else recall such a thing? -EK

I don't recall that, no.  But it doesn't surprise me that there are contrarians.  I'd say there's a pretty solid consensus about Marino over Griese at this point.

Here's an article referencing it. It was still earlier in Marino's career than I remember (1990), but after some of his best seasons.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1320&dat=19901231&id=nEJWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=ROoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3056,5624500

-EK

Dave, your mindset in 2000 and 2001 was different from that of 2008.  I recommend you go back and watch some old games where Fiedler played.  Go watch orange jersey vs Washington.  Go watch the playoff game vs Colts.  Hell, go watch the Monday night meltdown vs Jets.  You will say to yourself - "maybe he wasn't as bad as I remember" because of your frame of reference.

He wasn't as bad as some remember. He won playoff games. He had Miami in the playoffs on a consistent basis. The portrait of Fiedler's Dolphins career is far greater than the 1 year Pennington had in Miami. It's really not even close. As Dolphins....Fiedler had a better career in Aqua and Orange