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Title: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2015, 04:01:28 pm
That's an absolute travesty. I'm ashamed to say that I'm a fan of the NFL today.  Reminder that I am not a fan of either Dallas or GB but I can say without question that game was stolen from Dallas. I'm rooting against GB from here on out.


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: miamid45 on January 11, 2015, 04:07:13 pm
That's an absolute travesty. I'm ashamed to say that I'm a fan of the NFL today.

What comes around goes around.  Last weeks call was bogus but Jerry Jones had to chime in "That it was the right call!". Should have shut his mouth and taken the victory quietly.

How this wasn't a TD is beyond me, but why was that only Dez's 4th target of the game is what Cowboys fans should really be asking themselves?


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2015, 04:09:44 pm
What comes around goes around.  Last weeks call was bogus but Jerry Jones had to chime in "That it was the right call!". Should have shut his mouth and taken the victory quietly.

How this wasn't a TD is beyond me, but why was that only Dez's 4th target of the game is what Cowboys fans should really be asking themselves?
You can't put this call in the same category as last week's call in my opinion. I thought that call last week could have went either way and didn't take away a certain TD. Heck that call last week didn't even go to instant replay. This is a case where instant replay is broken. I haven't seen a call that bad since the Calvin Johnson catch several years ago where he was in the locker room and set the ball down and they called it incomplete. It's clear that he was stretching the ball out to try to cross the goal line and the ball came out when it hit the ground. This is the same thing that runner's do. If that's not a football move then I don't know what is. This was a joke of a call to be overturned. If that's the right call then the rules have to be changed because they just allowed a team to win that shouldn't have.


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on January 11, 2015, 04:12:25 pm
You can't put this call in the same category as last week's call in my opinion. I thought that call last week could have went either way and didn't take away a sure TD.

Doesn't matter.  It was clear last week that it was PI.  The NFL even admitted it.  But the refs picked up the flag AFTER the call.  Justice was served for the Cowgirls today.

If Green Bay didn't deserve to win today then Dallas certainly didn't deserve to win last week.   


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2015, 04:22:34 pm
Doesn't matter.  It was clear last week that it was PI.  The NFL even admitted it.  But the refs picked up the flag AFTER the call.  Justice was served for the Cowgirls today. If Green Bay didn't deserve to win today then Dallas certainly didn't deserve to win last week.   
So then Green Bay shouldn't even bother going to Seattle because they HAVE to lose now. The referees MUST ensure it now. This is a ridiculous stance.


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on January 11, 2015, 04:38:10 pm
So then Green Bay shouldn't even bother going to Seattle because they HAVE to lose now. The referees MUST ensure it now. This is a ridiculous stance.

Not my stance at all.  But the old cliche what goes around comes around rings true in Dallas today.  In all honesty, Carolina should've played Green Bay today and Detroit should've played in Seattle last night


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: MikeO on January 11, 2015, 05:51:16 pm
Because the Ref's screwed up last week it means you must punish Dallas this week? That logic makes no sense.

Dallas didn't force the refs last week to make a mistake. They shouldn't be punished or have "bad karma" cause the refs messed up


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on January 11, 2015, 06:03:31 pm
Because the Ref's screwed up last week it means you must punish Dallas this week? That logic makes no sense.

Dallas didn't force the refs last week to make a mistake. They shouldn't be punished or have "bad karma" cause the refs messed up

Bad karma is what it is.  The difference is, the refs actually got it right this week


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: MikeO on January 11, 2015, 06:15:31 pm
Bad karma is what it is.  The difference is, the refs actually got it right this week

Whatever Landshark. You missed my entire point


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: Sunstroke on January 11, 2015, 07:05:26 pm

The refs DID get it right this week...Dez Bryant did not make the catch, and Dallas has no right to complain about jack shit. Unless you're arguing that the rule should be changed, there really can't be any argument on that play.





Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: miamid45 on January 11, 2015, 08:04:48 pm
So then Green Bay shouldn't even bother going to Seattle because they HAVE to lose now. The referees MUST ensure it now. This is a ridiculous stance.

Hold on!  All I said was one bad call paid back to Dallas.....but Detroit lost that game last week because of their ultra conservative idiot coach Caldwell.

Dallas lost today because IMO they did not target Bryant nearly enough against a mediocre at best Defence.  Heck that 4th and final target look at the catch (overturned by replay) he made?  This guy should've been targeted a dozen times, saw him lined up one on one multiple times, yet no throw? 

Was it Linehan or Garret trying to sit on a lead in Lambeau field....IMO yes and because of this they lost!


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2015, 10:11:44 pm
The refs DID get it right this week...Dez Bryant did not make the catch, and Dallas has no right to complain about jack shit. Unless you're arguing that the rule should be changed, there really can't be any argument on that play.
I think there is plenty of room for argument. In my opinion Dez was reaching out with the ball to try to stretch it across the goal line which in my book is a football move. If he was making a football move then the pass is complete.


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: miamid45 on January 11, 2015, 10:18:41 pm
I think there is plenty of room for argument. In my opinion Dez was reaching out with the ball to try to stretch it across the goal line which in my book is a football move. If he was making a football move then the pass is complete.

Hard to compare it to the Calvin Johnson play as they seem to be doing on most post game shows.

Bryant seemed to be leaning forward after two steps to cross the goal line, ball should have been placed at the 1 yard line where his knee touched.  IMO


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2015, 10:24:38 pm
Hold on!  All I said was one bad call paid back to Dallas.....but Detroit lost that game last week because of their ultra conservative idiot coach Caldwell.
Well I wasn't responding to you, so it's a bit unfair to quote me and then respond. I was responding to Artiechoke who suggested that justice was served today. That's a very strange stance in my opinion since it means that GB should lose next week on a controversial call simply because they benefitted from a controversial call the previous week.


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: miamid45 on January 11, 2015, 10:33:40 pm
Won't matter.

Gonna be New England versus Seattle in the Super Bowl.  Both teams too strong for their opponents.


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2015, 10:37:03 pm
Hard to compare it to the Calvin Johnson play as they seem to be doing on most post game shows.
I think the reason why it's being compared to the Calvin Johnson play is because both plays seem to be counter intuitive. Watching the plays it's obvious they both had control of the ball until the ground caused them to lose control. Yes I realize that's how the rule is written, but it doesn't change the fact that common sense tells you they made the play. There's something wrong with a rule that seems to defy common sense.


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: suck for luck on January 11, 2015, 10:39:10 pm
Falling to the ground is not a football move.

 It's always good when the cowgirls lose no matter the circumstances but losing this way couldn't be more perfect.


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2015, 10:46:10 pm
Falling to the ground is not a football move.
Is reaching for the endzone with the ball in your hand a football move?


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: miamid45 on January 11, 2015, 10:53:43 pm
I think the reason why it's being compared to the Calvin Johnson play is because both plays seem to be counter intuitive. Watching the plays it's obvious they both had control of the ball until the ground caused them to lose control. Yes I realize that's how the rule is written, but it doesn't change the fact that common sense tells you they made the play. There's something wrong with a rule that seems to defy common sense.

Agreed.  Just seems to take away from the game.  The past two weeks have really been about the bad calls, reverse calls etc.  Today's even worse than lasts weeks.  Imagine this happening in the Super Bowl?


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: Sunstroke on January 11, 2015, 10:55:40 pm
Is reaching for the endzone with the ball in your hand a football move?

Not while you're falling to the ground, it isn't...



Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2015, 10:56:25 pm
Not while you're falling to the ground, it isn't...
Which doesn't make any sense.


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: miamid45 on January 11, 2015, 10:59:20 pm
Which doesn't make any sense.

Think they'll look at that rule in the offseason.  Possession should be two feet down with control..NO?


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: suck for luck on January 11, 2015, 11:00:50 pm
Is reaching for the endzone with the ball in your hand a football move?

Not sure if the NFL considers that a football move or not but Its a moot point as that's not what happened.


Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: Sunstroke on January 11, 2015, 11:16:56 pm

If he had come down with the ball, taken a step and then lunged for the end zone, then sure...football move completed, first and goal Dallas.

Catching the ball, losing control of it as you hit the ground and ball touches the ground while you don't have full control...incomplete pass.



Title: Re: Green Bay does not deserve to win.
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2015, 11:22:48 pm
Not sure if the NFL considers that a football move or not but Its a moot point as that's not what happened.
But if it did happen it sure would make an interesting topic of conversation.  >:D