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So tampa bay just traded a 3rd rounder and a 4th rounder in order to trade ahead of new england to draft a kicker in the 2nd round.

whaaaaaaaaaa???

Seems a little extreme, but it isn't just any kicker. It's Roberto Aguayo, and he is arguably the most accurate kicker of a football since...the invention of the football.

With the new extra point rules, a kicker that is pretty much a lock to hit every one of them...and pretty much all of the FGs as well, has value.

Still...a kicker in round two?

Instead of using Walter Payton award winners or old school HoFers for the upcoming Browns and Jaguars picks, could we get Josh Gordon and Justin Blackmon to announce the selections? The NFL Network could do a remote feed for them from outside a marijuana dispensary in Denver...

They could've had him early in the third round.  Licht, who looked like a genius in the first two rounds, just dropped a huge turd in the punch bowl.   

This guy better be another Janikowski.  That's the only way this pick is a wise investment

Then count it as a wise investment, because he really is better than Sea Bass. The moment he steps on an NFL field, he will be one of the best boots in the league, if not "the" best.

Your Bucs have grabbed three excellent players so far...the punch is still safe to drink. ;)

they are now paying a kicker 2nd round draft pick money and they gave up draft picks to trade up to get him when the last kicker drafted this high was Mike Nugent god knows how many years ago. That is laughing stock of the league material stuff right there

^^^ Yeah, I can't argue about the trading of extra picks...that seemed a bit excessive.

The 2nd round salary thing isn't really a thing at all. The total estimated contract value for that slot is a hair over $4 million. If Tampa had waited until their pick in round 3, that slot is estimated at just over $3.3 million. So, the difference over the entire life of the contract is less than $750k. If Tampa is as sure as I am about Aguayo's NFL future, and they thought one of the 14 teams between #60-#73 was going to snatch him up, then what the hell...go get the player you want.

Alot of experts aren't thinking the way Tampa was thinking.  Almost all projections had him going in the early 4th round.  That being the case, the Bucs didn't have to trade up to get him.   They could've gotten Bullard in the third, then had two fourth rounders to use and he probably would've still been there

You could be right...but we'll never know. Congratulations on getting an awesome kicker. ;)

Kicking is so underrated.  I don't know why you people don't seem to realize that. 

To me, it would be worth a second round pick for somebody could guarantee that almost every time you score, the opponent has to start at the twenty on their next drive.

To say nothing about distance and accuracy.  Imagine how less pressure is on an offense knowing that if reach the 38 yard line, you are almost guaranteed to score.

In this case, I don't know much about this kicker, so I don't know if this guy is that kind of kicker.  The Bucs will find out. 

From Miami's history, I do know how critical kicking is.  It cost the Dolphins playoff berths in 2002, 2003, 2005, possibly 2006, 2012, and 2013. 

^HEY!  What do you mean, "you people"?

WTF?

Won't argue with that

In 3 years at Florida State, Roberto Aguayo lined up to kick either a field goal or an extra point 276 times. He made the kick 267 times. 198 for 198 on extra points and 69 of 78 on field goals. He leaves Florida State as the most accurate kicker in NCAA history.

^^^^

I will look up his splits later today about distance.

I will also have to look up what his kickoffs were.  Janikowski was the kind of kicker who could guarantee a touchback. 

You do realize that touchbacks are now going to the 25 don't ya?

No I did not, now I do.

Still think it's worth it.

Just watched the Music City Miracle earlier today

would I be out of line asking why?

It connects to the value of kickers and touchbacks, especially with the kickoff at the 35 now.

If the Bills had a guy who could guarantee a touchback, it means not only would the Titans have not had the chance to do a miracle play, but they would have had to go from the 20 (now the 25), to field goal range in 16 seconds.

Whereas, with a return, you have a chance to get between the 35 and 40, complete a long pass down field, and call timeout. 

So one fluke play almost 20 years ago brought you to that decision.

wow

So far this preseason, he has looked anything but awesome.  He's missed a PAT and three field goals.  He never missed a PAT at Florida State.

That's why you never draft a kicker. And you never trade up and give up multiple draft picks for a kicker

One "good" note is that the Dolphins DIDN'T draft Shaq Lawson, as he is going to need shoulder surgery and will miss at least eight games to start the season.  Now he may go on to have a prolific career, but Miami has not fared well with this type of situation in prior years.  (Bills drafted him if your wondering)

Joey Bosa, the #3 overall pick, remains unsigned by the Chargers; and the Chargers have pulled their best offer saying that at this point Bosa won't be able to contribute all 16 games.  What a mess in SD.

Wasn't his father a Dolphin?

Tony Romo breaks his back...possibly out 6-10 weeks. Difference between this Romo injury and all the other Romo injuries is that Dallas may actually have a decent young backup ready to go in Dak Prescott. It should be interesting to see how he does in real-game action, but he's been dynamite in the preseason...though that's mainly been against backup defenses.

Tony Romo injured...yep, it's officially football season.

If you're a QB not many better situations to be thrown into than that offense. Dallas should be fine especially in that division.

Dallas is stacked at almost every position.  Great place for a young QB to succeed.

Yes, and one that should be well known at this board - he features in the Ring of Dishonor as one half of "The Bust Brothers"

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/rod-bosa-kumerow

BUMP

Aguayo ended up with the worst FG percentage in the league.   He was so bad that the Bucs brought in Nick Folk offor the street to compete with him.   First date of OTAs at One Buc Place, Folk goes 4/4 and Aguayo 1/4

I can actually hear your boys blaring Crazy Train during OTA's right now.  I work across the street from One Buc Place.

How in the world can a kid who was easily the best kicker in college football suddenly lose the ability to find the uprights?

The footballs are a different size/weight.  While most of the time skills are very transferable it is possible his foot is perfectly aligned with a college ball and not the NFL one. 

He took a pay cut when he went pro and lost motivation...lol

Kicking is mental. It's hard to get back once your head is telling you that you will fail. MLB pitchers go through the same thing ... just like Steve Blass, Rick Ankiel, Daniel Bard, Dontrelle Willis, and Mark Wohlers. Wohlers got to the point he was throwing a wild pitch almost once a batter. It was crazy and sad.

He had an above average career outside of his first season.  And his first season was one where he had very little pressure/expectations because of who was on that team and what they accomplished

90% of the game is half mental -- Yogi Berra

It is very mental.

I can vouch from experience

Experience kicking, or experience being mental?


(Who loves ya, baby? That's right...I do.)   ;)

Last night, he made his first field goal, then missed a PAT, then missed a long field goal at the end of the game.   Five minutes ago, the Bucs announced they will be cutting him loose.   The fallout at One Buc Place is going to be tremendous

Three possible reasons:

1. It is a different football.  The pro football is larger. 

2. You have less time in the NFL.

While the skill set is extremely similar the kicking of a college ball and NFL ball has some slight differences.

3. He may have had perfect chemistry with the long snapper and holder in college that has failed to materialize.  If I was the GM I would try to get both those guys if they are UDFA and see if that fixed the problem.

You would take up a roster spot to sign a holder? I wish the Patriots would bring you in to help with their roster.

If that would convert a horrible kicker into the leagues best then yes.  Certainly would use one of my 80 spots for 3 days to find out

NCAA and NFL rules on football dimensions are very similar, although the college rules allow a little more variation. In terms of weight and pressure, the rules are identical (14 to 15 oz, 12.5 to 13.5 psi). In terms of dimensions, NCAA rules allow for greater variations, with both shorter and longer balls allowed (10 7/8" - 11 7/16, compared to 11" - 11 1/4" in the NFL). Finally, while both NCAA and NFL balls have the same maximum for the "fatness" of the ball, the NCAA rules allow for slightly skinnier balls. (Note that rules governing the long circumference mean that a college ball can't be BOTH long and fat... the maximum here is the same as in the NFL.)

In practice, of course, there is only one NFL football. The Duke. Also sometimes referred to as a 1001 pattern football.

In the NCAA, each school decides what football they want to play with, so there is quite a variety. The standard college ball for years was the F1005 pattern Wilson. This was designed to the smallest legal specs. These days, the vast majority of major football colleges use Nike footballs, with Adidas being almost as popular as Wilson. The Nike Vapor One footballs have identical dimensions  to F1005 pattern Wilsons, but I don't know about the Adidas balls (or Western Kentucky's Spalding ball).

So what did Aguayo kick with? Well, FSU uses a Nike ball, but at some point they switched model to a Vapor Elite. I've never seen one in person and wasn't able to find the dimensions online, so I don't know how it differs from the Vapor One.

^^^ [Smacks the "Like" button with great vim and great vigor]

Gotta dig any post where I learn something new about something I already thought I knew a good bit about... ;)

Which is also the preferred method of rolling joints.

There's been a Roberto Aguayo sighting... Panthers just signed the greatest kicker in the history of everywhere and forever to their practice squad.

I am surprised nobody kicked the tires on him sooner.

Surprised the Chargers did bring him in.