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It's just mind-boggling.

I am just speechless watching this game.

I knew I should not have watched this game

And it's official. God is indeed a Patriots fan.

Nah, this has to be the work of the Prince of Darkness ;)

Do I take this game too seriously or something?

Yeah you're right. Brady and Bradshaw with 9 SuperBowl wins can only be the work of one person. Sorry God. :)

You are confusing preparation, coaching and determination for luck. 

Yes NE got some breaks and took advantage of some Falcons mistakes.  But the Falcons got some breaks too. 

Difference between BB and others is his team doesn't view a 28 point lead game over, that is why they won yesterday and are accused of running up the score when the are protecting a lead.

As for luck, hard to argue Edelman's catch which was key in NE winning a super bowl was luck not skill while simultaneously arguing Tryree catch was skill but not luck. 

All teams are both lucky and unlucky, championships are won by taking advantage of your opportunities and overcoming your mistakes.

This will drive some of you crazy. Ref's missed an easy call that helped NE late 4th quarter on the 2 pt try

https://twitter.com/PriscoCBS/status/828641755365048326

There was missed calls on both sides.

All missed calls aren't created equal!

What exactly is he saying the missed call is? He doesn't explicitly state it. I don't think those guys are too far downfield. Also, I need a video rather than just a still photo. Was that a jam on the line by the DB or is it a WR blocking? There really is no context without watching the play happen.

Per the rule they are engaged with the defender and they are blocking before the pass was caught. That is a penalty and a clear penalty on the Pats and the 2 pt conversion should have been replayed from further out.

Look, Atlanta choked the game away and all, no sympathy for them. But don't miss that call and replay the 2 pt conversion from much further out and it's a different story

Article 4. Other Prohibited Acts By the Offense

Blocking more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage by an offensive player prior to a pass being thrown is offensive pass interference. See 8-3-1 for exception for an ineligible offensive player.

Note: It is also pass interference by the offense to block a defender beyond the line while the pass is in the air, if the block occurs in the vicinity of the player to whom the pass is thrown. See 8-3-1-Note for exception for ineligible players.

There are two Patriots receivers engaged in a block in the vicinity of Amendola.

For the record, offsides on ATL was also called on that play, so at worst it would have been a replayed down.

True!

I'm not so sure it was luck, more than the Falcons stalling at the wrong time and the Pats finally clicking. When the Falcons were up 28-9 and I told the group I was with that if the Falcons don't at least get a FG out of the next few drives, the Pats would end up winning. They thought I was nuts because they were up by 3 possessions. I don't think it's luck because they always do this and it's expected.

The Falcons had that game literally in the bag and handed it away.

Like many teams do against New England.

No they did not.

Read the comments.  That is a legal block because they are both within one yard of the line of scrimmage.

That was like the Seahawks play two years ago.

Why wasn't the Seahawks play called OPI then?

Of course teams would only run an illegal play against the Patriots in that situation. 

Of course Miami got more than its share of luck this year.

Not even close. You are wrong like always

You are starting with the wrong premise, that the games in which New England has come from behind were over.  They obviously weren't.

What makes New England a perennial championship caliber team is no game is ever over.  Too many teams either quit when they are up by 3 scores and start celebrating or quit in defeat when the are down by 3 scores.

B.B. attitude when up by 3 posssesions lets make it a 4 possession game.  If down by 3 make it a 2 possession game.  

Read the rules I just posted.  If you are beyond the line of scrimmage AT ALL, you MAY NOT block in the vicinity of a reception.

I have no interest in re-litigating what you think may have happened in some other game.  The picture that was posted shows two NE receivers clearly beyond the line of scrimmage engaged in blocks in the vicinity of a reception.  That is textbook offensive pass interference.

Look at the picture more closely.  In one case it is not clear who is blocking who.  But in one case it is very clear that the falcons player is blocking pats from getting to the end zone rather than pats player blocking the falcons player from getting to the receiver. 

Notice how the patriots players arms are down and the falcons player has his wrapped around the NE player.  If anything that photo shows defensive holding.

Viewing this from a neutral standpoint -

The pass was behind the LOS so isn't blocking downfield allowed?

Plus, ATL ran a similar play with no call.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4AVCbEVMAA5rbQ.jpg:large

So it all seems legit to me.

No, and that has been covered a couple times.

Note: It is also pass interference by the offense to block a defender beyond the line while the pass is in the air, if the block occurs in the vicinity of the player to whom the pass is thrown.

BUT NE WAS ONLY A .0000000000000000000000001% FAVORITE TO WIN AT THE START OF THE 4TH QUARTER!!!!!!

This missed call was just unbelievable.

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/2/5/14518320/super-bowl-2017-penalty-atlanta-falcons-facemask-new-england-patriots

Seriously, what were the refs looking at to miss the facemask?

I can't even count how many times I watched a Patriots game this year where the outside blocker is holding outside contain, which in turn breaks a big play to the outside with no call...Superbowl included.

I thought the same thing during the play but look at the video closely. Sanu is also grabbing the Patriots facemask while trying to give a stiff arm. At best, there should have been three penalties during this play, resulting in a replay of the down.

Wrong again, that is a facemask on the FALCONS because the receiver rips off the defenders helmet. 

Here's a tip. If you want to complain about a bad call.

1) It has to be clearly wrong

2) It has to dramatically impact the game.

For example, an offensive pass interference call that is clearly incorrect with 4:30 in the second quarter of a game in which you are leading 21-3 and driving inside the twenty, that stops the drive and allows the other team to cut the deficit to 21-6 at the half instead of being down 24-3 or more likely 28-3 at the half.

THAT is a game altering call. 

The Patriots could have won at least two and possibly three Super Bowls if not clearly bad officiating. 

No it does not actually.

Both receivers have parts of their bodies behind the one yard marker.

Can I partake in the NFL's concussion settlement because you guys make me bang my head against a wall. 

My rule is it's not over until the other team has to recover two onside kicks to comeback.

That was never the case last night.

I've read this 8 times and I still don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Defenders are allowed to engage receivers within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage.
Receivers are not allowed to engage defenders beyond the LOS in the vicinity of a reception, and are in fact required to AVOID contact with defenders; otherwise, you could have receivers run pick plays "with their arms down" all day long.

But no matter how you slice it, Hogan has clearly engaged a defender forward of the LOS in the vicinity of a reception, which (combined with the offsides from ATL) meant this down should have been replayed, no matter what else was happening.  So whether or not defensive holding should have been called doesn't even matter.

Why do you keep bringing up the one yard marker?  It is NOT RELEVANT.

If there is a pass being thrown to a target in the vicinity, offensive players MAY NOT block defenders unless they are BEHIND the line of scrimmage.  It is no different than throwing a forward pass; if you are even one inch ahead of the LOS, you have violated the rule.

I agree Hoodie, the refs were at best inconsistent in this game, which itself is not a good thing. Calls were missed both ways.

Patriots seem to get the worst of it in the first half, a few plays before the Brady pick-six Lewis was driven head first into the ground after the play was basically over (in AFL that would be called a spear tackle and the player would get a lengthy suspension): I was very surprised it did not draw a flag and a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty (something also said by Troy Aitken at the time during the broadcast). Likewise, on the first play of the Pats second series Edelman got hit well out of bounds after the run around the edge, it should have been another 15 yard penalty: no flag. For the first quarter and a half the refs seemed to be ignoring all kinds of defensive holding, then halfway through the second pulled out three in a row on 3rd down (which were all correct calls).

If the Patriots lost I would safely bet we would hear their fans screaming they were robbed by the refs too. As it is, the Falcons blew a massive lead and their fans are whinging about the bad calls/non calls by the refs - in the end they did not decide the game, the Falcons choked and the Patriots were good enough to pull off the big comeback and book their (deserved) place in NFL history.

2005 Divisional Playoffs.  After the Broncos decided to play like shit in the first half, the refs stepped in.  With the Patriots winning 3-0, Asante Samuel was called for a phantom PI, which set up a touchdown.  Later in the game, Ben Watson forced Champ Bailey to fumble out of the back on the end zone on an interception return, which should have been a touchback.  Instead, the refs gave the ball to Denver at the one, setting up another score.

2006 AFC championship game:  They were up 21-3 and driving for another score late in the first half when a horrible OPI on Troy Brown took away a first down inside the twenty and pushed them out of field goal range.  They punted and the Colts closed the gap to 21-6 at the half instead of being down 24-3 or more likely 28-3.  Then in the second half, the refs called a phantom PI on Ellis Hobbs, which the league later admitted was wrong, to set up the tying score.  Later, Reche Caldwell was mugged in the end zone on a pass with no flag thrown

2007 Super Bowl:  No call on the Tyree catch, where there was holding, which is why Manning was able to escape.

Is it clear now?

All three of these games bolster my point of how lucky Brady is.

In 2005, the Broncos were clearly better than the Patriots but they just WANTED to lose more.  That's why they made stupid decisions throughout the game and when Bailey, a veteran, did the dumbest thing you could think of, by not being aware of where he was on the field.  Only Brady gets a break like that.

2006:  The Chargers handed the divisional game to the Patriots by fumbling an interception and making countless other stupid plays and turnovers.  Then, the only reason the Patriots were up 21-3 is because the Colts couldn't recover a fumble.

2007:  Brady threw three interceptions in the AFC title game, then the Giants tried to give the Super Bowl away with costly fumbles and a turnover that should have been a completion.  Then, Eli missed a wide open Burress in the fourth quarter that could have put the game away.

Can you please make up your mind as to whether the Patriots are extremely lucky or extremely unlucky?  You are complaining both about their opponents' futility AND the refs making bad calls against them.

Fify

As for d4l, it is quite confusing. At first I thought he was doing sarcasm really badly.

This is exactly what I said and you quoted me. What the hell are you talking about?

I really had to look this up to make sure this wasn't some Australian announcer.

Whoops, I meant Aikman.  :-[ :D

I meant to quote BeanCounter.

I need to look up the rule but I think whoever grabs the facemask first is the offender.

I am saying they get lucky because their opponents literally roll over and hand games to them.  That's how they often win.

Also, when they lose they often get bad calls which cause them to lose. 

I can't stand the Patriots, but I would hardly call them "lucky".  Brady is the best QB to ever play the game and even though Coach Shula is like a god to me, Belichick is most likely the best coach of all time.