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Title: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Dave Gray on August 25, 2017, 11:36:23 am
MoviePass is a subscription service like Netflix, but for attending movies in the theater. 

You are allowed entrance to up to one 2D movie per day (no 3D, IMAX, DBox, etc).
You can go to any major chain (91% of all theaters in the US)
There are no blackout dates -- you can go on opening night or whenever.
You cannot go to see the same movie more than once.
You cannot buy your ticket prior to the day that you're watching the movie.

$9.99 a month.


I just signed up.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Sunstroke on August 25, 2017, 01:28:06 pm

Can't wait to get my card in the mail...



Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: masterfins on August 25, 2017, 01:58:32 pm
I've been trying to sign up but the site keeps crashing.  I read an article that since they lowered the price from $35-$45 in some markets to this $9.95 nationwide that they added 150,000 subscribers in two days, which was their goal for the entire year.

I'm not a big theater goer, but for $9.95 I'll sign up.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 25, 2017, 01:58:48 pm
The main time I go to see movies is on/near release, which gives this questionable value for me.

It seems to me that unless a) you don't buy concessions and b) you enjoy going to movies by yourself (or: you buy two MoviePasses), this isn't as good of a value as it appears at first blush.  Still, it's nice to have options.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: pondwater on August 25, 2017, 02:15:42 pm
I could be wrong, but from what I can tell. MoviePass card is a prepaid Mastercard that is only good for tickets at theaters that accept MasterCard. And due to the MasterCard merchant agreement, the theaters have to accept the card for tickets.

Now there are two things that intrigue me about this situation. First, if the subscription is $9.95 and MoviePass pays retail price for every ticket that the subscriber uses. Then MoviePass is going to lose a shitload of money if they don't have some other kind of way to make up the difference between $9.95 and however many tickets at retail price the subscriber uses.

Next, AMC the biggest theater chain in the country is fighting this. Why? They are getting full price for each ticket from MoviePass. More asses in the seats equals more profit from ticket sales and concession sales. So I'm not sure where AMC's gripe comes from since they are making more money and MoviePass will eat the losses. There's got to be more going on behind the scenes than we know about.

It seems like a good deal, but I only go to the movies once every couple months so it wouldn't be a good deal for me. Then again there aren't many good movies coming out these days that I actually look forward to seeing. And with Kodi, PopcornTime, Showbox, and Terrarium TV you can pretty much watch most stuff within 30-60 days of it hitting the theater. It is intriguing though.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Sunstroke on August 25, 2017, 03:16:21 pm

It seems to me that unless a) you don't buy concessions and b) you enjoy going to movies by yourself (or: you buy two MoviePasses), this isn't as good of a value as it appears at first blush.  Still, it's nice to have options.

Not sure what the concessions have to do with it. You buy concessions when you pay full price for a movie...you buy concessions when you are on a discount plan like MoviePass. Unless you're referring to a person buying exponentially more concessions based on the number of movies they are seeing, concessions really aren't a factor in the value, at least as far as the end consumer is concerned.



Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: masterfins on August 27, 2017, 10:21:39 pm
I would have to imagine that MoviePass has a contract with the theater chains to purchase seats at a discounted price from full retail, otherwise there is no reason for AMC to be upset by this (which they are).  By greatly increasing their membership, AMC, and other chains, are going to start losing out on the people that would normally pay full retail to see a movie, especially in big cities where there are premium ticket prices for certain showings.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 28, 2017, 01:12:57 am
Not sure what the concessions have to do with it. You buy concessions when you pay full price for a movie...you buy concessions when you are on a discount plan like MoviePass. Unless you're referring to a person buying exponentially more concessions based on the number of movies they are seeing, concessions really aren't a factor in the value, at least as far as the end consumer is concerned.
Pretty much.

Suppose that currently, I go to see 1 movie a month (let's say $10 for the ticket), and I spend $10 on popcorn+soda for that movie, for a total of $20.  Now with MoviePass, I can see many more movies; 10 movies seems like a pretty good return on investment.  But if I continue to get the same concessions I normally get at a movie, I have now spent $100 in concessions for the 10 movies I have seen, for a total of $110.

When you compare $10 for one movie ticket to $10 for a month's worth of movie tickets, MoviePass seems like a great deal.  But when you compare $20 for one ticket+concessions to $110 for ten tickets+concessions, that doesn't seem so impressive anymore.

Now, if you're the type of person that's already content to bring a bottle of water to the theater and only spend money on the ticket, then yes, you can get a good value with MoviePass.  But if you normally get concessions when you see a movie, if you are not willing to drastically curtail those purchases MoviePass can end up costing you a lot of money.



Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Sunstroke on August 28, 2017, 10:31:02 am
Now, if you're the type of person that's already content to bring a bottle of water to the theater and only spend money on the ticket, then yes, you can get a good value with MoviePass.

Pretty much 50/50, I suppose...sometimes I'll pay for a soda and popcorn. Sometimes I sneak in a bottled drink and some chocolate snacks.



Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: DaLittle B on August 28, 2017, 11:06:22 am
I don't go to the theater,not enough movies I care to plunk down $$ to see,crowds,the experience is a bit overrated imo Etc,Etc...

I can see it for most people,much more of sign up for a month or 2,drop it for a few months,and repeat.I think the NOT being able to see a movie more than once (it seems big movies,a lot of people tend to see those 2,3,and maybe even 4 times),means you're going to run out of movies that you'd actually want to see fairly quick.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on August 28, 2017, 11:52:39 am
Like most unlimited programs....it is a really good deal if you already consume a lot of the product. 

I am not buying moviepass.

But let say you are someone who typically goes to the movies twice a week.  Getting movie pass will save you money.  Doesn't matter if you buy snacks or not.  If before you were buying tickets and overprices snacks you aren't spending anymore for the overpriced snacks just less for admission to the movie.

I know someone who loves going to the movies.  She goes to 5-10 movies per week and she rarely sees the same movie twice.  This is perfect for her.  (She never buys snacks at the movies, but brings a soda and candy in her large pocketbook.)


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Dave Gray on August 28, 2017, 01:20:27 pm
I plan on using this as a reason to go to the movies more.  ...not simply as a way to spend less.  I see it as a way to do something that I wish I could do a lot more of, but it is normally cost-prohibitive.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Spider-Dan on August 28, 2017, 02:28:33 pm
Like most unlimited programs....it is a really good deal if you already consume a lot of the product. 
That's the key.  If you already go a lot, then it is an unambiguously good deal. But if you use MoviePass to go more frequently than you were before, you need to take concessions into account.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: masterfins on August 29, 2017, 02:13:46 pm
I plan on using this as a reason to go to the movies more.  ...not simply as a way to spend less.  I see it as a way to do something that I wish I could do a lot more of, but it is normally cost-prohibitive.

+1

Plus it opens you up to movies you may not normally want to pay to see.  You can go to a movie you aren't really thrilled about and find out it's really great, or halfway through it may suck like you thought it would and you can just get up and leave and not feel bad that you wasted money on it.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Cathal on August 29, 2017, 02:22:05 pm
It might help people go to the movies more often, as you say Dave. There are a lot of times where I don't want to spend $10 or so on a movie that I don't know if it'll be worth that much money. But, with this, there really isn't any critical thinking necessary. Just go see the movie.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Dave Gray on August 29, 2017, 03:24:34 pm
Plus it opens you up to movies you may not normally want to pay to see.

Exactly this.  I find myself almost exclusively going to "event movies", even though I probably will like some of these smaller films more, but I can't justify the cost of seeing an intimate drama on the big-screen.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Dave Gray on August 31, 2017, 05:37:50 pm
I have been thinking a lot about this.  (Don't have my card yet.)

I think that this model is the wave of the future for movies.  If theaters fight this and win, they will die out.  Movies are prohibitively expensive, which means that the average person is only going to a few a year.  If you're only going to a few a year, you're likely to see these big tent-pole releases.  Because of that, movie studios will make sure that their tent-pole releases are generally non-offensive, don't take risks, and appeal to the 4 quadrants.  Movies will be shittier and it will kill the mid-budget film (which is already happening).

But also, my solution to this problem currently is just not going to the movie.  I wait until it's free on a service or I steal it from one of several sources online or through friends or whatever.  I think the theaters only chance at survival is to get my couple of bucks and entice to me go all the time.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on August 31, 2017, 05:45:28 pm
I have been thinking a lot about this.  (Don't have my card yet.)

I think that this model is the wave of the future for movies.  If theaters fight this and win, they will die out.  Movies are prohibitively expensive, which means that the average person is only going to a few a year.  If you're only going to a few a year, you're likely to see these big tent-pole releases.  Because of that, movie studios will make sure that their tent-pole releases are generally non-offensive, don't take risks, and appeal to the 4 quadrants.  Movies will be shittier and it will kill the mid-budget film (which is already happening).

But also, my solution to this problem currently is just not going to the movie.  I wait until it's free on a service or I steal it from one of several sources online or through friends or whatever.  I think the theaters only chance at survival is to get my couple of bucks and entice to me go all the time.

I think a lot of the success of movie pass from a theater's perspective will depend on the outcome of this thread

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=24857.0

If the increase in concession revenue offsets the decline in ticket revenues the theaters win.  If too many movie pass users skip the concession line, the theaters lose.



Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Dave Gray on August 31, 2017, 05:48:21 pm
Theaters don't lose, though.  They still get reimbursed the full price of every ticket sold.

From a theater perspective, they WILL make more money by people going to movies more.  Period, concessions or not.

The argument that AMC is making is that MoviePass will fail, and in doing so, set an expectation that movies should cost $10 a month, so it will hurt sales later and drive people away from films.  I think that AMC is living in an age that no longer exists, when you can just as easily steal any movie you want and every streaming service is going to have the movie in 6 months anyway.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: pondwater on September 04, 2017, 10:31:09 am
Theaters don't lose, though.  They still get reimbursed the full price of every ticket sold.

From a theater perspective, they WILL make more money by people going to movies more.  Period, concessions or not.

The argument that AMC is making is that MoviePass will fail, and in doing so, set an expectation that movies should cost $10 a month, so it will hurt sales later and drive people away from films.  I think that AMC is living in an age that no longer exists, when you can just as easily steal any movie you want and every streaming service is going to have the movie in 6 months anyway.
AMC should take the money and shut up IMO. I still don't see how MoviePass is making any money. If a sub goes to more than one movie a month they will lose money on that sub. Maybe they are banking on the mail in rebate and extended warranty model that the majority will just buy at $10 a month and then not bother/forget to go to the movies and never cancel the subscription because it's such a "great" deal. You have to remember, most people really aren't that good with money.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: masterfins on September 06, 2017, 12:43:43 pm
Has anyone received their card yet?  I'm still waiting, I imagine with the influx of all the new customers at once it slowed things down.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 06, 2017, 12:59:44 pm
I haven't checked today, but I hadn't gotten it as of Monday.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Sunstroke on September 06, 2017, 01:48:39 pm

I got my card last week.



Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 07, 2017, 09:54:36 am
I still haven't gotten mine as of yesterday, and with the hurricane coming, it might be a while longer.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: pondwater on September 07, 2017, 01:15:19 pm
I still haven't gotten mine as of yesterday, and with the hurricane coming, it might be a while longer.
You may get the card, but there may be no theaters left to go to...


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: masterfins on September 07, 2017, 01:40:13 pm
You may get the card, but there may be no theaters left to go to...

Always a ray of sunshine!   ::)


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: masterfins on September 07, 2017, 01:41:28 pm
I just received an email that said there is a 2-3 week delay in mailing out cards due to unprecedented demand.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 15, 2017, 03:38:58 pm
I still don't have my card as of this morning.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: masterfins on September 15, 2017, 06:36:27 pm
^^^ Yeah I don't have mine yet either; and I just received another email from them saying there is still a 2-3 week delay due to the demand (even though they have added workers and increased production from their vendor).  The email also said there was an accidental reshuffling of the order to make cards, so this may delay things further.


Title: Re: MoviePass -- the best deal ever?
Post by: Dave Gray on September 17, 2017, 09:50:15 pm
Got my card today