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For only a 2nd round pick. Word is they had offers of just a 1st rounder from Cleveland in April but insisted it wasn't enough and asked for multiple picks in return. Now they settle for just a 2nd round pick.

Pats getting killed for this trade. And with how Brissett is playing for Indy (not  a star, but decent actually) I don't understand why the Pats are clearing out their QB's with Brady who is now 40.

Not surprising given Brady has remained healthy this year, and wants to continue playing for a couple more years.  It wouldn't have been very Patriotlike to pay Garoppolo big money to ride the bench.

IMO Garoppolo is thee most overrated QB in the NFL.  In his three seasons he has completed a total of 63 passes for a mere 690 yards, yet he is raved about.  He had a great college career, but it was Eastern Illinois, not exactly a D-1 powerhouse.  Now that he has gone to the 49ers, lets face it they suck, he is going to have to really prove himself.  I hope he enjoys his two SB rings because it's not likely he'll be sniffing another for quite some time.

I read the contract has to do with it only being a 2nd rounder - or more specifically that he comes out of contract at the end of this season. 49ers only have half a season to evaluate if he is worth shelling out $$$ for next year onwards.

Both the Pats and the Bills now have seven picks in the first two rounds for 2018.  I'm guessing the Pats are looking to trade up and draft Brady's replacement

Combined not both.  nep has an extra 2nd, bills an extra 1 & 2.

They bought the right to franchise him.

The 49ers tried to get Garoppolo during the offseason, so not 100% shocked that this trade happened. I am about as excited as I can be over a QB with two career starts though, and hope he turns out to be the franchise QB that we need.

Bottom line on this deal, at least to me, is that we only had to give up a second round pick (albeit a very high 2nd rounder) for "another" potential solution to our QB problems. If Garoppolo meets the lofty expectations, sign him long-term or tag him and work out the extension next year. If he doesn't show himself to be the answer, we can still go after Kirk Cousins this offseason. If Cousins doesn't sign, we can still tag Garoppolo, draft one of the elite QB prospects in this class (which would make me sad, as I really-really want Saquon Barkley as Hyde's replacement), and use Garoppolo as a bridge until the prospect is ready.

We still have a significant amount of draft capital, plus a ton of cap room. This is obviously a write-off season for SF, but at least I like the direction we're going now.

The Ironic part is the better he is the less he will cost.  If he sucks he could cost SF the 33rd pick.  If he is great, possibly something in the low 40s


Tagging him to use a bridge makes no sense.  There are cheaper options to use as a place holder.

It is rare I criticize BB for anything, but damn, if you wanted Hoyer why risk not getting him?  Deal should have been JB for 2nd round and BH.   

With the way SF is playing, their 2nd will basically be a low 1st.  If you're Cleveland, San Fran, Tampa, or the Giants, would you trade out of your top five pick for all three of New England's first and second round picks?

The word is that including Hoyer would have affected compensatory draft picks for one of the two teams.

edit: Yep. (https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/10/30/16579320/patriots-49ers-brian-hoyer-originally-part-jimmy-garoppolo-trade-but-yanked-compensatory-draft-picks)  NE wasn't sure if getting Hoyer via trade would mean they would have to give up one of the 4th round compensatory picks they are scheduled to receive.

Well......that is pretty consistent if I am disagreeing with BB it means I am wrong

This whole "Cleveland offered ___ last year" stuff...

Did ANYONE ever actually verify this?  Or did someone pull it out thin air and we've all run with it since?  I've read that not only did Cleveland not offer their 1st rounder they never wanted Jimmy G. 

It is possible it was believed to be the case and there was never a chance NE was ever going to get more than a 2nd rounder for an unproven QB with less than 10 QUARTERS under his belt?

NE made out well in this.  They drafted the kid w/a 2nd.  Had a good insurance policy for a couple years then shipped him out for a higher 2nd.  It's like driving a car for two or three years and getting more than you paid for it in a trade.  When has that ever happened to you?

Numerous places confirmed it. Google it. Heck it was reported on draft night on both NFL Network and ESPN that the pats wanted the higher of the Browns first round picks not the lower of the first round picks and Cleveland wasn't budging

Per Google:

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Bolt/Cleveland-Browns-did-not-offer-first-round-NFL-Draft-pick-for-Ji-109728409

So a case of conflicting reports once again. Comes down to who ya believe I guess. One is FAKE NEWS the other is right

Yeah...but this not quite as good as Moss buy for a 4th sell for a 3rd or Cassel buy for a 7th sell for a 2nd.  So by NE standards......😀😀😀

>>"Browns coach Hue Jackson wanted Garoppolo more than any other quarterback aside from possibly Jared Goff (who wasn’t available to Cleveland because the Rams took him with the first overall pick last year), according to Mike Silver of NFL Media."

https://sports.yahoo.com/hue-jackson-puts-word-wanted-123510565.html

Problem with assessing the interest of any particular coaches interest in any particular player is any direct statement by anyone with actual knowledge is tampering.  As for what is reported it is not unusual for teams to send false signals to drive up or down the price.  Sufficient to say Cleveland didn't offer enough to convince BB to make a trade, SF did.

Apparently Lynch inquired about trading for Brady.  BB said no.  Such a trade would make a lot less sense for the 49ers.  It is quite possible for the 49ers to build a supporting cas around JG before JG retires, it would be impossible with TB. 

"Report: Patriots listening to offers for Tom Brady"

So, Jimmy G is now 1-0 as the 49ers starter. I'm just going to go ahead and order my Super Bowl tickets for next season now...beat the rush. ;)

I would love to see Brady vs Jimmy in the Super Bowl. There has already a super bowl in which the only two head coaches Bob Kraft has hired faced each other.

That makes him 3-0 as a starter all-time if, I recall correctly.

Jimmy G is now 2-0 as the 49ers starter, so it's pretty obvious that San Francisco will never lose another game again...forever. 

I only stopped dancing in the streets long enough to post...

 ;)

Alright, Jimmy G is now 3-0 as a starter, and I've adjusted my GOAT QB rankings to reflect the obvious awesomeness of Jimmy G's game.

Greatest QB of All Time List

#1) Garoppolo
#2) Joe Montana
#3) Tom Brady

 ;)   ::)   >:D

Consider the following:

If Goodell doesn't suspend Brady for Deflategate, Garoppolo is still sitting as an unknown on NE's bench.  That suspension put him on the field, and his performance priced him out of NE's range.  Then NE traded him for a 2nd, which is getting worse every week.

The moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards justice.

You flip a coin before that one?

John Lynch is looking more and more intelligent every week!

He is 5-0 as a starter.  By the only measure that would earn Jimmy the number one spot, the list would be....

1. Jimmy
2 Otto Graham
3 Brady
4 Lamonica
5 Staubach
6 Montana

If you're John Lynch, where do you go from here?  Do you franchise tag him and see what you have for a full season or do you try to lock him in to a long term deal right now?

Today's special is Crow, roasted in an apricot and tomato chutney, with fava beans...and a nice Chianti (f-f-f-f-f):

I think they try to work out the long-term this offseason, but if it doesn't get done, the tag is a nice fallback position.  That said, the 49ers have a Greek boatload of cap space, so I'd wager that the deal gets done in pretty short order.

I don't know if I would be touting the superior acumen of a GM who fielded a roster that started 0-9 and is on track to win 4 games, solely because he made the groundbreaking decision to sign Tom Brady's backup.  Maybe that's me.

He also drafted some young talent that is poised to blossom in the years to come and totally fleeced the Bears in the Mitchell Trubisky trade up. 

Anything that is inherently anti-49ers is you. It is known...


Indeed...his draft picks are looking very impressive early. Three last areas to hit with the new talent stick...OG, cover corner and maybe one big fat fucker to stuff the middle runs.

Makes sense for both parties to sign a long term deal with guaranteed money equal around 1.5x the franchise tag.  If Jimmy turns out to be the answer you don't want to have to apply a second tag.  JG should want a deal that means that if he struggles but doesn't absolutely suck, he will have a second year to prove himself in the same offense. 

I am a 49ers fan this week.

Again, I don't recall anyone talking about his great draft when the 49ers were 0-9.

I'm not begrudging you the choice to be optimistic about your team.  But the idea that critics of John Lynch should be eating crow because the 49ers are 4-10 is absurd.

I'm guessing you don't spend much time around 49ers fans, because we've been talking about our rookies all season. A whopping 8 of them are looking like big parts of the 49ers future.

Rd 1) DL Solomon Thomas has played through some minor injuries, but is putting up decent numbers as part of SF's D-line rotation.
Rd 1) LB Reuben Foster, once he got healthy, has been a beast. He's everywhere...and he doesn't miss tackles.
Rd 3) CB Akhello Witherspoon has flashed some excellent coverage ability and is now starting.   
Rd 3) QB CJ Beathard started 5 games as a mid round rookie and looks like he'll be fine as Jimmy G's backup.
Rd 4) RB Joe Williams has been injured all year...grade incomplete.
Rd 5) TE George Kittle has arguably been SF's #4 target this season, with 36 receptions for 373 yds.
Rd 5) WR Trent Taylor has settled in as our slot WR and return man, and has pretty much identical production as Kittle.
Rd 7) CB Adrian Colbert has actually been playing at safety, and has put up very good numbers, including a few big plays during the current win streak.

At best you can say is the 2017 draft has the potential to be a good draft class assuming everyone can get/stay healthy.  It is not exactly as if the DROY is a two man race between Thomas and Foster.  It would be premature to call John Lynch a bust as GM, but I would hold off making plans to attend his induction in the HOF as a team exec.

If John Lynch ever comes to work for the Pats, then you can hold off on whatever your heart desires.

In the meantime, thanks for giving us a franchise QB for the cost of a Happy Meal. As a way of showing my appreciation, the next time the Pats get caught cheating (which, face it, happens pretty regularly), they get a free pass from me...not one word of condemnation.

It's cool, the rest of us will.

Actually, since I live in the Bay Area and listen to sports radio every day, I hear quite a lot from 49er fans.  And approximately 0% of the discussion from them has been about Lynch's amazing draft class.  Until a month ago, it was how terrible the team was in every facet of the game, and since Jimmy G started, it's all been about how he's the next Aaron Rodgers.

So, you basically have been listening to the Oakland Raiders fans talking about the 49ers...got it.

Now, if you're quite finished attempting to urinate on my breakfast cereal, please kindly go fuck yourself.

Then repeat as necessary...  ;D

High 2nd round pick is a happy meal?

If NE let him go to FA they would have gotten a late 2019 3rd round pick instead of high 2018 2nd.

If they tagged and traded, there is little reason to think they would have done better than the 49rs 2nd.  Cassel was 11-5 and only got a 2nd.  (Technically 10-5, but I credit him for week 1) Plus between tag and trade they would have cap issues limiting their ability to sign other players.  Plus lose their tag leverage with other FAs.

Better hope SF loses their last two, or it will end up being a mid-2nd rounder. ;)

It's not Raider fans that are saying that the 49ers need to make room in the trophy case.

Optimism about Garoppolo is certainly justified.  I just don't want to hear about the amazing work of a GM that looked completely incompetent for 3/4ths of the season so far.

You think the GM has some modicum of control for how players play on Sunday?  I can't wait for your 45 minute filibuster to justify that one.

Check that...I can wait.  ::)

Well, if you aren't grading the GM on the performance of the players he selected for the team, what are you grading him on... ticket revenue (https://twitter.com/MattKellerABC7/status/910845436180668416)?

Be shocked if was not in the top 1/4 eg. top 8.

If we offered up a survey to everyone who has ever held the GM position for an NFL franchise and asked "Would you give up an early 2nd round pick for a franchise QB?" I wonder how many of them would say the price is too high.

Pretty sure it would be unanimous...  ;)

for 6 weeks?  He is a free agent at the end of the year.  You have the right to pay him as if he is the 5th best QB in the league. 

Wow, you all really like bashing the 49ers.  Congratualtions on a franchise QB Stroke.  New England would have been smart to hold on to him, but hey!  a 2nd round pick!  hahaha

Jimmy Garoppolo will be in SF longer than Brady will remain in NE...guaranteed.


Exactly...I'm dancing in the fucking streets here. ;D

Sf wins another

Not that it will matter in the end but with each win New England drops in the draft.

NE gets a lower draft pick and the price of Jimmy G's next contract increases.  If you're not a fan of the Patriots or the 49ers, not a bad development.

With any luck, SF will make Jimmy G one of the highest-paid players in the league, with lots of guaranteed money.

Win dropped us a couple of spots but guaranteed a bye.  I will take it

Yeah, I just got the letter from the 49ers organization, asking us fans to all pitch in to pay for it...

Oh, They announced ticket prices increase already?

From where I'm sitting in Florida, that's pretty much a non-issue. ;)

just a quick update BB did not take a player with the 49rs pick...he traded it and traded again this is what NE got for Jimmy G

CB Duke Dawson (No. 56 overall, 2018)
LB Christian Sam (No. 178 overall, 2018)
RB Damien Harris (No. 87 overall, 2019)
T Yodny Cajuste (No. 101 overall, 2019)
QB Jarrett Stidham (No. 133 overall, 2019)
2020 Fourth-Round Pick From Chicago

Good for you  :P tell us again how great it is to be a patsies fan.

I'm thinking Stidham feels like he won the lottery.

Might be the best place for him.  A lot of pre draft assessment was he was not close to being ready to play day one, but has outstanding potential with good coaching to develop into a top notch QB.  Nobody expects him to play this year.  Team has top notch coaching and the patriots more than most teams care about the bottom of the roster.   

On the topic of updates, has everyone finished their plate of crow for doubting John Lynch's acumen as a GM?

If it wasn't for Lynch's acumen as a GM SF would not have been able to select Bosa with the second pick.  There are some on this board that are hoping Grier has the acumen of Steve Keim and can land the Dolphins the first pick.