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Title: Looking ahead now
Post by: dolphins4life on December 12, 2017, 02:08:55 am
Miami probably has to win it's next three games.  All of which are very winnable

If they can do this, they earn valuable tiebreakers over the Chiefs, Chargers, and Bills.

Baltimore has the easiest remaining schedule against CLE, IND, and CIN.

Tennesse has three games left against SF, LAR, and JAX

I guess we will all be 49ers fans next week.




Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: hordman on December 12, 2017, 07:20:35 am
The hurdle is BAL, which should handle their remaining 3 games.  Maybe, maybe CIN gives them a game to end the year but it looks like they go 3-0

I think TEN is done, see them going 1-2 down the stretch. 

I think the TB loss comes back to bite us in the ass, which is a shame, since the bad call by the Ref for the apparent safety changed the outcome of that game for sure.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Pappy13 on December 13, 2017, 11:27:35 am
While I'd love to see the Dolphins finish 9-7, I'm not sure I even want them to make the playoffs. I'd fear another poor showing in the playoffs against superior teams away from Miami. I've been there and done that and it doesn't feel good.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 13, 2017, 05:16:53 pm
While I'd love to see the Dolphins finish 9-7, I'm not sure I even want them to make the playoffs. I'd fear another poor showing in the playoffs against superior teams away from Miami. I've been there and done that and it doesn't feel good.
Feels worse not to make the playoffs


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Baba Booey on December 13, 2017, 06:58:16 pm
While I'd love to see the Dolphins finish 9-7, I'm not sure I even want them to make the playoffs. I'd fear another poor showing in the playoffs against superior teams away from Miami. I've been there and done that and it doesn't feel good.

one of the dumbest things I have ever read. You would rather not make the playoffs out of fear of losing in the playoffs?!  Wow, just wow


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Pappy13 on December 14, 2017, 09:19:15 pm
one of the dumbest things I have ever read. You would rather not make the playoffs out of fear of losing in the playoffs?!  Wow, just wow
Please tell me what good comes from making the playoffs only to get embarrassed on wild card weekend. I've been there and done that several times now and it sucks just as bad as missing the playoffs in my opinion. If I had even a bit of hope that Miami wouldn't be embarrassed then I'd hope for a playoff birth, but unfortunately I have none. This team should NOT make the playoffs. Maybe I'd feel different if they won their last 5 in a row, but I kinda doubt it. I think some of you have forgotten the last 3 playoff appearances by Miami. I fell into the trap last year thinking they had been playing pretty good football only to see them completely fall apart in the playoffs and be totally outclassed. That hurt. I don't need that again this year. Just play out the season and we'll see how next year goes.

2016 Lost 12-30. Game over in the 1st quarter down 14-3.
2008 Lost 9-27. Never led after 1st quarter.
2001 Lost 3-20. Never led after 1st quarter.




Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on December 15, 2017, 12:11:42 am
one of the dumbest things I have ever read. You would rather not make the playoffs out of fear of losing in the playoffs?!  Wow, just wow

If you don't think you can go deep in the playoffs, what good will it do you to make them?  All that mean is that you get a lower draft pick. 


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 15, 2017, 01:54:42 am
If you don't think you can go deep in the playoffs, what good will it do you to make them?  All that mean is that you get a lower draft pick. 
DEN was a playoff team in 2011.
MIA was not.
Guess which one of the Peyton Manning Sweepstakes finalists won?

Having a competitive team makes you a more attractive option for free agents, and for retaining your own players without having to wildly overspend.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 15, 2017, 06:50:35 am
Please tell me what good comes from making the playoffs only to get embarrassed on wild card weekend. I've been there and done that several times now and it sucks just as bad as missing the playoffs in my opinion. If I had even a bit of hope that Miami wouldn't be embarrassed then I'd hope for a playoff birth, but unfortunately I have none. This team should NOT make the playoffs. Maybe I'd feel different if they won their last 5 in a row, but I kinda doubt it. I think some of you have forgotten the last 3 playoff appearances by Miami. I fell into the trap last year thinking they had been playing pretty good football only to see them completely fall apart in the playoffs and be totally outclassed. That hurt. I don't need that again this year. Just play out the season and we'll see how next year goes.

2016 Lost 12-30. Game over in the 1st quarter down 14-3.
2008 Lost 9-27. Never led after 1st quarter.
2001 Lost 3-20. Never led after 1st quarter.



The reason why is if your team is in the playoffs, there is still a chance, however slim, to get to the Superbowl.  The Giants were 9-7 when they won one.  Just because you think it's meaningless, doesn't mean the rest of us do.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: fyo on December 15, 2017, 09:38:04 am
Any
Given
Sunday


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 15, 2017, 02:15:20 pm
*IF* Miami makes the playoffs it will be because they won the last five in a row.  That means they will be entering the playoffs hot.  While they would still not be favored it would mean that the team started coming together and has the chance at winning.  Would be not much more of a long shot than the 10-6 Giants in 2007. 


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Pappy13 on December 15, 2017, 03:48:11 pm
The reason why is if your team is in the playoffs, there is still a chance, however slim, to get to the Superbowl.  The Giants were 9-7 when they won one.  Just because you think it's meaningless, doesn't mean the rest of us do.
Hey, I never said that anyone else shouldn't be rooting for them to win the Superbowl. More power to you. I was only speaking for myself.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Pappy13 on December 15, 2017, 03:49:05 pm
*IF* Miami makes the playoffs it will be because they won the last five in a row.  That means they will be entering the playoffs hot.  While they would still not be favored it would mean that the team started coming together and has the chance at winning.  Would be not much more of a long shot than the 10-6 Giants in 2007. 
*IF* Miami wins their last 5, then we'll talk. I doubt that's gonna happen. Even if it does, the chances that Miami makes the playoffs are slim. They would then have to win 3 more games on the road just to make the Superbowl. If Miami wins the Superbowl they'll have to change the saying to "So you're telling me there's a chance, like Miami in 2018".


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Baba Booey on December 16, 2017, 02:49:03 am
Loser of the AFC West probably makes the playoffs as a wild card (KC or LA). Then you have the Ravens. And Tennessee is already at 8 wins.  Even if Miami wins out and ends up at 9-7 I just don't see how they get in honestly. Too much needs to happen


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 16, 2017, 12:57:49 pm
Loser of the AFC West probably makes the playoffs as a wild card (KC or LA). Then you have the Ravens. And Tennessee is already at 8 wins.  Even if Miami wins out and ends up at 9-7 I just don't see how they get in honestly. Too much needs to happen
Not really.  They win out and their odds increase to 50/50 to make the playoffs.  If you still doubt, you're being pessimistic.  That is, IF they can win out.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 18, 2017, 12:53:31 pm
Not really.  They win out and their odds increase to 50/50 to make the playoffs.  If you still doubt, you're being pessimistic.  That is, IF they can win out.
Nevermind lol


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Pappy13 on December 18, 2017, 01:17:10 pm
Last year there was good reason to be optimistic at the end of the year. This year, not so much. I can be optimistic about next year though and I am.  ;D

Priorities for the offseason:

Sign Jarvis.
Draft a RB, CB (can never have enough), LB (or 2 or 3) and a couple of offensive lineman.
Get Tannehill back
Get Raekwon back
Get Lippett back
Someone teach DeVante how to catch.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: masterfins on December 18, 2017, 01:24:52 pm
Last year there was good reason to be optimistic at the end of the year. This year, not so much. I can be optimistic about next year though and I am.  ;D

+1

If Miami had gone into Buffalo and walked over them like they did the Patriots and Denver I'd be optimistic for a playoff appearance.  Now not so much.  I do look for them to win the next two games though.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Dolphster on December 18, 2017, 03:22:29 pm
Time to fight hard to lose and get a top 10 draft position.   >:D


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Baba Booey on December 18, 2017, 03:45:58 pm
Time to fight hard to lose and get a top 10 draft position.   >:D

might be too late for Top 10 but can be around 12-14 probably


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: dolphins4life on December 18, 2017, 05:58:39 pm
A Dolphins win and losses by either the Ravens or the Titans keeps Miami alive for another week


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 18, 2017, 08:15:30 pm
A Dolphins win and losses by either the Ravens or the Titans keeps Miami alive for another week

I think you need to root for NE as well. 


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: dolphins4life on December 18, 2017, 10:11:03 pm
I assumed they would win therefore I left it without saying. 


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 24, 2017, 07:40:04 pm
While I'd love to see the Dolphins finish 9-7, I'm not sure I even want them to make the playoffs. I'd fear another poor showing in the playoffs against superior teams away from Miami. I've been there and done that and it doesn't feel good.

Fear not.  The dolphins won't lose a playoff game this year


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: MaineDolFan on December 26, 2017, 01:51:19 pm
My New Year wish -

Someone convince San Fran they are Cleveland...and figure out a way to get Jimmy G here.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 26, 2017, 01:57:16 pm
Alex Smith won his first 9 games when he was traded to KC.  Let's not start measuring Jimmy G for the HOF jacket just yet.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: MaineDolFan on December 27, 2017, 01:43:02 pm
Alex Smith won his first 9 games when he was traded to KC.  Let's not start measuring Jimmy G for the HOF jacket just yet.

I think he's pretty good and would like to see him in Miami.  This actually doesn't have much to do with his wins in San Fran and everything to do with my friends who still cover the Pats and their opinions on the man. 

I'll take him.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Sunstroke on December 27, 2017, 02:07:29 pm
I think he's pretty good and would like to see him in Miami.  This actually doesn't have much to do with his wins in San Fran and everything to do with my friends who still cover the Pats and their opinions on the man. 

I'll take him.

Jimmy Garoppolo will be a 49er for "at least" 5-6 more years... or until we win 3 more titles, whichever comes first. ;-)





Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 27, 2017, 05:37:40 pm
Jimmy Garoppolo will be a 49er for "at least" 5-6 more years... or until we win 3 more titles, whichever comes first. ;-)


He is a free agent at the end of the season.  The 49ers have the right to tag him but that is still only a one year deal.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Sunstroke on December 28, 2017, 08:33:07 am
He is a free agent at the end of the season.  The 49ers have the right to tag him but that is still only a one year deal.

Denial...it isn't just a river in Egypt.



Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on December 28, 2017, 10:18:26 am
He is a free agent at the end of the season.  The 49ers have the right to tag him but that is still only a one year deal.

If anyone can convince Jimmy G to sign a long term deal, it's John Lynch


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: DaLittle B on December 28, 2017, 10:41:33 am
I just think about the moves that got us Kiko Alonzo,Byron Maxwell,trade,and draft L.Tunsil (and I a Tunsil Believer,he can be good).They were good short term moves,that effed us in 2017.

I can see us screwing up the Landry signing (Really lowball offer,tagging him with some other tag other than Franchise to save money,and he walks)
Signing Jesse Davis,and J.James to Extensions,and thinking the line is fixed..IMO Davis, nice stop gap,but not a long term solution,J.James inconsistent,and injury prone? (4 yrs 2 seasons 16 games,2 yrs of playing 7-8 games)

I'm bearish on our front office,Bearish on last years offseason, so I'm pretty Bearish on the future.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 28, 2017, 10:47:42 am
Denial...it isn't just a river in Egypt.



I am not in denial.  It is a fact.  I am not Spider, I have nothing against SF, I would like to see Jimmy do well except once every four years when NE faces the 49rs.  I was rooting for Cassel to do as well.  I still root for Adam V as long as his success doesn't harm NE.  

I do expect the 49rs will sign him long term, to a deal making him one of the highest paid QBs in the league. A deal more appropriate for a league MVP than a guy with a half dozen starts. We will find out next year if game film and an off season of study allows a D.C. to find weaknesses to exploit ala Matt Cassel.  

Being I actually think he is pretty good and would have started on most teams that didn't already have a HoF player in the top spot, I would prefer he stays in the NFCW rather than play in the AFC.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Sunstroke on December 28, 2017, 11:52:11 am
I do expect the 49rs will sign him long term, to a deal making him one of the highest paid QBs in the league. A deal more appropriate for a league MVP than a guy with a half dozen starts. We will find out next year if game film and an off season of study allows a D.C. to find weaknesses to exploit ala Matt Cassel.  

Or, conversely, a full offseason learning on Jimmy's part, and a full offseason for Shanahan to figure out lots of nifty ways to exploit that elite talent.

What Jimmy has done so far, he's done half-blind, with a team full of rookies, arguably one of the worst O-lines in football, and an overflowing IR. You expect him to take a step back next year?

Please send me some of whatever you're smoking...'cause that's gotta be some good shit.





Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 28, 2017, 02:08:22 pm
Look, I think he will be good.  But *if* he fizzles he won't be the first qb to start strong and then fall of.  He will be paid elite money, but he hasn't earned the label of elite.  He might in time and I hope he does, but calling him elite is premature.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 28, 2017, 02:32:30 pm
I think the 49ers should pay him as if he'll be the next Aaron Rodgers.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Sunstroke on December 28, 2017, 03:15:02 pm
I think the 49ers should pay him as if he'll be the next Aaron Rodgers.

I think the 49ers should pay him whatever they need to pay him to lock him up by the Bay for the next 5-7 years.




Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: MaineDolFan on December 29, 2017, 11:27:03 am
He is a free agent at the end of the season.  The 49ers have the right to tag him but that is still only a one year deal.

San Fran can tag him as many times as they want, should they want.  Brutal way to go...but they can.  It's within their rights.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Sunstroke on December 29, 2017, 12:05:07 pm

^^^ They won't do that though. They'll try to get an extension done this offseason, and Lord knows, they have the pocket depth necessary to get it done. If not, then Jimmy Garoppolo, AKA "The greatest football player in the history of humankind or any alienkind that pays football" will get tagged...once.

Happy New Years to all...even those fools who don't recognize Jimmy G's inherent greatness. ;)





Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 29, 2017, 01:28:21 pm
San Fran can tag him as many times as they want, should they want.  Brutal way to go...but they can.  It's within their rights.

yeah but it gets real expensive real fast.

Unless he gets injured this week.....

5 to 7 year deal, total of around $17-20 million a year, with roughly +$50 million in guaranteed money.    His agent would be silly to accept a less than 220% of the current franchise tag in guaranteed money (the cost of tagging him twice) which will make him one of the highest paid players ever.   


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 29, 2017, 02:12:53 pm
Sounds like a good problem to have.  It's not like he's Brock Osweiler


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: fyo on December 29, 2017, 02:41:44 pm
yeah but it gets real expensive real fast.

Unless he gets injured this week.....

5 to 7 year deal, total of around $17-20 million a year, with roughly +$50 million in guaranteed money.    His agent would be silly to accept a less than 220% of the current franchise tag in guaranteed money (the cost of tagging him twice) which will make him one of the highest paid players ever.  

I'm not sure what metric you are looking at. Even your high of 20 million a year would put 15 quarterbacks above Garoppolo in average salary per year over the length of their most recent contract.

In other words, 20 million a year is pretty much exactly the median for starters.

And most of those contracts are at least a few years old. In fact, of those 15 contracts only two are less than a year old. Which ones, you ask? The top two. Carr and Stafford at 25 and 27 million, respectively.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: bsmooth on January 01, 2018, 02:31:11 am
Well it appears we will pick 11th. Couldn't even make the top 10.


Title: Re: Looking ahead now
Post by: Dolphster on January 02, 2018, 01:25:25 pm
Well it appears we will pick 11th. Couldn't even make the top 10.

They even underachieved in losing.