The Dolphins Make Me Cry.com - Forums

Adam Gase

This team had just about everything possible go its way this year.  The Chargers missed a field goal.  Gronk got suspended.

Signing Cutler and not starting Moore was stupid.

Everything go its way? WTF are you talking about??? Did you forget

1) Losing starting QB  3 days into Training camp
2) Hurricane forcing team to leave their home base and fly to California
3) Losing their BYE week
4) Not having their first home game till October
5) Having one less home game cause they had to play in London due to winning a Super Bowl bid
6) Starting LB goes AWOL before first game of the season
7) O-line coach gets caught doing drugs on his desk

Should I continue because there is more. Everything that could go wrong went wrong this year. Miami didn't catch a damn break all season. Not crying about it but let's not say everything went the teams way this year. Get a clue!! And if you think if Miami started Moore from day one they would have won more games you are truly delusional. Moore was a part-time player this year and he missed games to injury, if he started from day 1 he wouldn't have made it out of September probably healthy and it would have been the David Fales show.

You are one delusional fan who has no idea what you are talking about

I nominate Gase too, but for quite different reasons.

As this season went on I got the strong the feeling that he just got lucky in his first year and took advantage of the soft draw (like Sparano). He showed some Philbin-like traits of a coach way out of their depth, seriously poor play calling on the field, and signs that he was losing support of (at least some of) the team (unlike Sparano). There were too many players who either flat out refused to do what they were asked, or who did not understand what they had to do: either way, that's extremely poor coaching. All the penalties the team racked up during the year (second most in the NFL up to week 17) also point to poor discipline and coaching.

Then there was the handling of Ajayi which was nothing short of ridiculous: the team MVP last year, but half a season later he's thrown under a bus because the coach wanted to make a high profile example. Asked about what happened, Ajayi said he was totally blindsided by the move: he knew he had things to work on, but was told the team was there to support him and work through those issues. Then without warning he is traded to the Eagles. Wow, what a disrespctful way to treat the 2016 Dan Marino award winner: that must really have impressed the rest of the team, not to mention any potential recruits...

Next year will be crucial for Gase - if they don't rebound from what happened to this year he is in serious trouble, I can see more players giving up on the team if this form continues and things will spiral rapidly downward from there.

Let's go over the breaks Miami got this season.

1) The Chargers missed an easy field goal that would have won the game in the first game of the season.
2) The Dolphins recovered THREE onside kicks this season.  That is almost unheard of for a season.
3) Gronk got suspended for the second game against the Patriots.  I have always said that if I could pick one player to sit out  against the Patriots, it would be Gronk, not Brady.  Looks like that was a wise comment by me.
4) They got the help they needed from other teams.  If they had defeated the Chiefs, they would still have been in the playoff race on the last week of the season
5) The fluke play against the Titans that decided the game.  Those are the kind of breaks Miami usually doesn't get
6) Oh wait, that fluke play in the first Patriots game, that gave Miami it's first TD
7) Oh wait again, how about Matt Ryan throwing that interception in the Falcons game

For you to say Miami did not catch break all season is quite preposterous.

To say I am delusional is also preposterous.

Because this comes up often:

During 2008, in the games determined by the Dolphins' 4th place finish in the previous season (vs. BAL, @HOU) MIA went 0-2.
During 2016, in the games determined by the Dolphins' 4th place finish in the previous season (vs. TEN, @SD) MIA went 1-1.

The advantage of a "soft schedule" based on place-of-finish is highly overblown.

You can make an argument for the inter- and intra-conference division pairings, but those are wild year-to-year swings.  At the beginning of this season, everyone thought the AFCW was going to be incredibly tough and the NFCS was going to be a bunch of bums.  The opposite occurred.

Recovering onside kicks and missed field goals are catching a break? THAT'S FOOTBALL!! By that logic every team caught a break as every team had missed field goals against them.

Fluke play in the Titans game? WHAT FLUKE PLAY? Miami won the game straight up there was nothing crazy in that game.

Miami lost the 1st Patriots game how could a "fluke" play "give them a break" that helped them?

Matt Ryan interception....Miami's defense made a play that isn't a "break".

So whenever Miami does something good we got lucky and its a break??? That is moronic. And YES you are delusional.

Tannihill.  Due is one of the highest paid players on the team and the bum didn't take a single snap all season.   He is a bum.😁

Moore is a career backup for a reason. You are a delusional fan.

I'll give it to Gase as well, even though I have no dog in this fight.  You had way too many players behaving unprofessionally both on and off the field.  Lawrence Timmons, Rey Maualuga, Jarvis Landry and Kenyan Drake are my best examples.

This article in The Miami Herald explains it all

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article192469594.html#0

Parker.  He was supposed to be in the same conversation as A.J. Green, Antonio Bryant and Julio Jones this year.  Instead, he played like a giant pussy all year and couldn't stay healthy yet again.

HM to D4L for not understanding the dynamics of football for the entire year...I know we're not supposed to put other users on blast, but it's my new direction.  What do you guys think of my new direction?

Thanks for one final belly laugh to send me off into the post season.  You ended on a high note.  Thanks for all the entertainment this year.  With my hopes for the Fins next year being really low, your continued unintentional hilarity gives me something to look forward to next season. 

His posts are like Sharknado...absolutely terrible, but you can't help but enjoy them.

Adam Gase, for the sole reason that I'm sure he was behind the $10M waste of salary cap money paid to Cutler.  Cutler was Cutler, great sometimes, god awful other times.

Dishonorable mention to Tannehill, who should have had surgery a year ago.

Let's suppose you keep Moore instead of Cutler.  How do you spend that $10M instead?  Is the team any better with Ross saving $10M + Moore?

I give my SOTY to Jay Ajayi.  He was doing terrible when he was in MIA this season, and his uncoachability led to him being traded for peanuts.  Drake clearly did better than Ajayi after taking over for him.

If Tannehill had surgery a year ago, he wouldn't have played this year as its a 10-12 month recovery. Him not having surgery really didn't matter.

And the $10 mill meant nothing. It was on the cap and now its off. It really did mean nothing in the end. Not like they signed Cutler for 3 years it was a one year deal

I also think it's pretty unfair to give Gase sole (or even primary) credit/blame for roster moves.  He doesn't have some puppet figurehead GM like the Seahawks, and while he does have the ability to determine who won't be on the 53-man roster, he can't actually shop for the groceries himself.

I assign Gase more responsibility for the Ajayi decision than I do for the Cutler decision.

They could have carried that cap space money over to 2018, or at least most of it by signing a much cheaper backup QB; so how can you possibly say it meant nothing??  That space could have been used to get Landry's deal done.

Learn how to read a calendar.  He injured it week #14 last year, so if the recovery was on the low side (10 months) that means he could have been available around week #6 of this past season.  Now the Dolphins will be lucky if he is ready by the start of training camp.  So yeah it really does matter.

I didn't say Gase had sole control of roster moves, but if you don't think Gase was pushing for Cutler, a guy he coached at both Denver and Chicago, I think your living in a dream world.

1) It was reported last week Tannehill will be ready for June mini-camp so the training camp isn't an issue (read a newspaper)
2) You saying he would have been ready by around Week 6 is a pure guess and Miami would have probably IR'd him for the year and not brought him back mid-season and added a QB in the offseason. And what if it took the full 12 months then he wouldn't have been ready till late November/early December this year. Your 10 months is wishful thinking not reality.

It was a 1 year deal, the $10 mill is opened up now and Miami has that $10 mill for cap space in 2018 that they used on Cutler. The same money is there now to sign Landry now. You are just bitching for the sake of bitching at this point without any facts

You probably shouldn't be telling people to "learn how read a calendar" at the same time you are using wild best-case scenarios for your argument and worst-case scenarios for opposing arguments.

The 2017 training camp started on Thursday, July 27 (https://www.thephinsider.com/2017/6/29/15895506/miami-dolphins-training-camp-schedule-2017).  Tannehill injured his knee one week later to the day: Thursday, August 3 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000825007/article/ryan-tannehill-leaves-practice-with-left-knee-injury).  It took him about a week to decide to go through with the surgery, and the operation took place on August 17 (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article167713067.html), two weeks after his re-injury.  So if "10-12 months" is the recovery time, the Dolphins don't need to be "lucky" for him to make it back before training camp, which starts 11 months after his surgery.  They just need not to be unlucky.

Meanwhile, for your side of the argument, you presume that Tannehill has his surgery the same day of the injury (not two weeks later), add the minimum 10 months from that day, and say he's back in... week 6 of 2017?!  If you can have Tannehill go from street clothes one week to playing a mid-year regular season game the following Sunday, why are you complaining about him potentially missing time in 2018 training camp?  By your logic, he can cold start a midseason game without an issue.

Gase can "push for" whatever he likes.  There are at least two other people who had to sign off on that acquisition, and they did.

I really thought Parker had a great finish to the season. He seemed to be much more focused on the field for the past 4 games, dropping way fewer passes, making an effort, running crisper routes. Mind you, he's had a couple of good stretches before, so that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

I have no issue with the Cutler signing. With his past experience with Gase it was at least worth a try. With Moore we knew what we had and knew it wasn't good enough. We tried something different and it didn't work.

We've seen Tannehill and the offense click if we have some sort of a running game and the line gives him some kind of time.  I don't think all of a sudden Gase is a bad coach but I do think we have issues with the people who select our talent. For that alone I will continue to place blame on Mike Tannenbaum. He has yet to fix our biggest weakness we've had from even before he came here ... the offensive line.

Since this statement obviously originated from your backside, I'm calling tails...

I think you are all just trolling with me. 

Except for the Tannehill injury, the things Baba Booey posted don't actually affect the outcome of games.

So, they lost their bye week.  BOO HOO, let's start a telethon.

^^^ So, an entire team missing it's bye week is no big deal to you, but another team missing a field goal is an epic occurrence.

You have a uniquely entertaining way of thinking, lifer...I'll give ya that.

This talk of starting Moore is lunacy.  It's a conversation ender.

Having your opponents miss a field goal against you three weeks in a row is an epic occurrence. 

As for the Cutler signing, I think we have to keep in mind what the expectations were for the team at that point in time.  It was before the season had begun and coming off a decent 2016, the expectations were that the Fins had a solid roster, improved their defense (on paper), and had play makers on offense at the skill positions.  When Tanny went down, the team probably thought "here we have a playoff team without a QB".  Therefore, they signed a guy who had some proven success (albeit it limited) in the NFL who was familiar with Gase and the system.  At the time it seemed like a logical signing.  Now here at the end of the season when the team was pretty much a disaster in all phases, it is easy to say it was a bad move.  But at the time of the signing, with expectations for the season being what they were, it seemed like a good idea.  Hindsight is easy because we know all of the things now that were unknown at the time of the decision. 

Having your best LB go AWOL and not show up for a game doesn't affect the outcome of a game? Having a full season with no bye week and no week to rest players when every other team (minus TB) has a week off to rest and re-charge the batteries so to speak doesn't affect the outcome of Dolphins games? Having to travel from Miami (forced out due to Hurricane)-LA-NY-Miami (Just to pack for a couple days)-London to open the year and no TRUE home game until October doesn't affect a team? Losing your starting QB 1 week into training camp doesn't affect the outcome of games?

This is why I say you are delusional and everyone on this site laughs at your posts and treats them as a joke and not seriously. You have no idea what you are talking about if you think those above reasons don't affect how a team plays and if they win. The losing your starting QB alone is reason enough to affect the outcome of every game last year, throw on top everything else and Miami caught zero breaks last year.

The stats don't agree. Cutler was better than Moore in just about every statistical category.

NAME        ATT COMP  PCT   YDS AVG YDS/G LONG TD TD% INT INT% SACK YDSL RATE
Jay Cutler  429   266   62.0 2666  6.2  179.4     65  19  4.4   14   3.3       20  154    80.8
Matt Moore 127    78   61.4   861  6.8  191.5     61    4  3.2     5  3.9        12   95    75.6

I'd love to give it to Stephan Ross,for our current franchise power structure* (Ross the fan boy like's Mike Tannenbaum,and Adam Gase is his boy,and I don't feel this ending well for our franchise...Remember he like Tony Sparano,and Joe Philbin) I can't put that on him for the shame of the year...

I'm taking Mike Tannenbaum as my shame,IMO,I think we screwed ourselves in the offseason.

*I believe Tannebaum is more of a run the ball/play good defense field position guy,excelled better with a Defensive minded head coach and Ross really wanted Adam Gase.

A couple quick thoughts,that I wanted to make a quick comment on...

I totally agree with this,and I'd add this...

Jay Ajayi,and Devante Parker were drafted the year before 2015,Gase was hired January 2016,as a coach they aren't his guy's. IMO Drake fits more of what Gase seems to want in his running back,run/pass threat. Ie Matt Forte type.