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Title: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on January 11, 2018, 10:19:33 am
So ... it's contract time again. There are a lot of opinions on Jarvis Landry including the number of catches, his lack of YPC, and his 15 yard personal fouls.  With that said he is up for contract so I'm curious where people stand.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: DaLittle B on January 11, 2018, 11:02:39 am
I feel this is one where the front office of Tannenbaum,and Gase the coach clash.

For me, I'm in between over pay him/and franchise him.(I don't exactly know what he wanted 1 year ago,versus what he wants now) Regardless of our QB,o-line,he's been productive catches,yards,etc.He's not a guy, well We "believe" he can be great for the next 3-4 years,or coming off injury prone seasons,etc. IMO he's one of the very few players on the team,and been on the team in recent history,we need to lock up long term.I'm not talking 20 million a season overpay.

Modified to add...If the Dolphins feel he's just a slot receiver,and they can somewhat easily replace his production...hmmm...Let's see where have I heard that before? How is the organizations track record of replacing O-lineman,or Te's?


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 11, 2018, 12:28:07 pm
Franchise tag him if he doesn't accept a fair offer.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Dave Gray on January 11, 2018, 01:21:57 pm
I don't particularly love high-profile receivers.  I think that they don't touch the ball enough or affect the game as much as some other positions, so I wouldn't want to put big money on it.  Also, Landry seems to give us problems.  I want him on the team, but not at any cost.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2018, 02:30:21 pm
I voted franchise him, but I think he will accept a fair offer. Now that's not to say that there won't be some discussions, but I think Landry wants to be a Dolphin and I think the Dolphins want Landry to be a Dolphin enough to get a long term contract done.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on January 11, 2018, 04:08:22 pm
Big O has been saying for weeks that he shouldn't be paid like like a number one receiver mostly for two reasons. One ... he doesn't produce like an Antonio Bryant and two ... he isn't as much of a difference maker as people act like. We were winning 6-9 games a season before him and now with him. He is a very solid player but not worth mortgaging the future to keep.

I bring this up because Landry tweeted to him "Who you?" as if to say who are you to question my money. Seems a little immature which is is one of things people dislike about him.

I have to admit ... I've changed my mind. I originally felt they owed him but with time to think after the season I now feel they need to keep him but only if he is reasonable. They can't make him one of the highest paid receivers in the league.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on January 11, 2018, 06:26:58 pm
I voted franchise if he won't accept market value. It gives a year to examine other options if things go sour.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Pappy13 on January 11, 2018, 07:10:08 pm
One.. he doesn't produce like an Antonio Bryant
That's an unfair assessment. No one in the league produces like Antonio Brown and the Dolphins are NOT the Steelers.

and two ... he isn't as much of a difference maker as people act like.
Which people? Isn't he the most productive WR on the Dolphins? Shouldn't he get paid like it?


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: fyo on January 12, 2018, 05:28:54 am
That's an unfair assessment. No one in the league produces like Antonio Brown and the Dolphins are NOT the Steelers.
Which people? Isn't he the most productive WR on the Dolphins? Shouldn't he get paid like it?

If all you have is shit players, should you be paying them top dollar, just because they are the best of the shit players on your team?

Now, I like Landry. I think he's undervalued by a lot of metrics and I like the energy he brings on gameday. His temper is an issue, sure, but it doesn't bother me as much as it perhaps should.

Regarding those metrics that may or may not undervalue him.... receiver performance cannot be separated from the quarterback (and offensive line). So when Landry is rated as the 46th most productive receiver by Football Outsiders DYAR metric, that's certainly part of the reason. Per-pass he's ranked even worse, at #59. However, and I cannot stress this enough, Cuttler was bad (and Moore wasn't any better). Sure, the offensive line played a big part, but that's beside the point in this discussion. Landry's advanced metrics last year were a lot better and are likely a better indicator of his performance. They still weren't great, though, with a ranking as 26th in production and 43rd per-pass. A lot of that is because the Dolphins consistently put themselves in third and long, where anything but a first down will result in bad advanced metrics, but as long as the receiver runs his route well and catches the damned ball, that's more on the play call than him. Landry also gets dinged for his "garbage time" production (not worth as much in advanced metrics as same production at other times) and while yards might be somewhat easier to come by late down multiple scores, it isn't exactly Landry's fault the Dolphins have spent a lot of time in that situation.

Let's look at Pro Football Focus, instead. They look at each play individually and, hopefully, objectively. Their grade for him this season is "Above Average", which --
 while not great -- is a lot better than most of the Dolphins.

While I do think these metrics undervalue Landry, they still don't paint a picture of a guy who should be paid top dollar. So, let's flip it around and try to find arguments FOR paying him a boatload of money.

The most positive stat is clearly that he leads the league in receptions. He also catches around 70% of balls thrown his way, which is elite, although certainly something one should expect from a top slot receiver. (The only 2 receivers with significantly higher catch rates this season? Tedd Ginn and Golden Tate.)

First in receptions, but only 17th in terms of total yardage. Plus the 3 or 4 fumbles (varies from site to site). This feels like evaluating Tannehill. Absolutely elite in some numbers, but very pedestrian in others.

Final point for the "pay him" argument: PFF did rate him as the best slot receiver last season and he had (last season) tons of more yardage from the slot than anyone else, leading the league in both yards and receptions from the slot.

So what's he worth? What are the comparables?

TY Hilton signed a 5-year $65 million contract with a $10 million signing bonus in 2015 with half of that guaranteed (only a third fully guaranteed) yielding a payout of $13 mil a year. Hilton compares will with Landry, but sees a lot more work away from the slot, which at least partly explains his higher (much higher this season) yards per catch. Out of the slot last season, Landry saw more yards per reception.

Julian Edelman is quite a bit older, but still very productive in New England and considered one of the top slot receivers. He signed a 3-year extension before the 2017 season worth just over $5 mil a year. Staying in New England and being over 30 keeps that number down. Although injuries can happen to anyone, recovery takes longer with older players (and risk is somewhat higher as well). Edelman, of course, hasn't seen the field this season after tearing his ACL two months after signing the contract.

Another top slot receiver with really bad advanced metrics is Jameson Crowder (Redskins). Crowder is still on his rookie contract, though.

One of the most consistent slot receivers in the NFL is Cole Beasley. Or was until this season. He never saw nearly as many targets, but scored in the elite range on nearly every metric. At less than $4 million a year on a 2015 contract, Beasley was a steal for the Cowboys.

One high-production slot receiver and maybe one of the best comps is Doug Baldwin, who signed a 4 year $46 million extension in 2016, yielding a payout of $11.5 million a year. His production in terms of traditional statistics is very close to Landry's, but his advanced metrics have been consistently better. I would argue that, overall, this is still probably the closest comp to Landry.

Just for reference, the top 3 wide receivers in the league in terms of pay are: Antonio Brown, DeAndre Hopkins, and AJ Green (in that order) with salaries in the $15 to $17 million a year range.

Sum total, I would estimate a fair market value for Landry at between $12 to $14 million a year. That would place him just outside the top 5 at the high end and still inside the top 10 at the low end. At the high end, it would make him the best paid slot receiver in the league.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: DaLittle B on January 12, 2018, 10:52:25 am
A couple of things to add (not ranting  :-[ )
A side note though...
1.) Landry hasn't tried to hold out,he's been at every offseason workout,not gone in the media,don't tag me or I'll be a problem child etc...
2.) Belichick mentions,can't let this be a Landry game...Makes me think back to when the Patriots got Welker...(I'm not saying it will happen again)

NFL.com has him listed as the number 10,on the top 25 Free agents list....(2nd WR in the top 10)
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000905368/article/top-25-free-agents-of-2018-quarterbacks-top-the-board-for-now (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000905368/article/top-25-free-agents-of-2018-quarterbacks-top-the-board-for-now)

I asked Albert Breer of SI-Monday morning QB,he was asking for questions for his podacst,and he answered my tweet...
https://art19.com/shows/the-mmqb-podcast-with-albert-breer (https://art19.com/shows/the-mmqb-podcast-with-albert-breer) (also on Itunes)

It was near the end,(I thought the London discussion was interesting),He said No, He didn't think the Dolphins would resign him...He brought up the money issue paying Stills last season,with having to pay Parker in the future. SMH,Makes me want to puke paying a big contract to Parker.

Mentions,Jets,Browns,and Colts at teams that may want him.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on January 12, 2018, 03:51:16 pm
A couple of things to add (not ranting  :-[ )
A side note though...
1.) Landry hasn't tried to hold out,he's been at every offseason workout,not gone in the media,don't tag me or I'll be a problem child etc...
2.) Belichick mentions,can't let this be a Landry game...Makes me think back to when the Patriots got Welker...(I'm not saying it will happen again)

NFL.com has him listed as the number 10,on the top 25 Free agents list....(2nd WR in the top 10)
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000905368/article/top-25-free-agents-of-2018-quarterbacks-top-the-board-for-now (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000905368/article/top-25-free-agents-of-2018-quarterbacks-top-the-board-for-now)

I asked Albert Breer of SI-Monday morning QB,he was asking for questions for his podacst,and he answered my tweet...
https://art19.com/shows/the-mmqb-podcast-with-albert-breer (https://art19.com/shows/the-mmqb-podcast-with-albert-breer) (also on Itunes)

It was near the end,(I thought the London discussion was interesting),He said No, He didn't think the Dolphins would resign him...He brought up the money issue paying Stills last season,with having to pay Parker in the future. SMH,Makes me want to puke paying a big contract to Parker.

Mentions,Jets,Browns,and Colts at teams that may want him.
I can honestly say I'd rather overpay for Landry than Parker. At least Landry is tops in his position. Parker puts up average numbers and spends half the time on the field. If Parker was what Miami needs him to be then I would pay him first. Unfortunately he can't get open or stay healthy. Landry has no issue with either.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: fyo on January 13, 2018, 04:48:21 am
Parker has only ever demonstrated the ability to string two or three good games together. I'd want to see a lot more from him before signing him to a new contract. Landry has been better than Parker in every way.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Alwaysdullfan on January 14, 2018, 01:34:48 am
Jarvis Landry led the league in receptions with 112. I kno he didn't have a lot of yards but that's bcuz of the plays being called, and the type of passes thrown at him. Therefore I'm not worried about that. Maybe it had something to do with protecting the QB and getting rid of the ball quickly also. Eitherway he def. deserves a nice long contract that works both for him and the Dolphins. Maybe 5yrs/60mil. averages to 12mil/yr, and with incentives. For ex. he gets 100+ rec again, that's an extra bonus. Over 1000rec. yards = another bonus and of course staying healthy and playing in at least 15 games....I think that's fair.  And he cant get traded cuz hes a UFA right?
Anyway, Miami finally found a good player in the draft, its one of their own guys, it only makes sense to pay the man. Hes the best and most consistent player on the offense the last 3 years or even since rookie season.
Hopefully he wont ask for crazy money cuz hes got the leverage now. Miami should have signed him last offseason or something. I kind worries me that ur best player isn't signed yet, I hope its only bcuz he didn't wanna be a distraction. But I would trade Parker or Stills sooner or later cuz they cant pay all 3 of them, esp if they get a good TE also.
Parker is too inconsistent and is injured a lot, maybe they should trade him if they get a good offer. They can always draft a big WR or get a good TE in that case. And u still got speedy WRs, explosive RBs and big redzone targets with the TEs


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Alwaysdullfan on January 15, 2018, 03:18:18 am

He is a heck of a player. Best and most consistent weapon on offense since Ricky Williams. Of course I would like for him to stay.....but. What if someone is willing to trade for him for a 1st rd. pick. I guess its too late tho for that and I dunno if u can trade under Franchise Tag. But lets say they sign him for few years and then trade him. Just like the Saints did with B.Cooks. They r similar type players, and if Miami could get a 1st rd. pick for him I think I'd do it.
     As much as it hurts saying that but they wont be able to sign all 3; Stills, Landry, Parker anyway. But that would make sense last year, now I don't think they have too many options and they gotta resign him. Which sux cuz he's got all the leverage now. He knows Miami is not just gonna let him walk. So in that case what if we trade Parker for 2 or 3rd pick this year. Trade him while u can cuz wat if he keeps on being injured etc then we don't get crap. Since he's always banged up, Id trade him despite his HIGH potential. They have enough WRs to still be OK and add a TE thru the draft.
     I would still draft LB first. Top ranked LB or top 2. Then in 2nd rd. get OL, prolly Guard. 3rd round. get QB, and in 4th round get TE and mayve another OL, or DB. Def. not waste any picks on WRs or even RBs. Id resign Damien Williams.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: DaLittle B on January 15, 2018, 10:26:08 am
I'm slightly surprised at the numbers of the franchise tag votes,the last I read,I thought the WR Franchise tag was going to be about 16 million. :o

I can easily seeing the team using the transition tag on Landry (to save money),then when we fail to match the offer,we get nothing.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on January 15, 2018, 11:21:35 am
I'm slightly surprised at the numbers of the franchise tag votes,the last I read,I thought the WR Franchise tag was going to be about 16 million. :o

I can easily seeing the team using the transition tag on Landry (to save money),then when we fail to match the offer,we get nothing.
Rumors have been that he's going to want 16 million because he thinks himself a number one receiver even though he doesn't put up those kind of numbers. I think Miami will want to pay him about 12 million which will put his at the top for slot receivers. If he gets franchised it will fit right in his wheelhouse with what he wants.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: masterfins on January 15, 2018, 03:12:19 pm
With slot receivers like Landry it's not about how many yards per catch, it's more about do they make the tough catches to convert 3rd downs and keep drives going.  If the Dolphins had a young tough TE to convert on 3rd down plays Landry would be more expendable, but they don't.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: pondwater on January 15, 2018, 05:15:03 pm
With slot receivers like Landry it's not about how many yards per catch, it's more about do they make the tough catches to convert 3rd downs and keep drives going.  If the Dolphins had a young tough TE to convert on 3rd down plays Landry would be more expendable, but they don't.
Yeah, get gets first downs alright. He won't let anyone forget with his stupid little first down "finger point" every time he gets a 3 yard first down completion. In my opinion, he thinks that he's better than he actually is.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Dolphster on January 16, 2018, 11:23:20 am
I like Landry and I think he is an excellent asset to the team.  However, overpaying guys to keep them from going elsewhere almost always turns out badly and negatively impacts other positions because of the salary cap implications of overpaying someone.  I'd love to see him stay, but only if he is going to be reasonable with his contract expectations. 


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Sunstroke on January 16, 2018, 01:12:35 pm

There are a number of positions that I don't have any problem watching my team overpay a little bit for. QB, DE, a shutdown corner, a stud LB, a ballhawking safety, sure...but WR is definitely not one of those positions.




Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Dolphster on January 16, 2018, 04:17:16 pm
There are a number of positions that I don't have any problem watching my team overpay a little bit for. QB, DE, a shutdown corner, a stud LB, a ballhawking safety, sure...but WR is definitely not one of those positions.




I will go along with that.  As you said, WR is definitely not one of those positions.  Ask the Cowboys how they feel about signing Dez Bryant to a $70M, 5-year contract is 2015. 


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Pappy13 on January 16, 2018, 06:04:24 pm
Here's the best I've seen yet...

https://twitter.com/MattyInfante/status/947835836913070080

"Only two wide receivers caught more TD passes than Jarvis Landry. Only six wide receivers picked up more first downs than Jarvis Landry. Pay the man, "


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on January 17, 2018, 03:36:19 pm
Apparently Landry wants over 14 million a year and the Dolphins don't want to pay that. Landry has made some catches but he apparently has some issues with the coaches and the Dolphins are taking that to the table. He is known to not pay attention in meetings, run the wrong routes, disrespect coaches and as he even admitted, not studying the weekly playbook.  Oh yes ... and he also creates 15 yard penalties for no reason.

Also hearing the Dolphins will NOT be franchising him. they don't want to pay 14 million a year and they definitely won't be paying over 16 million for the year.

Edited to add this from Armando Salguero  ...
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article194920564.html

.... But the Dolphins have a different opinion. Their view of Landry is your view. They see his passion. And his production. And his toughness. They see all that. And that has value to them.

They also see things you have no clue about. They see that back story I previously mentioned.
They see a player who doesn’t pay attention to details. They see a player who sometimes runs the right routes and sometimes doesn’t. They see a player who sometimes inspires with his emotions, but sometimes loses control and hurts his team. They see a player who doesn’t lead in the locker room although he’s in a great position to do so.

They see a player who doesn’t seem to respect his coaches because he often ignores what they ask. They see a player who has been, in the words of multiple sources, “a pain” to deal with and “hard to reach.”

So the Dolphins probably would like to keep Landry but because of that back story, they want it mostly on their terms. Because there’s no way to predict how a player who didn’t do what the team wanted all the time when he was trying to get a new contract will comport himself once he’s already paid.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 17, 2018, 04:46:33 pm
He is a possession receiver with a bad attitude.  Even the most homeristic Dolphins fan is not going to claim he is worth 3x J. Edelman.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: masterfins on January 17, 2018, 07:32:39 pm
He's not worth $14M, if that is his true asking price.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 17, 2018, 08:05:42 pm
T.Y. Hilton signed a contract worth $13M/yr in 2015.  As a percentage of the cap, that would be equivalent to $16M/yr in 2018.  So how much worse than Hilton do you believe Landry is, if you think he's not worth even $14M/yr?

Let me put it this way: which non-rookie-contract receivers do you believe Landry is comparable to?  As a point of comparison, here are the last 5 receivers before Landry to lead the league in receptions:

2017- Landry
2016- L.Fitzgerald (signed for $113M/7yrs in 2011, equivalent to $23.9M/yr in 2018)
2015- J.Jones (signed for $71.25M/5yrs in 2015, equivalent to $17.7M/yr in 2018) & A.Brown (see below)
2014- A.Brown (signed for $68M/4yrs in 2017, equivalent to $18M/yr in 2018)
2013- P.Garcon (signed for $42.5M/5yrs in 2012, equivalent to $12.54M/yr in 2018)
2012- C.Johnson (signed for $113.5/7 in 2012, equivalent to $23.9M/yr in 2018)

So is Landry worth $20M/yr like legendary franchise receivers Megatron or Fitzgerald?  No.  Is he worth best-receiver-in-the-league money like AB or JJ?  No.  But is he worth as much as T.Y. Hilton or Dez Bryant?  I think that's a fair argument.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Pappy13 on January 17, 2018, 11:33:38 pm
14 Million a year is pretty reasonable. At the very least the Dolphins need to make him a counter offer in the 13 million a year range and meet in the middle. That's very reasonable for Landry.

All this talk about he doesn't run the proper routes and whatnot is just a negotiation strategy. They HAVE to find something to ding him on. But they don't like his note taking and the way he keeps his locker clean? Are you kidding me? If that's all they got, they got nothing. They'll end up paying him because if they don't somebody else will. Of course he's not worth 14 Million a year, but that's the going rate for a WR of his caliber these days so you pay it.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on January 17, 2018, 11:49:52 pm
T.Y. Hilton signed a contract worth $13M/yr in 2015.  As a percentage of the cap, that would be equivalent to $16M/yr in 2018.  So how much worse than Hilton do you believe Landry is, if you think he's not worth even $14M/yr?

Let me put it this way: which non-rookie-contract receivers do you believe Landry is comparable to?  As a point of comparison, here are the last 5 receivers before Landry to lead the league in receptions:

2017- Landry
2016- L.Fitzgerald (signed for $113M/7yrs in 2011, equivalent to $23.9M/yr in 2018)
2015- J.Jones (signed for $71.25M/5yrs in 2015, equivalent to $17.7M/yr in 2018) & A.Brown (see below)
2014- A.Brown (signed for $68M/4yrs in 2017, equivalent to $18M/yr in 2018)
2013- P.Garcon (signed for $42.5M/5yrs in 2012, equivalent to $12.54M/yr in 2018)
2012- C.Johnson (signed for $113.5/7 in 2012, equivalent to $23.9M/yr in 2018)

So is Landry worth $20M/yr like legendary franchise receivers Megatron or Fitzgerald?  No.  Is he worth best-receiver-in-the-league money like AB or JJ?  No.  But is he worth as much as T.Y. Hilton or Dez Bryant?  I think that's a fair argument.

Megatron, Fitzgerald and Antonio Brown (if you factor in his kick returns) have dominated games. Jones, Bryant, Garcon (in his day) have all been game changers.

Admittedly I see nowhere near the number of Dolphins games I would like to (and the number of games you guys have) but for all of his catches, for the life of me I cannot remember a game where Landry has had the same impact as the above guys. Not getting into the end zone enough would be a key reason for that, it's an area the Dolphins have struggled with for years.

Under the circumstances there's no way I would offer him a long term contract on top money, especially if because of his attitude there's a decent chance he could be traded or cut anyway (and after what happened with Ajayi this year and other guys previously, you all know there's a pretty good chance that will happen). We simply cannot afford to be in a situation where we have more players on dead cap money, it's a hole we have dug for ourselves the last few years and it just cannot continue. If he agrees to a reasonable contract great, if not we franchise him for one year, or let him walk and be done with it.

Out of interest if Landry does walk, how would you think he would do at somewhere like the Patriots? On paper he should thrive with Brady throwing a few hundred accurate passes his way, but there's no way BB or Brady would put up with the crap associated with him either.  


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: DaLittle B on January 18, 2018, 09:23:33 am
I read that gas lighting article,and was sick all day at our font office stupidity.They just keep adding more stupid excuses,we paid Stills (mistake IMO),we're worried Devante "Pansy" Parker.

Face it he's good as gone.....next year it allows them to blame it on Tannehill,or this position coach...

**Sarcasm Warning*** I think the front office seems clueless they're not used to trying to negotiate with a player not coming off 1-2 injury prone seasons,under performing,searching for a diamond in the rough type player......***End sarcasm***


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Tenshot13 on January 18, 2018, 11:36:00 am
If Miami can find a tight end that can catch the ball, that can eliminate the need for Landry.  I personally don't think the team will be much worse without him, but I would rather keep him.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: DaLittle B on January 18, 2018, 12:04:37 pm
We have to do that regardless if we sign Landry or not...We haven't exactly had a lot of success at finding a TE since we screwed up the tagging of C.Clay.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: masterfins on January 19, 2018, 12:50:38 am
T.Y. Hilton signed a contract worth $13M/yr in 2015.  As a percentage of the cap, that would be equivalent to $16M/yr in 2018.  So how much worse than Hilton do you believe Landry is, if you think he's not worth even $14M/yr?

Let me put it this way: which non-rookie-contract receivers do you believe Landry is comparable to?  As a point of comparison, here are the last 5 receivers before Landry to lead the league in receptions:

2017- Landry
2016- L.Fitzgerald (signed for $113M/7yrs in 2011, equivalent to $23.9M/yr in 2018)
2015- J.Jones (signed for $71.25M/5yrs in 2015, equivalent to $17.7M/yr in 2018) & A.Brown (see below)
2014- A.Brown (signed for $68M/4yrs in 2017, equivalent to $18M/yr in 2018)
2013- P.Garcon (signed for $42.5M/5yrs in 2012, equivalent to $12.54M/yr in 2018)
2012- C.Johnson (signed for $113.5/7 in 2012, equivalent to $23.9M/yr in 2018)

So is Landry worth $20M/yr like legendary franchise receivers Megatron or Fitzgerald?  No.  Is he worth best-receiver-in-the-league money like AB or JJ?  No.  But is he worth as much as T.Y. Hilton or Dez Bryant?  I think that's a fair argument.

This is really a post that is way out there.  First, by bringing up the 5 prior "reception leaders' you are in effect trying to equate Landry with other teams' #1 receivers (rock star receivers at that), which we all know Landry is not the #1 receiver on the Dolphins.  Secondly, your extrapolations for Fitzgerald & Johnson are disingenuous because Fitzgerald's contract was redone & Johnson's would have been also if he didn't retire.  Fitzgerald has actually been making $11M per year the last couple years.  Finally, just because the Colts & Dallas have overpaid, doesn't mean the Dolphins have to.

Looking at average annual WR salaries, if Landry was paid $12M he would be the 10th highest paid; if $10M he would be tied for 17th.  Pretty good money for a guy not considered a team's #1 receiver.  The only reason I see to pay him more than $10M per year is that he's been underpaid a couple million per year due to were he was drafted.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 19, 2018, 03:03:51 am
This is really a post that is way out there.  First, by bringing up the 5 prior "reception leaders' you are in effect trying to equate Landry with other teams' #1 receivers (rock star receivers at that), which we all know Landry is not the #1 receiver on the Dolphins.
Who do you believe the number one receiver on MIA is?  Because according to your logic, if you believe 1) Landry is not the number one receiver on the team and 2) Landry deserves $10-12M, the logical conclusion is that either Devante Parker or Kenny Stills deserves >$12M/year.

???

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Secondly, your extrapolations for Fitzgerald & Johnson are disingenuous because Fitzgerald's contract was redone & Johnson's would have been also if he didn't retire.
I think it's quite fair to use the contract number that Fitz originally signed for, given that the original contract ran through the 2018 season and that Fitz was 32 years old when he renegotiated it.  Landry will be 26 next season, yet you appear to believe his long-term contract should be for the same amount per year as the extension that 35-year-old Larry Fitzgerald just signed.

It's useless to try to argue that Megatron's contract would have been "redone" as you have no idea what number it would have wound up at.

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Fitzgerald has actually been making $11M per year the last couple years.  Finally, just because the Colts & Dallas have overpaid, doesn't mean the Dolphins have to.
Actually, other teams overpaying a position (and, more specifically, being willing to overpay) means that the market value of a player at that position is inflated, and that teams have to pay more than they personally believe a player is worth to keep them.  That's how the market works.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: DaLittle B on February 20, 2018, 08:01:06 pm
Local Beat writers are saying the Dolphins are going to use the Non exclusive Franchise tag on Landry.

~@schadjoe: BREAKING NEWS: The Miami Dolphins are likely to use the franchise tag on Jarvis Landry, per league source
http://www.twitter.com/schadjoe/status/966114572829646849 (http://www.twitter.com/schadjoe/status/966114572829646849)

~@AdamHBeasley: Per league source the Dolphins likely to use non-exclusive franchise tag on Jarvis Landry
http://www.twitter.com/AdamHBeasley/status/966115085566521345 (http://www.twitter.com/AdamHBeasley/status/966115085566521345)

~@gunnerhal: Landry is looking at $16 million for next season. This would give Dolphins two No. 1 picks if he were to sign elsewhere.
http://www.twitter.com/gunnerhal/status/966115303552901121 (http://www.twitter.com/gunnerhal/status/966115303552901121)

3  more...It's pretty much done...
~@AlbertBreer: Per source, the Dolphins have filed the paperwork to place the non-exclusive franchise tag on WR Jarvis Landry. So that one's officially done.
http://www.twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/966116945446699008 (http://www.twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/966116945446699008)

~@AlbertBreer: Tag numbers aren't official until the cap is set. But if the cap is $178 million, as NFL projected in December, Jarvis Landry's tag would be $16.05 million.
http://www.twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/966117382627450880 (http://www.twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/966117382627450880)

~@gunnerhal: Reason Dolphins would get two No. 1s is it's a non-exclusive franchise tag. Had to do something to protect themselves. Letting Landry walk for nothing would have been disastrous. Big hole at WR, no pick to compensate. Can't let that happen. Signing multiyear deal still the hope.
http://www.twitter.com/gunnerhal/status/966117582506926081 (http://www.twitter.com/gunnerhal/status/966117582506926081)

So, there you go...


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Dolphster on February 21, 2018, 10:55:44 am
I readily admit that I don't understand the intricacies of the franchise tag enough to make an absolute thumbs up or thumbs down opinion on this, but $16M seems like a lot of money for a slot receiver when the team isn't in the greatest salary cap position (as of today anyway) to begin with.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on February 21, 2018, 12:42:53 pm
I readily admit that I don't understand the intricacies of the franchise tag enough to make an absolute thumbs up or thumbs down opinion on this, but $16M seems like a lot of money for a slot receiver when the team isn't in the greatest salary cap position (as of today anyway) to begin with.

Non exclusive meaning they're probably hoping someone bites and signs him to a deal, then negotiates the number of picks as compensation.  They drafted him in the second round.  If they can get at least one first rounder out of it, they're in good shape.  My buddy is saying the Dolphins are also trying to get rid of Devante Parker. 


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Dolphster on February 21, 2018, 12:45:24 pm
Thanks for the explanation.  I can see where getting a 1st rounder for him would make the franchise tag decision make more sense.  I don't know what they would get for Parker. I wouldn't think there would be a huge market for underachieving former 1st rounders who seemed to to have never tapped their potential.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: fyo on February 22, 2018, 04:08:11 am
The Non-exclusive franchise tag was a no-brainer. There's no way you can just let him become a free agent and if contract negotiations aren't there yet, there are no other choices. As the twitter posts listed above mention, slapping this variant of the franchise tag on him results in a compensation of two first round picks if he's given (and signs) and offer sheet from a different team. The Dolphins also have the option to match offer sheets, but the amount of BS allowed in these deals makes that practically worthless.

What it does do, aside from guarantee a substation compensation if another team grabs him, is it allows the team and the player more time to come to a long term agreement. If that still proves impossible, the team can then try to trade him as with any other player under contract. This would be the most likely option, IMHO, if Miami cannot find common ground with Landry. Two first-round picks for Landry is going to be much more than anyone is willing to offer.

There is a firm deadline of July 15 to come to an agreement. After that, the 1-year franchise contract is set in stone.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Fau Teixeira on February 22, 2018, 08:41:50 am
I don't have an issue with paying him 16 million for 1 year if it comes to that. In the end it isn't my money.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 22, 2018, 11:42:23 am
Non exclusive meaning they're probably hoping someone bites and signs him to a deal, then negotiates the number of picks as compensation.  They drafted him in the second round.  If they can get at least one first rounder out of it, they're in good shape.  My buddy is saying the Dolphins are also trying to get rid of Devante Parker. 

I don't think it works that way.  Three major possibilities:

1. Parker signs a long term deal with Fins.  (Which obviously has at least 16 million in guaranteed money)

2. Parker signs tender one year 16 million deal

3. Another team signs Parker. Fins get two first round picks.

While the Dolphins might be happy with option 3.  That requires a team offering something more attractive to Parker than option #2.  And I doubt any team thinks a slot receiver is worth 16 million and two draft picks. 

There are other variations such as tender being withdrawn, holdout, tag and trade.  But realistically it is either going to be 1 or 2.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Fau Teixeira on February 22, 2018, 12:15:43 pm
don't wanna pick nits .. but it's landry .. not parker


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on February 22, 2018, 12:20:11 pm
I don't see us trading him. We will either sign him or keep the tender. Of course we punish Ajayi by sending him to a Super Bowl contender so what do I really know?


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Tenshot13 on February 22, 2018, 12:40:30 pm
I don't see us trading him. We will either sign him or keep the tender. Of course we punish Ajayi by sending him to a Super Bowl contender so what do I really know?
Super Bowl WINNER.  Let's not forget that they beat the Patriots.  And let's continue to remind Hoodie.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: DaLittle B on February 22, 2018, 01:46:04 pm
As much as it pains me to say this, I can't see him playing another snap as a Dolphin  :'( ...I think Tannenbaum will Eff up a trade him (that we'll greatly regret in the future) probably for an old,probably coming off an injury,player with 1 yr left on his contract....Or Really Eff this up, and rescind the tag in late June, Landry walks,and we get nothing.

We're far too stupid as a front office,So I foresee we'll probably sign Parker to a big deal during training camp,after he starts his great training camp,that everyone will be talking about all the great things we expect from him in the future.

Yep...Pretty Sour on this team,and the front office...I blame my Cubs,going through the rebuild,then getting a taste of winning,to finally win it all. We went through the same B.S. with Jim Hendry,and bringing in all these big name guys,and one player away for several years...Then we got a smart front office....

All the Dolphins Front office does is Fuck up for so many years,and think this 1,or 2 player is going to solve everything Bullshit...All we do is lose (outside of a year here,and year there,which continues the same sorry ass pattern.)...We suck perpetual fucking losers...

Sorry... >:(


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 22, 2018, 02:30:22 pm
don't wanna pick nits .. but it's landry .. not parker

Oops


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on February 22, 2018, 03:49:51 pm
As much as it pains me to say this, I can't see him playing another snap as a Dolphin  :'( ...I think Tannenbaum will Eff up a trade him (that we'll greatly regret in the future) probably for an old,probably coming off an injury,player with 1 yr left on his contract....Or Really Eff this up, and rescind the tag in late June, Landry walks,and we get nothing.

We're far too stupid as a front office,So I foresee we'll probably sign Parker to a big deal during training camp,after he starts his great training camp,that everyone will be talking about all the great things we expect from him in the future.

Yep...Pretty Sour on this team,and the front office...I blame my Cubs,going through the rebuild,then getting a taste of winning,to finally win it all. We went through the same B.S. with Jim Hendry,and bringing in all these big name guys,and one player away for several years...Then we got a smart front office....

All the Dolphins Front office does is Fuck up for so many years,and think this 1,or 2 player is going to solve everything Bullshit...All we do is lose (outside of a year here,and year there,which continues the same sorry ass pattern.)...We suck perpetual fucking losers...

Sorry... >:(
I'm not a Tannenbaum fan either and blame most of our current failings directly on him.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: fyo on February 23, 2018, 03:44:53 am
1. Parker signs a long term deal with Fins.  (Which obviously has at least 16 million in guaranteed money)

2. Parker signs tender one year 16 million deal

3. Another team signs ParkerLandry. Fins get two first round picks.

[snip]
But realistically it is either going to be 1 or 2.

I think a very realistic alternative is that the Dolphins effectively trade him. This would have to be done with Landry's accept and would amount to the Dolphins trading him for less than 2 first round picks. There are a couple of way this could be done, e.g. by Landry signing a contract with the Dolphins contingent on being traded immediately to a specific team.

I stated previously that going by other contracts, fair market value for Landry is around 12-14 million. Landry wants 16, the team is apparently offering around 12. I wouldn't be shocked to see them land at 14, but a one-year deal on the franchise tag wouldn't surprise me either. I do think the latter would end Landry's stay in Miami, though. The front office isn't going to overpay him by 4 million (in their opinion) and then give the player the contract we would have wanted anyway after that. And paying him 20% more by slapping the tag on him again also wouldn't make any sense.

Seeing as how the franchise tag would likely mark the end of Landry's Miami career, the Dolphins would have to seriously consider trading him (for less than 2 first round picks, which is an absurd price no one would possibly be willing to pay).


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: masterfins on February 23, 2018, 02:39:32 pm
I really hope the Dolphins sign him to a long term deal, because it never seems to work out well when teams go the franchise tag route.  Now if some team wants to give us two 1st round picks for him I'd be alright with that.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on February 24, 2018, 08:51:25 am
I voted franchise if he won't accept market value. It gives a year to examine other options if things go sour.

It's gone the way I thought, so I am not surprised.

Landry may be a tempremental slot receiver, but he is our best receiver by such a wide margin it's not funny. Yes I said earlier that unlike the truly elite receivers in the game I cannot remember him being a game changer, but then there's nobody on the current list who is either. Put simply, we can't lose him for a compensation pick. That doesn't leave the Dolphins too many choices.

Landry wanted top dollar, and we could not over-pay again for a long term contract. Transition tag was not a realistic option as explained here:
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article196508269.html

So it's either a case of let him go and bring in someone we thought would be better for the money (and it seems we think there's nobody out there right now to do just that), or go the franchise tag. It gives us the option of either trading him for fair value, sorting out an agreeable contract for both Landry and the Dolphins, or 12 months to find that player via either the draft, trade or free agency that will be a cheaper or better option (that isn't there now).

One other thing to keep in mind is that deep pass completion at the Pro Bowl that may have opened a few eyes. Landry's biggest shortfalls have been getting deep and getting in the end zone. After his ribs were cracked part way through the season it became pretty clear Cutler could not throw the deep ball with any conviction. Bring in a fit Tannehill (or other QB) with a strong arm and who knows, maybe Landry will start becoming a deep threat? With a franchise tag, we have the next year to find it out (unless he is traded of course).


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Tenshot13 on February 26, 2018, 03:37:36 pm
Watercooler talk at work was Miami is seeking two 1st rounders for Landry, said they heard it on ESPN.  I've been in meetings all day so I don't know how true that is.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 26, 2018, 09:41:17 pm
Well, technically, yes: by tagging Landry with the non-exclusive franchise tag, Miami would receive two first-rounders from any team that signs Landry to a contract.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Fau Teixeira on February 27, 2018, 09:55:14 am
i think the speculation among the pundits is that miami is shopping a trade. I think they're very capable of just tagging him to allow time for a long term contract to be negotiated and they'll take the 16mil if they have to


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on February 27, 2018, 10:29:29 am
i think the speculation among the pundits is that miami is shopping a trade. I think they're very capable of just tagging him to allow time for a long term contract to be negotiated and they'll take the 16mil if they have to
Seems unlikely to me.  They can shop him all they want but unless he agrees to it they have no leverage. They are having to overpay him by tagging him so he doesn't care and can hit the free market later


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: DaLittle B on February 27, 2018, 10:54:25 am
Our problem is our Salary cap issues,Tannenbaum wants to go on a spending spree,of course.(I'd go with the Cutting Suh June 1st cut,as his Contract will just get worse from this point forward)

Armando says we're hoping for a3rd,or maybe a low 2nd...or a player...We lost our leverage over Landry to sign a team friendly contract,when we tagged him....(According to most of national writers,when we tagged him so early)
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article202307674.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article202307674.html)

Modified to add...Let's remember  CB.M.Peters with 1 year left on his contract got traded for a 4th rd pick this year and a2nd rd pick next year...Landry,playing on the F.tag wanting a big contract.No Smart GM's are going to give up didly for Landry...


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Dolphster on February 27, 2018, 11:06:30 am
I can't fathom a team signing him if it is going to cost them two 1st rounders.  On the trade side of it, before that article came out, I was thinking similarly that trade value for Landry would probably be a mid to late 2nd rounder.  I want to be optimistic that the Fins have strategically thought this through and will come out smelling like a rose.  But history over the past 10 years or so, make the realist in me think that the Fins are going to screw things up royally. 


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: fyo on February 27, 2018, 11:17:57 am
Landry and the Dolphins aren't that far apart on salary. With appropriate guarantees, I don't see why a deal at 14 mill wouldn't be doable.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: DaLittle B on February 27, 2018, 11:59:12 am
^ I completely agree,except, I'm thinking they low balled the hell out of Landry like $9 million a year...Because we are complete utter Effin morons... :-[


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: phinphan on February 27, 2018, 11:36:31 pm
I have read through all the posts and I am surprised at the sentiment here. The guy still broke records with a QB who I don't think could throw the ball in the air to himself, play calling that is atrocious and that did not change just because we got cutler. Defensive coordinators have to love it when they are coming up against our offensive offense. Ok everybody rush in and look for the running back or receiver to get the ball in the back field. Again not because of Cutler this has been our play calling for years. I have not voted yet but for different reasons, I don't want to see him go anywhere but on the other hand is it fair to keep him in an organization that is trying hard to remain mediocre at best. I hope we bring in somebody else to send in the calls on offense because right now anybody can guess the next play the trick is will it be in the backfield left side or right! Imagine what he could do with a real QB who actually has more than three plays in the playbook that are past the ten yard line!

voted to pay him!


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Pappy13 on February 28, 2018, 12:31:46 am
Our problem is our Salary cap issues,Tannenbaum wants to go on a spending spree,of course.(I'd go with the Cutting Suh June 1st cut,as his Contract will just get worse from this point forward)

Armando says we're hoping for a3rd,or maybe a low 2nd...or a player...We lost our leverage over Landry to sign a team friendly contract,when we tagged him....(According to most of national writers,when we tagged him so early)
That's what writers do isn't it. Speculate. It's PURE speculation, they have NO idea whatsoever what Miami was thinking when they tagged him. It's REAL simple. Tagging him was the right thing to do. They weren't sending a message. They aren't trying to trade him. Now they are going to listen to offers and if someone gives them one they can't refuse then sure they MIGHT trade him, but that's all this is folks. You play the game the way it's setup to be played. You tag him hoping that you will get him to agree to a long term contract that is more cap friendly, but if not you either get him for 1 more year at a salary that isn't too unreasonable or you entertain offers for his services and you take the best offer. That's what you do. That's what you always do. The writers want you to think they know something they don't.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on February 28, 2018, 08:22:11 am
That's what writers do isn't it. Speculate. It's PURE speculation, they have NO idea whatsoever what Miami was thinking when they tagged him. It's REAL simple. Tagging him was the right thing to do. They weren't sending a message. They aren't trying to trade him. Now they are going to listen to offers and if someone gives them one they can't refuse then sure they MIGHT trade him, but that's all this is folks. You play the game the way it's setup to be played. You tag him hoping that you will get him to agree to a long term contract that is more cap friendly, but if not you either get him for 1 more year at a salary that isn't too unreasonable or you entertain offers for his services and you take the best offer. That's what you do. That's what you always do. The writers want you to think they know something they don't.
They have a better idea about what they are thinking than most of us. They have access that we can only dream about to the team including both players and staff. 


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: fyo on March 02, 2018, 04:51:53 am
Dolphins grant Jarvis Landry permission to seek trade

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000918605/article/dolphins-grant-jarvis-landry-permission-to-seek-trade
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22619549/miami-dolphins-give-wr-jarvis-landry-permission-pursue-trade

"Since that permission was granted, at least two teams already have communicated their interest in a potential deal, sources told ESPN's Josina Anderson."

Of course teams are going to be interested. It's all a matter of compensation. Hopefully, what will happen is that Landry finds out that his $16 million a year  request was unrealistic and he can agree with the Dolphins on something a bit lower.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Dolphster on March 02, 2018, 09:23:42 am
Supply and demand.  If the demand for WRs is high enough and the supply of proven WRs is low enough, then $$$$$$.   If the demand for WRs is low enough and the supply of proven WRs is high enough, then $.   


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: DaLittle B on March 02, 2018, 11:43:56 am
Bears have already shown interest in Trading for Landry.
https://twitter.com/pfrumors/status/969592898365939712 (https://twitter.com/pfrumors/status/969592898365939712)

I was shocked to read we did offer 13mil,Landry countered with 15,and the Dolphins refuse to make another offer...Just plain stupidity....


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on March 02, 2018, 11:58:28 am
I just hope we don't take a second rounder of next year from a team that will be picking 64th. We seem to always lose out on any deal Tannenbaum makes. Paying an extra million or two for Landry wouldn't be the worst thing he has done and doubtful it would be worse than whatever trade he works.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Pappy13 on March 03, 2018, 12:14:47 pm
Bears have already shown interest in Trading for Landry.
https://twitter.com/pfrumors/status/969592898365939712 (https://twitter.com/pfrumors/status/969592898365939712)

I was shocked to read we did offer 13mil,Landry countered with 15,and the Dolphins refuse to make another offer...Just plain stupidity....
They are waiting till Landry finds out no one is going to give him a long term contract for 15 a year.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on March 04, 2018, 06:45:36 am
Let me say if he takes less money to go somewhere else I’ll have issue with him. If its for more money elsewhere I cant really complain.  Channing Crowder said the same thing. He can’t be mad at Miami iif all they did was allowed him to see he isn’t worth what he thought he was.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Pappy13 on March 04, 2018, 09:47:41 am
They have a better idea about what they are thinking than most of us. They have access that we can only dream about to the team including both players and staff. 
Apparently not. The Dolphins work the writers to get them to write what they want more often then you think. The writers think they are getting inside information, rather they are getting told exactly what the teams want them told to suit their purpose. All of this was very smart negotiating by Miami. It's time now to sit down with Landry and work out a long term deal for around 14. It may not happen but if it doesn't it will be because Landry wouldn't sign it, not because the Dolphins wouldn't offer it.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22639054/miami-dolphins-wide-receiver-jarvis-landry-informs-team-sign-franchise-tag


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 05, 2018, 10:48:31 am
I would gladly take a late 1st rounder or an early 2nd rounder for Landry, but what's the point with the way we draft?


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: pondwater on March 05, 2018, 01:33:50 pm
Fuck it, let the prima donna little fucker go. His 4 yard receptions and subsequent 15 yard penalties aren't worth what he's asking.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 05, 2018, 03:48:23 pm
Fuck it, let the prima donna little fucker go. His 4 yard receptions and subsequent 15 yard penalties aren't worth what he's asking.
I would normally agree, but he has been nothing but a team player, his only knock being the personal fouls from time to time.  He didn't hold out when most diva WR do, and has never said anything disparaging about the team.  Now it's time for him to get paid, wherever that is.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 06, 2018, 03:40:06 pm
He's a valuable piece to have at an appropriate price or on a rookie contract, can't pay him Top 5 WR money to average 4 yards a catch. Sometimes all you need is 4 and it's good to have a guy to get it for you, but he isn't a Wes Welker in the making. Even with a Brady or Rodgers he won't go for 1,500 yards.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 06, 2018, 04:43:03 pm
He's a valuable piece to have at an appropriate price or on a rookie contract, can't pay him Top 5 WR money to average 4 yards a catch. Sometimes all you need is 4 and it's good to have a guy to get it for you, but he isn't a Wes Welker in the making. Even with a Brady or Rodgers he won't go for 1,500 yards.
I think he's way better than Welker ever was.  Put Landry on Green Bay or New England and see what happens.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: pondwater on March 06, 2018, 05:19:01 pm
I think he's way better than Welker ever was.  Put Landry on Green Bay or New England and see what happens.
5 yard completions with 15 yard penalties? LMAO....


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Dolphster on March 07, 2018, 09:48:52 am
I don't blame him for the 5 yard receptions.  He doesn't call the plays.  Dude just runs the routes that he is told to run. 


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 07, 2018, 10:42:11 am
5 yard completions with 15 yard penalties? LMAO....
Dude, he had 5 penalties all year, and only 2 were 15 yarders.  Perception is not reality.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/player/j-landry-miami-dolphins?year=2017 (http://www.nflpenalties.com/player/j-landry-miami-dolphins?year=2017)


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on March 07, 2018, 11:13:43 am
I don't blame him for the 5 yard receptions.  He doesn't call the plays.  Dude just runs the routes that he is told to run. 
I agree. They have tried to spread him out but didn't he didn't have the same success. Kenny Stills is much better than he is outside of the slot.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: pondwater on March 07, 2018, 01:02:33 pm
Dude, he had 5 penalties all year, and only 2 were 15 yarders.  Perception is not reality.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/player/j-landry-miami-dolphins?year=2017 (http://www.nflpenalties.com/player/j-landry-miami-dolphins?year=2017)
Dude, he ain't worth $16M a year. $8-$9M, maybe $10M. Anything more and it would be better spent elsewhere. 


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 07, 2018, 01:07:16 pm
Dude, he ain't worth $16M a year. $8-$9M, maybe $10M. Anything more and it would be better spent elsewhere. 
I don't disagree with that, just the penalty part.  I don't want to pay him 16 mil, but not terribly upset if they do.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: pondwater on March 07, 2018, 01:18:11 pm
I don't disagree with that, just the penalty part.  I don't want to pay him 16 mil, but not terribly upset if they do.
Just a joke about the penalties. But they were just frustrating as fuck. I think dude has some attitude issues. He ain't as good as he thinks he is in my opinion.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Tenshot13 on March 07, 2018, 01:44:05 pm
Just a joke about the penalties. But they were just frustrating as fuck. I think dude has some attitude issues. He ain't as good as he thinks he is in my opinion.
To your point, there were a bunch of times I was surprised he didn't get called for a penalty for taunting and the like.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Spider-Dan on March 07, 2018, 08:01:12 pm
Dude, he had 5 penalties all year, and only 2 were 15 yarders.  Perception is not reality.

http://www.nflpenalties.com/player/j-landry-miami-dolphins?year=2017 (http://www.nflpenalties.com/player/j-landry-miami-dolphins?year=2017)

Sounds like the ugly stepsister to the old "LeBron gets many triple-doubles, but a lot of them are counting turnovers" nonsense.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: Alwaysdullfan on March 08, 2018, 03:15:18 am
Franchise tag him if he doesn't accept a fair offer.

Can a team still trade a player that is under franchise tag? And since Miami waited to the last minute now he can also just walk away right? And we don't get crap. Unless there is a team that really wants him and offers Miami a trade, with Landry agreeing to restructure.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: CF DolFan on March 08, 2018, 09:31:14 am
Can a team still trade a player that is under franchise tag? And since Miami waited to the last minute now he can also just walk away right? And we don't get crap. Unless there is a team that really wants him and offers Miami a trade, with Landry agreeing to restructure.
No team wants him under the tag as he can leave next year. Basically Landry will have to agree to a long term contract with another team in order for them to take him ... so Landry is in still in control as far as a trade goes. 


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on March 08, 2018, 04:52:21 pm
At this point with Sammy Watkins a free agent, the market for Wideouts is pretty decent. So, why break the bank for a slot receiver AND give up draft compensation?

Unless we settle for a 4th rounder AND Landry comes to his senses and takes $10 Million annually, he will be a Dolphin next season and we won't make the franchise tag mistake again.

Even though we appear to do that every year.


Title: Re: Jarvis Landry Contract
Post by: masterfins on March 08, 2018, 05:55:26 pm
I read an AP report today that Landry has signed the franchise tag tender, so he will either be in Miami making $16M next year, or Miami could trade him next week when the league year starts.  I find it unlikely that another team is so desperate for a WR to pay him the kind of money he wants (which is like $14M/year guaranteed for 3 years).  I believe Miami has offered $12M per year, which is very reasonable IMO.

There really seems to have been a shift in the NFL with regards to paying RB's & WR's in the last several years.  With the way rookie contracts work many teams seem to think these players can be easily, and cheaply, replaced via the draft; and are placing more emphasis on paying for solid OL & DL.